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BeyondGeography

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14. This is such lazy thinking

Tue Jan 14, 2025, 12:25 PM

Jan 2025

You have a political imagination, please use it.

Taking Trump off the field should have been issue #1 for Biden. Assume that he made it so and picked Sally Yates or someone similar for AG with the understanding that overturning Trump’s J6 impeachment acquittal with criminal indictments and a conviction was top priority. After all, Biden saw himself as restoring the soul of America, right? What could be more important than holding Trump to account for the most criminal act any President ever undertook: staging a riot to overturn a free a fair presidential election.

Now imagine that instead of ignoring Trump and calling him The Former Guy for much of 2021 he called him Public Enemy #1, which would have been appropriate since Trump persisted all along in calling Biden an illegitimate President. Imagine a President who used his power and an AG who backed him up. Is that so hard? Then take the next step and imagine if the last four years would have been any different as a result.

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Funny how so many see Smith's report, and it's mention of "timeliness", as an indictment of Garland [View all] Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 OP

Would the outcome have been different if Garland had moved faster? Ocelot II Jan 2025 #1

Exactly- regardless of Garland's speed, the outcome would have been the same Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #4

And even if he had been tried and convicted before the election, Ocelot II Jan 2025 #11

Yup- that is the sad reality Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #13

People had higher expectations of Garland than of Roberts and the other conservative SCJs muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #2

Nevertheless, the courts held more power than Garland Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #6

You're just supposing the SC would have done something else muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #10

All the existing evidence shows the courts would have continued to delay a trail Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #12

Exactly. The courts were working through was was admissible, not saying "this will never happen" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #22

Indeed, that would be true Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #24

Again, you're just guessing what they'd try to do. It's a counsel of despair. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #31

I've never suggested or advocated giving up Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #32

Your entire argument is "it was impossible to get a trial in four years" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #33

That's a whole lot of assumptions and misinterpretations Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #35

Obviously, you have an idiosyncratic view of what happened muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #38

garland didn't even start investigations for 2 years... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #3

I thought Garland was a terrible choice for the supreme court, as well as the AG NewHendoLib Jan 2025 #5

And yet, the result would have been the same with any other AG Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #7

Disagree. NewHendoLib Jan 2025 #8

Facts to support your opinion? Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #9

Assuming what the court might have done is not reality. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #29

This is such lazy thinking BeyondGeography Jan 2025 #14

Yates could not have forced a trial before the election Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #15

Not handing down indictments before he declared his candidacy BeyondGeography Jan 2025 #16

Smith wasn't appointed until almost two years Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #17

You completely misunderstand the definition of, and justification for appointing a special counsel. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #18

Nice try. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #19

See all the Garland failure excuses here Bobstandard Jan 2025 #20

It wasn't the courts that delayed the FBI from investigating trump republianmushroom Jan 2025 #21

So walk me through your alternative scenario Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #23

The courts may not of been as protective of trump, if, he was indicted "sooner", republianmushroom Jan 2025 #34

It's a failure of the entire system malaise Jan 2025 #25

Regrettably, certain individuals seek a convenient scapegoat when faced with events that exceed their control * Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #26

Spot on, I saw the light gab13by13 Jan 2025 #27

Hallelujah! Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #28

It can be both an indictment of Garland and delays/obstruction by the Roberts' Court Stargleamer Jan 2025 #30

I don't give a f-ck if it disqualified trump or not. Apply the law QUICKLY ecstatic Jan 2025 #36

So walk me through how another AG would have obtained a conviction before the election Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #37

Two separate issues. My preferred AG would have moved quickly, which is a separate issue ecstatic Jan 2025 #39