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TexasTowelie

(119,858 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:44 AM Jan 2025

'He's very angry': Haberman on Trump's reaction to NY hush money case - CNN



President-elect Donald Trump will face no legal penalties for his conviction in the hush money case, a New York judge ruled. Judge Juan Merchan, however, upheld Trump’s conviction in the case, rejecting the president-elect’s effort to throw out the jury’s verdict because of his reelection. CNN's Paula Reid reports and CNN political analyst Maggie Haberman along with a panel of experts join CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.
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'He's very angry': Haberman on Trump's reaction to NY hush money case - CNN (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jan 2025 OP
This should be good bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #1
At least THAT judge. Grins Jan 2025 #13
"Will no one rid me of this troublesome judge?" SCantiGOP Jan 2025 #16
I'll guess Merchan states "you are a convicted felon" and gives him probation underpants Jan 2025 #2
Judge has announced that there will be no jail time. 3Hotdogs Jan 2025 #4
How about an ankle monitor? n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2025 #7
How about the orange jumpsuit ? Seinan Sensei Jan 2025 #18
I always though being President pfitz59 Jan 2025 #23
I think he's angry because his idiot supporters believe he's not really a felon unless he's sentenced. Baitball Blogger Jan 2025 #3
How true! GreenWave Jan 2025 #22
He's still a piece of shit. Turbineguy Jan 13 #29
whaaaaaaah. The F'n, murdering, orange RAPIST, TRAITOR** is angry. niyad Jan 2025 #5
There will be no jail and no probation. tetedur Jan 2025 #6
In America, no man is above the law. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2025 #8
I think he should be fined one dollar. rickford66 Jan 2025 #9
No punishment? Justice matters. Jan 2025 #10
Why not 3 days in jail? Captain Zero Jan 12 #26
It seems to be only human FEAR of any retaliation from (sad to say) Justice matters. Jan 12 #27
Tough noogies, shitler. Mc Mike Jan 2025 #11
Good. Ocelot II Jan 2025 #12
I hope he gets so angry that he goes into cardiac arrest during his stupid YMCA dance. Crowman2009 Jan 2025 #14
I think tsf should be forced to pay for the entire trial Blappy Jan 2025 #15
Please tell me something else that makes me happy. badhair77 Jan 2025 #17
Always knew there would be no jail time. Katinfl Jan 2025 #19
Wilhoit's Law usonian Jan 2025 #20
Quote from CNN Anchor: "THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS HERE!" Meaning no jail time. That is not GOOD news. usaf-vet Jan 2025 #21
The conviction doesn't go away pfitz59 Jan 2025 #24
As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base LetMyPeopleVote Jan 12 #25
When is he not angry Bristlecone Jan 12 #28
ONE. Trump's always angry. Sometimes he's very angry. no_hypocrisy Jan 13 #30

3Hotdogs

(14,047 posts)
4. Judge has announced that there will be no jail time.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:18 AM
Jan 2025

Given that, I would support community service. Maybe a day of Anal Fistula picking up litter in a park.

pfitz59

(11,423 posts)
23. I always though being President
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 06:24 PM
Jan 2025

was the epitome of 'Community Service'. Until the ultimate self-server, Trump arrived on the scene.

Baitball Blogger

(49,650 posts)
3. I think he's angry because his idiot supporters believe he's not really a felon unless he's sentenced.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:00 AM
Jan 2025

So, now with the sentencing they'll have to resort to, well, it wasn't bad enough to be jailed.

niyad

(123,078 posts)
5. whaaaaaaah. The F'n, murdering, orange RAPIST, TRAITOR** is angry.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:52 AM
Jan 2025

So fucking what??? WE are angry that this piece of filth, hatred, cruelty and ignorance will once again soil the People's House. Frankly, I hope he gets so angry that he strokes out.

tetedur

(1,228 posts)
6. There will be no jail and no probation.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 10:56 AM
Jan 2025
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/01/03/trump-new-york-hush-money-conviction-sentence/

New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan wrote in his ruling that he does not intend to sentence Trump to jail. He said he plans to order an “unconditional discharge,” a designation in New York criminal courts for a non-jail and non-probation sentence that carries no other obligations.


So what is left? A pat on the head? Go and sin no more? HA.

Trump was never going to be held responsible for his crimes. The Supreme Court and the District Courts just had to bend themselves into pretzels to get him off the hook and then all is well until he commits other crimes. But we know ahead of time now, you can charge him, you can convict him but you cannot punish him. He has gotten away with it all his life and he will continue.

rickford66

(5,817 posts)
9. I think he should be fined one dollar.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:01 AM
Jan 2025

He will have to spend millions trying to avoid the fine.

Captain Zero

(7,798 posts)
26. Why not 3 days in jail?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:26 PM
Jan 12

And say he can serve it before he takes office or after he leaves?

I heard on LegalAF others could have got 1.25-4 years for this. Why not at least give him 3 days?

Didn't Cohen and Weisselberg get some time for their parts in these crimes? Or was their time for other things?

Justice matters.

(8,240 posts)
27. It seems to be only human FEAR of any retaliation from (sad to say)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:39 PM
Jan 12

the upcoming most powerful individual in the world (a convicted felon with no morals and no human qualities).

At least he was convicted 34 times for 34 felonies... and he can't set foot on a number of countries (by their laws).

Ocelot II

(124,027 posts)
12. Good.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:09 AM
Jan 2025

He was never going to jail, though, and it was always totally unrealistic to think that he ever would. White-collar defendants almost never get jail time unless it's for something pretty extreme, e.g., Bernie Madoff. The actual crimes Trump was convicted of involved the falsification of business records - something hardly anybody goes to jail for. The maximum sentence as a Class E felony is four years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000. However, the exact penalty will depend on a range of factors, including the defendant's criminal history and other circumstances. I found only a couple of cases where the perps got prison sentences - one where a rental car company manager falsified customer rental agreements and one where a CEO altered the company's financial records to reflect false revenue numbers in order to mislead investors and shareholders and boost its stock price. Both of these cases involved financial losses to members of the general public, which might have been a factor in the prison sentences.

Trump certainly deserves more punishment than he's going to get, but the fact that he's very, very angry shows that just the fact of the 34 felony convictions is a significant penalty to him. He will go down in history as the only president inaugurated as a convicted felon and there's not a damn thing he can do about it. The hit to his ego is massive and I love it.

Blappy

(156 posts)
15. I think tsf should be forced to pay for the entire trial
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jan 2025

He is most definitely guilty after all. No penalty whatsoever is a kick in the groin to the rule of law, to the jurors and to the taxpayers. Absolutely disgusting.

Katinfl

(334 posts)
19. Always knew there would be no jail time.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:33 PM
Jan 2025

He was never going to serve any time and it was foolish to ever think he would. I seem to recall hearing that in NY you are not a “convicted” felon until sentencing. Think maybe the judge wants to make the convictions legal and on record, therefore the “sentencing”. This judge is making the statement that the jury found him guilty on all counts and that decision could not/should not be tossed aside. A jury of his peers came to that decision. So it will go down in the history books that we had a convicted felon in the Oval Office, but with no consequences. Go figure. Justice is not equal, but at least he will have received a sentence, however meaningless. I bet the judge will give a pretty rough tongue lashing though. IMO.

usonian

(16,901 posts)
20. Wilhoit's Law
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:42 PM
Jan 2025
https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” This seems increasingly true.


THAT SAID, there's a certain irony in this.

The core belief of maga is cruelty.
Make others suffer.



And if this triggers the Malicious Mandarin even more, great.
Schadenfreude post here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19863580
THIS SHOULD CHEER YOU UP.


usaf-vet

(7,419 posts)
21. Quote from CNN Anchor: "THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS HERE!" Meaning no jail time. That is not GOOD news.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 12:50 PM
Jan 2025

Slanting the announcement....... were the first words out of her mouth.

pfitz59

(11,423 posts)
24. The conviction doesn't go away
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 06:26 PM
Jan 2025

The charges don't go away. He just doesn't serve time. Still a felon. No exoneration.

LetMyPeopleVote

(161,001 posts)
25. As a convicted felon, TFG aka The Felon Guy has to submit a DNA sample to the New York criminal data base
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:11 PM
Jan 12

This makes me smile



no_hypocrisy

(51,016 posts)
30. ONE. Trump's always angry. Sometimes he's very angry.
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 04:51 AM
Jan 13

TWO. Trump got away with murder as far as punishment. Instead of being relieved, he's "very angry" because he's been held accountable, and on The Record, for not one, but 38 felonies. It's one thing to go bankrupt, but it was the money of banks, not him personally, that lost the money. It's another thing to be publicly humiliated and to not present a perfect, stellar image.

THREE. Judge Merchan is out of reach for Trump to exact revenge. THIS has got to bother him more than anything.

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