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In reply to the discussion: I crisscrossed America to talk to people whose views I disagreed with. I now have one certainty [View all]GoneOffShore
(17,979 posts)46. Interesting but ultimately the piece shows that Rebecca Solnit is correct.
When Trump won the 2016 electionwhile losing the popular votethe New York Times seemed obsessed with running features about what Trump voters were feeling and thinking. These pieces treated them as both an exotic species and people it was our job to understand, understand being that word that means both to comprehend and to grant some sort of indulgence to. Now that Trump has lost the 2020 election, the Los Angeles Times has given their editorial page over to letters from Trump voters, who had exactly the sort of predictable things to say we have been hearing for far more than four years, thanks to the New York Times and what came to seem like about 11,000 other news outlets hanging on the every word of every white supremacist they could convince to go on the record.
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The middle ground is not halfway between Nazis and antiracists. The reasonable position is not a compromise between rapists and feminists, slaveowners and abolitionists, Natives and General Crook. The truth is not midway between the liar and the truth-teller. That has to be a factor in all those calls for reaching out and unity. The murderer and his intended victim don't have to agree on what's right. The people who were harmed don't have to reach out to those who did the harming. The people who told the truth don't need to make liars feel better about themselves or what they said. Those who were targeted by this war don't have to do all the peacemaking. Being gracious, issuing invitations -- sure for those who are up to it and see ways to do it constructively -- but not compromising or normalizing hate and discrimination and destruction. If reaching out and finding unity is good, the haters and liars can go find some olive branches and apologies and do the work to leave their will to destroy the rest of us behind.
Then it begins. The party of hate never had a mandate; they lost the popular vote last time and this time; they may think of themselves as the real Americans and the gatekeepers but we don't have to, and we don't have to enter their gates or play by their rules. We don't have to hate them either, but we don't have to protect them from the consequences of their choices or sell out our principles for their comfort. When you stand on the ground of truth and justice, let others find their way to you. If you stand firm, many will in the end. Not everyone will; that does not change what truth and justice are.
~~ Rebecca Solnit - https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-on-not-meeting-nazis-halfway/
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The middle ground is not halfway between Nazis and antiracists. The reasonable position is not a compromise between rapists and feminists, slaveowners and abolitionists, Natives and General Crook. The truth is not midway between the liar and the truth-teller. That has to be a factor in all those calls for reaching out and unity. The murderer and his intended victim don't have to agree on what's right. The people who were harmed don't have to reach out to those who did the harming. The people who told the truth don't need to make liars feel better about themselves or what they said. Those who were targeted by this war don't have to do all the peacemaking. Being gracious, issuing invitations -- sure for those who are up to it and see ways to do it constructively -- but not compromising or normalizing hate and discrimination and destruction. If reaching out and finding unity is good, the haters and liars can go find some olive branches and apologies and do the work to leave their will to destroy the rest of us behind.
Then it begins. The party of hate never had a mandate; they lost the popular vote last time and this time; they may think of themselves as the real Americans and the gatekeepers but we don't have to, and we don't have to enter their gates or play by their rules. We don't have to hate them either, but we don't have to protect them from the consequences of their choices or sell out our principles for their comfort. When you stand on the ground of truth and justice, let others find their way to you. If you stand firm, many will in the end. Not everyone will; that does not change what truth and justice are.
~~ Rebecca Solnit - https://lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-on-not-meeting-nazis-halfway/
I'm not going to meet these feckwits halfway or even a quarter.
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I crisscrossed America to talk to people whose views I disagreed with. I now have one certainty [View all]
erronis
Jun 2025
OP
Was just today wanting to know what an anthropologist thinks, thanks very much for posting.
betsuni
Jun 2025
#2
Great read, very depressing. These "views" have been created by a few to divide the many.
sop
Jun 2025
#3
The wealthiest "neighborhood" in Miami is Fisher Island, known for its extremely high median home sale prices, over $5M.
sop
Jun 2025
#8
Thanks for the link to his earlier article - look forward to reading. Agree that we all need one another
erronis
Jun 2025
#9
About those full-body, white shieds...just paint the cross red and you're very close to those of the Crusades of old...
brush
Jun 2025
#10
I'd love to hear some reichwing fucker's account of "trying to understand the other side."
Orrex
Jun 2025
#12
There is only one thing that continued communication with the worst elements of the other side will bring.
Efilroft Sul
Jun 2025
#39
Divide and Conquer. Though it seems odd that the "privileged" class choose to jail themselves.
usonian
Jun 2025
#16
I had earlier found this one, but someone changed Mister Pennybags to his drugged out son Elonicus.
usonian
Jun 2025
#25
I have seen this kind of fear @ a relative's house in N. Central Virginia.... between Mt. Jackson & Woodstock
Botany
Jun 2025
#40
Interesting but ultimately the piece shows that Rebecca Solnit is correct.
GoneOffShore
Jun 2025
#46