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Ocelot II

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7. Most of our ancestors were here "unlawfully" in the sense

Tue Jan 21, 2025, 11:40 AM

Jan 21

that they didn't have permission to come if they arrived before about 1880. They just showed up without going through any immigration process. My 3x great-grandfather arrived from Norway in 1854 without a passport or a visa and without permission from anybody, and he was eventually able to buy some land and his wife gave birth to a couple of anchor babies. Actually, at this point I would like very much to be deported back to Stavanger.

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Ending birthright citizenship would make almost EVERY ONE OF US an illegal alien. [View all] Scrivener7 Jan 21 OP

I believe it applies to those here unlawfully osteopath6 Jan 21 #1

Back in the day, who came over "lawfully." Scrivener7 Jan 21 #4

ex post facto. NutmegYankee Jan 21 #15

Who says? Scrivener7 Jan 21 #17

You literally have objective quality evidence if you have a birth certificate NutmegYankee Jan 21 #22

My point is that settled law means nothing anymore. Scrivener7 Jan 22 #44

It seems the rules are "sort of" applying osteopath6 Jan 23 #48

The kind of "sort of" that results in women dying and families being tormented and separated. Scrivener7 Jan 23 #49

I hear you osteopath6 Jan 26 #50

I'm not saying they are correct osteopath6 Jan 21 #40

Most of our ancestors were here "unlawfully" in the sense Ocelot II Jan 21 #7

Yeah, mine came 1910-1925 LeftInTX Jan 21 #20

I have a photocopy of one Retrograde Jan 21 #23

A lot of our ancestors came over "unlawfully." yardwork Jan 21 #8

+1 exactly Emile Jan 21 #37

It's also intended to apply to people here lawfully, on temporary visas. Crunchy Frog Jan 21 #25

I forgot about them. LeftInTX Jan 21 #36

From the Executive Order in question arthurgoodwin Jan 21 #33

They will be able to deport anyone that they don't like. Blue Full Moon Jan 21 #2

Then Trump will be like durablend Jan 21 #3

For me, that would be liberalhistorian Jan 21 #16

This is ,....................... Well s***** it is not retroactive Srkdqltr Jan 21 #5

If they're going after people currently in the country, it is. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #6

Not that his idea isn't horrible and unconstitutional, it most assuredly is AZJonnie Jan 21 #9

How can Trump end something that is in the Constitution? gab13by13 Jan 21 #11

See my post #24 below where I explain what I think he's actually up to AZJonnie Jan 21 #26

He can if the Supreme Court rubber stamps it. Mariana Jan 22 #42

I'm pretty sure qazplm135 Jan 21 #13

AFAIK, the rest of the family, sans the child, could always have been deported AZJonnie Jan 21 #24

I think he wants the kids gone qazplm135 Jan 21 #32

I'm not sure you're following what I'm trying to say, sorry if I'm being unclear. AZJonnie Jan 22 #41

He wants the kids to be made to leave qazplm135 Jan 22 #43

It really doesn't take much cleverness to reckon that the courts may not decide the matter instantly AZJonnie Jan 22 #47

The US Census from 1850 - 1950 Historic NY Jan 21 #10

More fascist political theater. J_William_Ryan Jan 21 #12

Not really at peace, we have been bombing places in the Middle East for Israel questionseverything Jan 21 #31

The felon should start with Melania and Elon sanduca Jan 21 #14

It doesn't apply to people who were born before the EO took place. LeftInTX Jan 21 #18

Who says it won't next week. Scrivener7 Jan 21 #19

It will likely apply to people born next week and people born today. I have to read the order again. LeftInTX Jan 21 #21

It applies only to people born 30 days after the order was signed. LeftInTX Jan 21 #28

And who says that won't change next week? Scrivener7 Jan 21 #34

He would need to write another EO for it to change to another date. That is the specific wording from the order. LeftInTX Jan 21 #35

Right. So.... Scrivener7 Jan 21 #38

Okay but that's not the outcome they're working for, nor the one they will effect WhiskeyGrinder Jan 21 #27

I suspect your comment reflects a belief I am attempting to co-opt the disaster that's about to befall Scrivener7 Jan 22 #46

Don't worry, dRUMP. Conjuay Jan 21 #29

We are people without a country now. Irish_Dem Jan 21 #30

I wouldn't mind getting deported to the Netherlands. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 21 #39

I don't believe so. Such a thing did not exist before the Revolution, and it wasn't a thing until it suited the FF. mucholderthandirt Jan 22 #45

I've been saying this for some time proud patriot Jan 26 #51

My ancestors are in a 1650 census... RainCaster Jan 26 #52

cough dweller Jan 26 #53

Trump has already (in his first term) stripped some Texas Latinos of their passports DBoon Jan 26 #54

The OP's flawed reasoning onenote Jan 26 #55