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Frank D. Lincoln

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6. Our democracy is gone for good this time. Here's why.

Sat Jan 25, 2025, 12:45 PM

Jan 25

I'll preface my remarks by stating that this is my OPINION and that I hope you'll turn out to be right and that I'll turn out to be wrong. No one can predict the future with certainty.

Here are the reasons that I think our democracy is gone for good this time:

Trump moves ever-closer to becoming a full-fledged fascist dictator with absolute unchecked power and Republicans have a lock on all three branches of the federal government.

Project 2025 is being shoved down our throats at break-neck speed.

Trump is busy systematically dismantling our federal agencies, hollowing out the federal government, and engaging in mass firings across the federal government.

The entire federal government, including the U.S. military, will be filled with Trump loyalists.

Pete Hegseth will be in charge of the pentagon and will use the military to do anything Trump wants, legal or illegal, constitutional or unconstitutional.

Trump has presidential immunity.

Trump is backed by Elon Musk, the richest person on the planet.

America is now a satellite country of Putin's.

Trump might end up finding some pretext to declare martial law.

Trump might seek and get a third presidential term; future elections might be fixed.

The lower and middle class are about to feel the full weight of the American oligarchy.

The global oligarchs are in the process of toppling democracies worldwide.

We're in the midst of the New World Order that president George H.W. Bush spoke of decades ago.

Trump will probably get around to withdrawing from NATO.

We might be on the road to World War III and global thermonuclear war.

Those are just for starters.

We won't be coming back from this. That's my prediction. I could be wrong. I HOPE that I'm wrong. But I seriously doubt it.

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Before we go overboard on "our democracy is gone" [View all] Southern_gent Jan 25 OP

Very well indeed....but which one of those gents were a convicted felon... MiHale Jan 25 #1

This! Dem4life1234 Jan 25 #12

Which one led an insurrection and tried to overthrow the government? Jit423 Jan 25 #80

We're supposed to get some consolation from that? choie Jan 25 #2

Exactly. Pardon ME, but I'm not B.See Jan 25 #75

Granted, the Civil War, the Great Depression, WWII, but I did not experience those things as I was not yet alive. surfered Jan 25 #3

Should we Southern_gent Jan 25 #61

Not at all. But my interpretation of the original post is that we survived all these terrible things surfered Jan 25 #65

Who said anything like that? n/t Lulu KC Jan 25 #78

That is outrageous Cirsium Jan 26 #120

And there are nothing like those things happening today (yet). Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #91

Those presidents did not have social media or biased and corrupt news outlets to contend with. nt in2herbs Jan 25 #4

WTF are you going on about? You are comparing those to what is happening today? LizBeth Jan 25 #5

Why can't we give a thumb's down or something to take away a Rec? n/t elocs Jan 25 #8

We use to. lol LizBeth Jan 25 #10

For about 5 minutes I think. Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #93

There used to be...a while back MiHale Jan 25 #19

I'd donate a lot to DU if there were a downvote button. Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #92

Really Southern_gent Jan 25 #15

So now you resort to this. I say something and you come back arguing something I never said LizBeth Jan 25 #21

it's a pattern Skittles Jan 25 #79

The thing is you didn't give enough information to explain the argument EdmondDantes_ Jan 26 #104

Just be your confused self. I also do not waste my time going one by one with rwers either. LizBeth Jan 26 #111

But, but, but Cirsium Jan 26 #121

THANK YOU Skittles Jan 25 #32

100% JCMach1 Jan 26 #107

Our democracy is gone for good this time. Here's why. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 25 #6

I agree with you. I hope we are both wrong. yellow dahlia Jan 25 #27

Unfortunately, I'm of the same opinion. It may be all lost by summer with... Bread and Circuses Jan 25 #30

Martial Law intelpug Jan 26 #88

That's a false equivalency between the two sides though. Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #95

Martial Law intelpug Jan 26 #128

I agree. What's happening right now is unprecedented in American history. Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #94

Ah, another post from a June, 2024 poster. Always enlightening. Bot I kid. NoRethugFriends Jan 25 #7

All of whose posts have been made in the last 90 days. Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #96

June, 2024 is the dead giveaway NoRethugFriends Jan 26 #97

Russians do you think? Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #100

there are enough bad actors around these days NoRethugFriends Jan 26 #105

ALL pre-nuke President's lame54 Jan 25 #9

And pre AI hyper-powered (and only getting worse and more powerful) social media and the internet in general. Celerity Jan 25 #47

Thank you TommyT139 Jan 26 #101

I envy you, sir. OldBaldy1701E Jan 25 #11

Its not hope Southern_gent Jan 25 #16

Except even with those atrocities and outrages choie Jan 25 #26

How do you know that? Southern_gent Jan 25 #83

By their actions and their writings. choie Jan 26 #106

"There is no sadder thing than a young pessimist except an old optimist." Mark Twain Ping Tung Jan 25 #13

Joined the board on the day Biden dropped out... Prairie Gates Jan 25 #14

So the amount Southern_gent Jan 25 #17

Post doesn't mention length of time at all Prairie Gates Jan 25 #20

just more poor reasoning Skittles Jan 25 #42

ELITE!!! Skittles Jan 25 #40

No Cirsium Jan 26 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 25 #18

The con artist is literally re-enacting this all in 2025 Quiet Em Jan 25 #22

Oh please. Lunabell Jan 25 #23

Because longevity Southern_gent Jan 25 #25

Not what I meant. Lunabell Jan 25 #48

What did you mean? nt Southern_gent Jan 25 #57

I don't need to say anything. Lunabell Jan 25 #59

I don't think any of those remotely close to rising to this level standingtall Jan 25 #24

So the civil war Southern_gent Jan 25 #31

None of those Presidents listed engaged in an insurrection standingtall Jan 25 #36

Idiotic Cirsium Jan 26 #125

American citizens (!) of Japanese descent were sent to the internment camps - that was far worse than deportation Midwestern Democrat Jan 25 #44

None were making billions on the office or stuffing cabinet with madmen delisen Jan 25 #28

Look at Andrew Jackson's Southern_gent Jan 25 #35

Yeah, well the orange crook is very fond of Andrew Jackson who was also a piece of shit. Dave Bowman Jan 25 #76

It's much different now. He entire media, corporations, senate ans house are controlled by MAGA Bread and Circuses Jan 25 #29

Really now? Southern_gent Jan 25 #37

LOL Skittles Jan 25 #33

No excuses Southern_gent Jan 25 #38

sure, bro Skittles Jan 25 #39

Im concerned but not surprised Southern_gent Jan 25 #49

yeah we are well aware of TROUBLES Skittles Jan 25 #68

What is an Prairie Gates Jan 25 #45

According to my job description Southern_gent Jan 25 #50

Oh, so it's like an adjunct or contingent faculty rank Prairie Gates Jan 25 #55

No Southern_gent Jan 25 #56

Why not? Prairie Gates Jan 25 #60

An adjunct Southern_gent Jan 25 #62

I'm asking you why you don't teach graduate courses Prairie Gates Jan 25 #66

You got the Lincoln slur wrong Cirsium Jan 25 #46

Im glad you brought that up. Southern_gent Jan 25 #63

Vallandigham? Cirsium Jan 25 #69

Lincoln Southern_gent Jan 25 #72

The man without a country Cirsium Jan 26 #99

Yes, you would think Cirsium Jan 26 #126

You're right! maxrandb Jan 25 #34

Oh, right Cirsium Jan 25 #41

Did any of them set things up edhopper Jan 25 #43

How about US Grant Southern_gent Jan 25 #53

We are talking about wholesale theft edhopper Jan 25 #67

Unbelievable Cirsium Jan 25 #70

What did I say that is Southern_gent Jan 25 #71

What argument? Cirsium Jan 26 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 26 #108

Keep dancin" Cirsium Jan 26 #113

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 26 #114

Don't lecture me Cirsium Jan 26 #115

The asshole has left the building. Scrivener7 Jan 26 #118

The Confederate revisionism Cirsium Jan 26 #119

And he was full of it every time I saw him post. Scrivener7 Jan 26 #122

Oh, please Cirsium Jan 26 #127

. Scrivener7 Jan 25 #51

Well, it's not 1865, a lot has changed yaesu Jan 25 #52

Technology Southern_gent Jan 25 #54

That's for sure Cirsium Jan 26 #129

'Bleak' is not the term for what is happening now. elleng Jan 25 #58

I think the level of corruption and monied influence in this case is unprecedented. CentralMass Jan 25 #64

Add to that the fact the no previous President has ever entered the office FakeNoose Jan 25 #73

You may argue that. However, this time the very infrastructure, rules, and traditions, are being dismantled. sinkingfeeling Jan 25 #74

Really? Southern_gent Jan 25 #84

Really. sinkingfeeling Jan 25 #85

But not all of them, all at once, times 100, by one guy. defacto7 Jan 25 #77

For historical perspective, I turn to Heather Cox Richardson Lulu KC Jan 25 #81

Im sure her perspective is different Southern_gent Jan 25 #86

A "Lincoln Republican" n/t Lulu KC Jan 25 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 26 #109

Yet, none of those mentioned rallied a mob to attempt to... LudwigPastorius Jan 25 #82

Don't know about others, but frankly B.See Jan 26 #89

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 26 #110

Agreed Cirsium Jan 26 #123

You're really comparing Lincoln and FDR to Trump? Crunchy Frog Jan 26 #90

Oh, "Nothing to see here!" huh? Think. Again. Jan 26 #102

This one is trying very hard. Bless his heart. Scrivener7 Jan 26 #112

Seriously...so just how bad does it have to get then?? Bengus81 Jan 26 #103

Out of time JustAnotherGen Jan 26 #116

Looks like the OP has left the building. He disrupted badly. Scrivener7 Jan 26 #117