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Ol Janx Spirit

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67. Democrats aren't good liars; Republicans are. And they have honed this skill--especially regarding the economy--for...
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 09:42 AM
Jun 2025

...at least the last 45 years. Unfortunately, it works.

Carville's snowclone about the economy in 1992 was not wrong: most elections hinge on the economy. And if we ask ourselves why Republicans are almost always seen as being better for the economy in polling, we can only come to one conclusion: people--in general--either believe or really want to believe their lies. And this--probably more than any other factor--has driven both the national debt and income inequality up over the last half-century.

But it works. And it works for a good reason: everyone has to be concerned with their own economic reality above almost anything else. This is a powerful force in politics. And the threat of taxation is the biggest reason for this. Even for programs that you really want to see implemented, raise your hand if you want your personal taxes to go up? Raise your hand if you can even afford for your personal taxes to go up?

Republicans say, cutting taxes will grow the economy. That's a simple--albeit untrue--statement*. Democrats can't say, raising taxes will grow the economy--even though that statement is more true for a host of reasons--and still win elections.

Republicans have carefully honed this lie. It goes so far as to even make people believe that somehow their employer's taxes directly affect their own economic security, so even raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations will be a net-negative for them. Throw in an unhealthy dose of bashing Democrats as wanting to just throw your tax dollars at government programs full of "waste, fraud and abuse"--another really effective lie that is easy to believe--and you've got a simple message that apparently resonates.

This has worked. Democrats talk about big ideas for government programs that poll very well. Who doesn't want everyone to have affordable healthcare? But these plans are not simple, and lying about them really isn't an option for Democrats. The American people's eyes glaze over with dollar signs as details emerge and pros and cons are debated and the Republicans whisper in their ear, "you can have everything you want--and you don't have to pay for it."

Americans may know better, but that doesn't ease the worry about their personal economy. What if my taxes do go up to provide affordable healthcare to everyone even though I have pretty good healthcare from my job? What if my taxes do go up to help people I don't know feed their kids--or to pay for Boomers' Social Security? Where will I be? These are real questions for most people.

Both unfortunately and fortunately for Democrats: lying isn't really in their DNA like it is for Republicans--for a host of reasons. They need another strategy that focuses on the economic success of Americans and not on the government programs that will help drive that success. It is akin to the conundrum parents face at dinnertime: how do you get your kid to eat healthy food without them knowing it is healthy? Sometimes you have to sneak it in with something they actually want to eat--because in the long run you know it is going to be better for them.

The one saving grace for Democrats over the last half-century is the fact that Republican policies are really bad for the economy--even if Americans don't believe it. Since Regan, my personal question has always been: how will the Republicans screw up the economy this time? And they always do--leaving the next Democrat to scramble to clean it up and derail their own agenda for years in the process.

*If tax cuts for the wealthy and large corporations really grew the economy they would be inflationary. This never happens after one of these big tax cuts. Government spending does stimulate the economy, and we can see from the pandemic-era spending that it is inflationary.

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Theory vs practice, probably. RockRaven Jun 2025 #1
??? tintinvotes Jun 2025 #2
Problem is I don't think most voters realize this SomedayKindaLove Jun 2025 #59
Democratic policies always poll well iemanja Jun 2025 #3
Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2025 #4
fairly succinct - and pretty darned accurate stopdiggin Jun 2025 #7
Who cares about being popular ? Winning elections is more important JI7 Jun 2025 #5
Elections Are Popularity Contests TearsOfDaClowned Jun 2025 #13
Not always. Mitch McConnell is not popular but keeps winning JI7 Jun 2025 #20
He's still more popular than the alternative. Self Esteem Jun 2025 #61
People also are against transgender people, oppose diversity programs JI7 Jun 2025 #6
Popularity is independent of correctness, rectitude & honesty TearsOfDaClowned Jun 2025 #8
Because we're not viewed as fighters. mzmolly Jun 2025 #9
Promising to Govern in Prose, Forgetting the Poetry of Political Struggle TearsOfDaClowned Jun 2025 #11
We need to message more like a high school football hero, Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #17
Is that why we aren't popular with Republicans? Kaleva Jun 2025 #39
Of course, we have a favorable opinion mzmolly Jun 2025 #51
re: fighting TnDem Jun 2025 #69
Since LBJ... czarjak Jun 2025 #10
Polls say that because a lot of Democrats are dissatisfied with Democratic politicians right now, Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #12
What percentage is a lot? Kaleva Jun 2025 #41
If Trump can beat a good Dem candidate mzmolly Jun 2025 #52
That doesn't answer my question Kaleva Jun 2025 #54
'A lot' is enough for Trump mzmolly Jun 2025 #56
Biden's approval rating was rather low Kaleva Jun 2025 #70
Here's a link to Jeffries talking about it BootinUp Jun 2025 #14
They May Trust the Hall Monitor But They Hate Him! TearsOfDaClowned Jun 2025 #16
Phew! mzmolly Jun 2025 #63
Because of propaganda. Democrats have no media to counter the right wing noise machine that has been at it NewHendoLib Jun 2025 #15
This. progressoid Jun 2025 #19
And it includes "subtle" propaganda like conspiracies, special words, labels, talking points, etc. thought crime Jun 2025 #33
Spot on. One of their techniques is taxi Jun 2025 #34
Because that's not the message oldmanlynn Jun 2025 #18
Possibly because most of us are not Demorats. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2025 #21
Democrats are perceived negatively a lot. Unjustly so, considering what we have delivered. summer_in_TX Jun 2025 #22
Republicans especially have a dim view of Democrats Kaleva Jun 2025 #47
Their media is chock-full of negative disinformation about Dems. summer_in_TX Jun 2025 #73
Most of those policies SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #23
Depends how you frame your questions. BurnDoubt Jun 2025 #24
From Wikipedia: markodochartaigh Jun 2025 #25
FOX News and about 1,500 hate radio stations... Woodycall Jun 2025 #26
It's because most Democratic politicians won't fight for Democratic values synni Jun 2025 #27
The OP only mentioned domestic issues Wanderlust988 Jun 2025 #28
so fucking idiots like Dubya and Trump are fine to be "seen" as commanders Skittles Jun 2025 #31
Yes, it's human psychology. "It's better to be strong and wrong, than weak and right" Wanderlust988 Jun 2025 #53
Bush lied us into the Iraq War and allowed Bin Laden to escape to Pakistan Mysterian Jun 2025 #64
it is SEXISM and MISOGYNY Skittles Jun 2025 #71
I hear you but I think we really need that tiny person with the squeaky voice thought crime Jun 2025 #35
Intellect versus Emotion PikaBlue Jun 2025 #29
repukes are treated like white men Skittles Jun 2025 #30
Culture JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #32
Not popular because people are taught to hate "Demorats." Easy to understand. betsuni Jun 2025 #36
Correct Cosmocat Jun 2025 #38
This x 1000....from the time they can understand speech they hear that Democrats are evil. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2025 #62
None of that matters anymore Cosmocat Jun 2025 #37
They are saying that because the "leaders" of the Democratic Party helpisontheway Jun 2025 #40
IMO the most accurate comment on this thread. nt doc03 Jun 2025 #42
80% of Dems have a favorable view of the Party Kaleva Jun 2025 #45
A flaw that we Democrats have as a party is that we believe people think as we do, elocs Jun 2025 #43
It can be argued that Littlered Jun 2025 #44
Quite right k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #49
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There are a lot of people who are struggling to make ends meet. It has been that way for a while. everyonematters Jun 2025 #48
Democratic Leadership is emulating Merrick Garland. LuvLoogie Jun 2025 #50
"Demorats"? Kingofalldems Jun 2025 #55
We are leaderless and we are not fighting back pinkstarburst Jun 2025 #58
Well Abstractartist Jun 2025 #60
Yes, as Democrat we just can't understand why others don't fall all over themselves to support our candidates. n/t elocs Jun 2025 #65
Democrats aren't good liars; Republicans are. And they have honed this skill--especially regarding the economy--for... Ol Janx Spirit Jun 2025 #67
No real Leader out there. Setting the Agenda Thrill Jun 2025 #68
Today's Democratic Party is a lot more "neocon" and a lot less progressive. WarGamer Jun 2025 #72
Reasons gd1 Jun 2025 #74
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