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In reply to the discussion: Ending birthright citizenship would make almost EVERY ONE OF US an illegal alien. [View all]DBoon
(23,395 posts)54. Trump has already (in his first term) stripped some Texas Latinos of their passports
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/30/17800410/trump-passport-birth-certificate-hispanic-denial-citizens
My bolding.
Maybe revoking passports isn't exactly the same as revoking citizenship, but being denied the right to travel internationally makes people's lives difficult, especially when they have no recourse.
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Even after the settlement, rejections of midwife-issued birth certificates continued. In 2012, CNN wrote an article about the phenomenon; in 2014, NPR program Morning Edition ran a segment. Both articles quote Jaime Diez, a lawyer also quoted heavily in the Washington Post piece. They also include accounts of people having their passports taken from them as they tried to enter the US, being harassed by Border Patrol agents, and being forced to agree to their own deportation.
Whats changed under Trump appears to be mostly the scope of the denials: according to the attorneys the Post spoke to, at least, theres been a surge in new denials, as well as of people being actually put into deportation proceedings (something that Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials can choose to do when a passport is denied for absence of evidence of US birth, but dont have to do).
Additionally, the government appears to have expanded its suspicions not just to birth certificates signed by midwives, but those signed by longtime South Texas obstetrician Jorge Treviño who delivered thousands of babies, often in home births, before his death in 2015. (One lawyer told the Post that the government has an affidavit from an anonymous Mexican doctor alleging that Treviño falsified a birth certificate; Treviño, being dead, cant answer the allegations.)
But perhaps most importantly, this is happening under President Donald Trump, who hasnt exactly built up a record of goodwill among immigrants, US-born Latinos, or white liberals. And so the report has raised concerns not only about the harassment facing the particular passport applicants in South Texas, but about how broadly the Trump administration could challenge the citizenship and voting rights of other groups as well.
My bolding.
Maybe revoking passports isn't exactly the same as revoking citizenship, but being denied the right to travel internationally makes people's lives difficult, especially when they have no recourse.
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Ending birthright citizenship would make almost EVERY ONE OF US an illegal alien. [View all]
Scrivener7
Jan 21
OP
You literally have objective quality evidence if you have a birth certificate
NutmegYankee
Jan 21
#22
The kind of "sort of" that results in women dying and families being tormented and separated.
Scrivener7
Jan 23
#49
I'm not sure you're following what I'm trying to say, sorry if I'm being unclear.
AZJonnie
Jan 22
#41
It really doesn't take much cleverness to reckon that the courts may not decide the matter instantly
AZJonnie
Jan 22
#47
Not really at peace, we have been bombing places in the Middle East for Israel
questionseverything
Jan 21
#31
It will likely apply to people born next week and people born today. I have to read the order again.
LeftInTX
Jan 21
#21
He would need to write another EO for it to change to another date. That is the specific wording from the order.
LeftInTX
Jan 21
#35
Okay but that's not the outcome they're working for, nor the one they will effect
WhiskeyGrinder
Jan 21
#27
I suspect your comment reflects a belief I am attempting to co-opt the disaster that's about to befall
Scrivener7
Jan 22
#46
I don't believe so. Such a thing did not exist before the Revolution, and it wasn't a thing until it suited the FF.
mucholderthandirt
Jan 22
#45