Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Emrys

(8,992 posts)
6. Russian Telegram bloggers were the first to use that framing, so yes, it's not helpful
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:01 PM
Jun 2025
Russia’s ‘Pearl Harbor’ How pro-war Telegram channels are reacting to Ukraine’s drone attack on Russian air bases

Over the weekend, Ukraine’s Security Service conducted a massive, sophisticated drone attack targeting airfields in five regions of Russia. According to the agency, “Operation Spiderweb” destroyed 41 aircraft (though these numbers haven’t been independently confirmed). Russia’s pro-war commentators on Telegram were universally unhappy about the attack but divided over what it means and who’s to blame. Meduza shares a selection of opinions from some of Telegram’s more odious corners.

On whether this was ‘Russia’s Pearl Harbor’

Z-blogger Roman Alekhin

This is Russia’s Pearl Harbor. Let’s hope the response is the same as America’s response to the attack on Pearl Harbor — or even tougher.

Oleg Tsaryov, former Donbas separatist leader (wanted in Ukraine)

For some reason, a lot of people think we’re bound to hit back hard now — after all, our strategic aviation has taken a serious blow. They say this is our Russian “Pearl Harbor,” and that we’ll respond just as forcefully as the U.S. did back then.

But I don’t see it that way. Our Black Sea Fleet has already suffered massive damage — it doesn’t get much worse than that. And what happened then? Did we strike back then?

Yevgeny Popov, State Duma deputy and TV propagandist

“Pearl Harbor” — what are you talking about? Calm down. From the video, it looks like three or four aircraft. It’s not even clear how many were operational and how many were decoys. Yes, it’s a lot. Yes, it’s unpleasant. Yes, those responsible should be held accountable. But this isn’t Pearl Harbor. We should respond by giving the enemy their own Pearl Harbor.


And an interesting sidelight on one of the possible consequences:

Platon Mamatov, Russian soldier and blogger

Forget about the strategic missile carriers. We’ll win the war anyway. But how are we and our colleagues supposed to keep transporting drones by car? Before, we’d spend hours explaining things to the police or military police. Now? I don’t even want to think about it. Sure, we’ll get the drones to the mission. But getting them to a repair shop or training ground… no idea.


https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/06/02/russia-s-pearl-harbor

Recommendations

2 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

So right. Very excellent point. Hopefully more progressive media will pick up on that. Amaryllis Jun 2025 #1
That is incredibly lazy journalism canetoad Jun 2025 #2
I thought it was a genocide JoseBalow Jun 2025 #3
You are correct. As mentioned above, it's lazy journalism. Liberal In Texas Jun 2025 #4
The true problem happened long ago DENVERPOPS Jun 2025 #9
Seems more like FAFO to me KentuckyWoman Jun 2025 #5
Russian Telegram bloggers were the first to use that framing, so yes, it's not helpful Emrys Jun 2025 #6
That guy hoping that russia's response will be the same as America's Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #27
Don't disagree, but another comment stumpysbear Jun 2025 #7
I went back and forth Du916 Jun 2025 #15
That's how I learned to refer to it Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #24
I believe it was shortly after the invasion BidenRocks Jun 2025 #18
i grew up hearing people say "the" ukraine; parents, school, etc orleans Jun 2025 #21
Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian? DFW Jun 2025 #30
I nominate this post and analysis BaronChocula Jun 2025 #8
The only similarity is At Dawn They Slept. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2025 #10
Absolutely. It's a war. Sneaky things are fair play in war. Melon Jun 2025 #11
It was much more a Midway type event. The embattled and out numbered U.S. fleet flashman13 Jun 2025 #12
Conclusion: dchill Jun 2025 #13
And freely regurgitates pro russian narratives. Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #25
Bullies... Godot51 Jun 2025 #14
And the scale is nowhere near Pearl Harbor at all. WarGamer Jun 2025 #16
Russian bloggers seem to be pushing it Kaleva Jun 2025 #28
Not surprising DFW Jun 2025 #31
I knew you'd be mad about it and try to diminish what was a wildly successful operation. BannonsLiver Jun 2025 #34
not mad at all... WarGamer Jun 2025 #35
Whatever you want to call it, Ukraine's action sent dobleremolque Jun 2025 #17
There is no Golden Dome! BidenRocks Jun 2025 #22
The reason for the analogy that I have heard is that... reACTIONary Jun 2025 #19
That makes sense True Dough Jun 2025 #33
I've only seen it referred to that way in a tweet Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #20
That wasn't the point! Grins Jun 2025 #23
your reasoning is sound Skittles Jun 2025 #26
Not a Pearl Harbor moment at all. It was a Scapa Flow moment, for those versed in naval history. pecosbob Jun 2025 #29
Whatever the true number of aircraft destroyed DFW Jun 2025 #32
I gotta say...I don't care and will be trashing this thread in a moment. n/t elocs Jun 2025 #36
I think the comparison is in regards to a new, relatively untried tactic Torchlight Jun 2025 #37
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Ukraine's attack on R...»Reply #6