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AZJonnie

(256 posts)
24. AFAIK, the rest of the family, sans the child, could always have been deported
Tue Jan 21, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jan 21

There's no special dispensation I'm aware of for the parents of such kids, where they've been formally legally protected from deportation just because their child(ren) exist and are birthright citizens. The fact that they often are not in such cases has been based on non-enforcement and basic human decency. Which, obviously, is over with in this country as of yesterday.

This is not to say that Trump's intent is not to make it more politically palatable when he starts doing the very thing you mention. This way ICE will tell the kids 'you better leave with your parents because you might not be a citizen anymore' and Trump tells the world "Well, as everyone knows, because of 'Politics' and 'Evil Democrats' My Royal Proclamation is tied up in the courts, so it's currently a grey area". And the M$M stenographers will dutifully sane-wash his blatant and irrefutable violation of the Constitution for all of us. In the end, when/if he loses this gambit, they'll be out of the country, and in the meanwhile his GOP minions will likely pass laws to make it more difficult for them to come back here and claim their citizenship.

Again, IMHO, a formal law declaring birthright citizenship *retroactively* invalid isn't going to fly, even with the Dirty 6, and Trump knows this. But he doesn't care, he just wants some political cover and plausible deniability for his crimes.

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I believe it applies to those here unlawfully osteopath6 Jan 21 #1
Back in the day, who came over "lawfully." Scrivener7 Jan 21 #4
ex post facto. NutmegYankee Jan 21 #15
Who says? Scrivener7 Jan 21 #17
You literally have objective quality evidence if you have a birth certificate NutmegYankee Jan 21 #22
My point is that settled law means nothing anymore. Scrivener7 Jan 22 #44
It seems the rules are "sort of" applying osteopath6 Jan 23 #48
The kind of "sort of" that results in women dying and families being tormented and separated. Scrivener7 Jan 23 #49
I hear you osteopath6 Jan 26 #50
I'm not saying they are correct osteopath6 Jan 21 #40
Most of our ancestors were here "unlawfully" in the sense Ocelot II Jan 21 #7
Yeah, mine came 1910-1925 LeftInTX Jan 21 #20
I have a photocopy of one Retrograde Jan 21 #23
A lot of our ancestors came over "unlawfully." yardwork Jan 21 #8
+1 exactly Emile Jan 21 #37
It's also intended to apply to people here lawfully, on temporary visas. Crunchy Frog Jan 21 #25
I forgot about them. LeftInTX Jan 21 #36
From the Executive Order in question arthurgoodwin Jan 21 #33
They will be able to deport anyone that they don't like. Blue Full Moon Jan 21 #2
Then Trump will be like durablend Jan 21 #3
For me, that would be liberalhistorian Jan 21 #16
This is ,....................... Well s***** it is not retroactive Srkdqltr Jan 21 #5
If they're going after people currently in the country, it is. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #6
Not that his idea isn't horrible and unconstitutional, it most assuredly is AZJonnie Jan 21 #9
How can Trump end something that is in the Constitution? gab13by13 Jan 21 #11
See my post #24 below where I explain what I think he's actually up to AZJonnie Jan 21 #26
He can if the Supreme Court rubber stamps it. Mariana Jan 22 #42
I'm pretty sure qazplm135 Jan 21 #13
AFAIK, the rest of the family, sans the child, could always have been deported AZJonnie Jan 21 #24
I think he wants the kids gone qazplm135 Jan 21 #32
I'm not sure you're following what I'm trying to say, sorry if I'm being unclear. AZJonnie Jan 22 #41
He wants the kids to be made to leave qazplm135 Jan 22 #43
It really doesn't take much cleverness to reckon that the courts may not decide the matter instantly AZJonnie Jan 22 #47
The US Census from 1850 - 1950 Historic NY Jan 21 #10
More fascist political theater. J_William_Ryan Jan 21 #12
Not really at peace, we have been bombing places in the Middle East for Israel questionseverything Jan 21 #31
The felon should start with Melania and Elon sanduca Jan 21 #14
It doesn't apply to people who were born before the EO took place. LeftInTX Jan 21 #18
Who says it won't next week. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #19
It will likely apply to people born next week and people born today. I have to read the order again. LeftInTX Jan 21 #21
It applies only to people born 30 days after the order was signed. LeftInTX Jan 21 #28
And who says that won't change next week? Scrivener7 Jan 21 #34
He would need to write another EO for it to change to another date. That is the specific wording from the order. LeftInTX Jan 21 #35
Right. So.... Scrivener7 Jan 21 #38
Okay but that's not the outcome they're working for, nor the one they will effect WhiskeyGrinder Jan 21 #27
I suspect your comment reflects a belief I am attempting to co-opt the disaster that's about to befall Scrivener7 Jan 22 #46
Don't worry, dRUMP. Conjuay Jan 21 #29
We are people without a country now. Irish_Dem Jan 21 #30
I wouldn't mind getting deported to the Netherlands. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 21 #39
I don't believe so. Such a thing did not exist before the Revolution, and it wasn't a thing until it suited the FF. mucholderthandirt Jan 22 #45
I've been saying this for some time proud patriot Jan 26 #51
My ancestors are in a 1650 census... RainCaster Jan 26 #52
cough dweller Jan 26 #53
Trump has already (in his first term) stripped some Texas Latinos of their passports DBoon Jan 26 #54
The OP's flawed reasoning onenote Jan 26 #55
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