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Crunchy Frog

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29. The Soviet Union was completely gone by then.
Tue Apr 29, 2025, 01:04 AM
Apr 2025

The deal happened under Yeltsin while Putin was still a nobody in russian politics.

They were pushed very, VERY hard to give up their nukes by the Clinton administration, who apparently believed that non-proliferation was the key to global peace and stability.

Ukraine was reluctant because they always understood that resurgent russian aggression and imperialism was a serious risk, but they were pretty much strongarmed into it.

That's why the Budapest Memorandum was signed, and the US made lots of promises to protect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, along with the UK. Russia also signed and promised never to invade or violate Ukraine's sovereignty.

Our country owes Ukraine far, far more than what we've ever given them. They've pretty much been let down by every US administration since they gained their independence.

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Russia has always lied and threatened and bluffed...go for it Pooti, you and your S*** Hole country... wcmagumba Apr 2025 #1
I would personally love to see several thousand troops from various NATO countries Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #2
Trump would support Russia over Europe iemanja Apr 2025 #3
Of course he would. notinkansas Apr 2025 #6
US citizens do not control the military. iemanja Apr 2025 #7
Yes D_Master81 Apr 2025 #11
Pakistan also made a nuclear threat to India. roamer65 Apr 2025 #4
It seems to be the in thing right now. Glad that Trump has made the world so much safer. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #12
'Unfriendly actions' SheltieLover Apr 2025 #5
Part of you wishes that would happen, so they can be wiped off the face of the Earth? To do that, how many would die? Doodley Apr 2025 #8
I know it's not rational or nice, but I can't help having those kinds of feelings, so yes, Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #13
I wonder if the Russians would consider an armed attempt to take over their country to be an "unfriendly action." DFW Apr 2025 #9
Maybe the best course is to give Ukraine back the nukes they had & gave up to make Russia less 'fearful' of them Attilatheblond Apr 2025 #26
Putin is not a total idiot. DFW Apr 2025 #28
The Soviet Union was completely gone by then. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #29
The Soviet Union was just the Russian Empire by another name DFW Apr 2025 #30
Of course I agree that the USSR was simply a new iteration of the russian empire, but Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #31
They may call it WW3 Tickle Apr 2025 #10
The unfortunate lesson is that Ukraine should never have given up its nukes SamuelTheThird Apr 2025 #14
Your statement at the end is one of the most ill-conceived I have read here since I joined DU 7 years ago. It's madness: Celerity Apr 2025 #15
It's a fantasy, not an actual wish or agenda. It's not about wanting Europe destroyed, Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #16
You said 'Honestly, a part of me wishes'. That's absolutely fucked up. It is also delusional as you seem to think the US Celerity Apr 2025 #18
Yeah, fantasies are kind of delusional by definition. I see plenty of nasty fantasies expressed here, including Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #19
If this attitude catches on here & starts to be regularly expressed on this board, I'm getting the fuck off of DU. Celerity Apr 2025 #17
I'm sorry I enraged you so much. The hate was intended to be directed towards russia and not Europe. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #20
Please don't condescend to me. Celerity Apr 2025 #21
I hate weed too, though lots of people on here seem to really like it. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #22
Wow, you guys sure went at it. EndlessWire Apr 2025 #23
I don't know... fujiyamasan Apr 2025 #24
Oh, FFS. EndlessWire Apr 2025 #25
Thank you. I think you articulated my position better than I could. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #27
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