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qazplm135

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49. Lol
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:47 AM
Jan 2025

It's absolutely an imposition on the prosecution. I take you've never seen a prosecution killed because the prosecutor violated the speedy trial clock.

You've typed a lot of words that you think makes you sound smart but you simply don't know what you are talking about.

I'm not worried about impressing you because you don't have the first clue of what's required to try a case. You're too busy trying to defend what happened so you'll toss out a bunch of words.

Let's address some more of what you tried to say.

Grand juries can issue indictments in some jurisdictions which is literally what I said. In others prosecutors issue informations. Or in the military a charge sheet. There's different ways of doing it but all are basically a formulaic way of addressing having sufficient evidence to go to trial (which by law doesn't even require a preponderance std but as I said earlier, DOJ uses more of a quasi preponderance std in deciding to go forward to trial).

Your entire first paragraph is speedy trial isn't imposed on the prosecution followed by the words speedy trials are "imposed on the prosecution." Lol seriously? You can't keep it straight because you are too busy trying to tell a trial attorney how trials work when you aren't even an attorney.

I said there are two basic rights of an accused when it comes to due process that are required of the prosecution: that the trial is speedy and that there is sufficient evidence to go forward to trial.

That's pretty much it. There's a right to an attorney and other rights but those generally fall on the court not the prosecution to enforce and insure. And yes there are other basic things a prosecution has to do with discovery and other trial rights but we aren't talking about those, just the things needed to get to the trial phase.

So, if you have enough evidence to go to trial, check that block. If you have done the proper form to get to trial (indictment, information, or charge sheet) check that block. And if you do it in such a way that you are ready to go trial fast enough to satisfy speedy trial rights then check that block.

And that's pretty much it. It doesn't take four years to figure out if you have sufficient evidence in this case. It certainly doesn't take four years to get an indictment. But if you don't even start the process for two years. If you wait to assign a prosecutor for two years. If you won't even make a decision to begin the prosecution process for two years. Then yeah, it's probably going to take you four years.

You know how I know this? Because it took Jack Smith seven months from appointment in Nov 22 to indictments in June 23. That's it. Seven months. From not being on the case at all to indictment. Seven months. Only two more months for a second indictment.

So, in 9 months Smith went from doing something else to completion of all indictments in two separate cases against Trump. It was just. That. Easy.

And pretty darn standard in a federal case, if not somewhat quick to go from investigation to indictment in 9 months on two separate crimes. What does that tell you? You're not an attorney so let me tell you, these weren't particularly complicated cases. I've done mishandled classified doc cases before. It's pretty darn cut and dry. I haven't done insurrection cases but I have done obstruction of justice cases. Actually a wee bit harder but not rocket science.

Now, imagine Smith started his investigation in Feb 21. Imagine he finished it 9 months later in late 21. Imagine a trial starting worst case late 22. Before any primaries. That's what should have happened. But it didn't. And it had nothing to do with due process concerns or issues.

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Personally, I think Garland and Biden -- who could have told MG to up his game -- knew this would be a chitshow. Silent Type Jan 2025 #1
Trump would not have been able to run iemanja Jan 2025 #4
Maybe. Again, Biden could have picked up phone or fired him. We spent too much time thinking we Silent Type Jan 2025 #5
I'm not thinking anything other than what Smith just reported. iemanja Jan 2025 #6
He could have run! The law only allowed congress to prevent him from being seated. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #9
Let's put it this way iemanja Jan 2025 #10
Indictments sure didn't matter. Disgusting as it is, running from behind plexiglass might have helped him more. Silent Type Jan 2025 #13
I seriously doubt it iemanja Jan 2025 #19
I mean qazplm135 Jan 2025 #22
He wasn't president during the last four years iemanja Jan 2025 #25
Literally day one qazplm135 Jan 2025 #31
He would have been out on appeal. It usually takes a year after a search warrant to bring a federal indictment. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #16
You seem highly invested in coming up with scenarios iemanja Jan 2025 #17
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #23
Jack Smith is iemanja Jan 2025 #26
He's a prosecutor. He can't put Trump in prison!!! LeftInTX Jan 2025 #27
Just the opposite. Jack Smith's report was as much a wimp out as Mueller's. Silent Type Jan 2025 #38
That's not true qazplm135 Jan 2025 #20
Please read my responses below iemanja Jan 2025 #21
The post I replied to qazplm135 Jan 2025 #24
Not sit on my hands for two years iemanja Jan 2025 #2
How about simply faster and with less timidity? Frasier Balzov Jan 2025 #3
Well, at least nobody is posting their own version of the law. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #7
I mean "the law" didn't have much to do qazplm135 Jan 2025 #18
This is what I mean. Of course the law had much to do with how quickly the prosecution occurred! Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #33
Lol qazplm135 Jan 2025 #41
At times due process requires more than four years. There is no time frame on due process. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #44
There literally is a time frame for due process qazplm135 Jan 2025 #45
Ok, I will give you an opportunity to show off your legal background. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #46
Both states and the feds have speedy trial qazplm135 Jan 2025 #47
Speedy trial is the right of the defendant, not an imposition on the prosecution. Curious how a seasoned prosecutor Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #48
Lol qazplm135 Jan 2025 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Jan 2025 #8
Most people have no clue he's Jewish. To think that is the reason he is criticized on DU is ludicrous and unthinking NoRethugFriends Jan 2025 #14
That's a lot of hyperbole qazplm135 Jan 2025 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author arthritisR_US Jan 2025 #28
Garland could have appointed a Special Counsel to investigate Trump immediately upon his confirmation... LudwigPastorius Jan 2025 #11
It's not hard qazplm135 Jan 2025 #12
He could have released the full Mueller report. intheflow Jan 2025 #34
Garland is the worst of the worst of AGs awesomerwb1 Jan 2025 #29
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It' not just Garland, it's the whole system. Scruffy1 Jan 2025 #32
If the sc gave him his way out that's on them. The stalling is on Garland. Autumn Jan 2025 #36
Garland should have gone after trump as soon as he started going after trumps idiots. Autumn Jan 2025 #35
Thank you. William769 Jan 2025 #37
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As soon as the first insurrectionist interviewed opened his or her mouth and said they went to the Capitol because Trump Jit423 Jan 2025 #42
Has you question been answered? edhopper Jan 2025 #43
Simply this : Justice delayed is Justice denied". OnDoutside Jan 2025 #50
1 - Assign someone to investigate tsf on 1/7 and don't give it to some right wing toady! lark Jan 2025 #51
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