let manchildren like this waste of protoplasm define your view of all of us. There are many of us who find the MRA's a bunch of tools.

many for sure, but far far from all men.

thanks for stepping in. i hear ya.

These guys are scum. I'm married to a great guy, and he's the one who sets my standards. Not these hate filled excuses for human persons.


The problem is they're gaining far too much publicity with these stunts so I don't turn down chances to mock them.

There is more than a couple of them here at DU, BTW.

However, there are growing numbers of women who see the widespread tolerance that these MRA types get from most men, and that definitely does seem to be coloring their opinion of all men.

you're telling us what to do...

i LUV

to tell anyone what to do, and if that is the vibe given, apolgies offered, however, I still thought it was good to say that people like the mras do not speak for everybody. Should I have said "ladies,please do not...etc"? No sarcasm meant, because I genuinely do not want to offend when the whole point was to say that the mra's do not speak for the people they claim to speak for.

A man being likened to an MRA would be like a liberal woman likened to, say, Sarah Palin.

Both big Ick factors. There is a misconception feminists have to battle. Something to the effect that lumping men in the same category is useful. It's not useful and it's not what we do.

Even feminists, have to think about their philosophy-- for instance, right now I'm carefully listening to or reading the opinions of, feminists of color. It's often very uncomfortable because I'm a cis hetero white woman. But to learn to communicate, to grow and to problem solve, being 'uncomfortable' is an easy price to pay to see the places my own privilege causes harm.

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has been set, whether you meant it or not.

It is a common ploy to suggest that women should not view all men through this prism. As you can see by the follow up posts the females are automatically pushed to defend that they of course understand this. It is a practice that is so subtle that it is viewed as a norm, even by men and women who support equality.

Don, this is not directed at you, but to the people who think that because women hold this type of male in contempt, must hate all men

Of fucking course women are smart enough to know that this type of man is in no way representative of ALL men.

yes.

you said it well. more explanation, but blunt and accurate. X said it well too, with few words and blunt. me....? i went to nice mode. wink.

interesting

a man comes in to a feminist group and tells us 'all about' something that we are clearly very well versed on and there is the immediate focus on that man, explaining ourselves, defending our position, etc. and all of the energy is sucked away from the original conversation and is directed toward the man.

Time after time.

What I actually wanted to say to Don upthread was: No shit Sherlock.
But I try to avoid acting like a dick.

if i didnt call it, we would NEVER hear the end of it. though they are clear at stating they do not find dick offensive. when agenda works in that direction. but, they surely use it when agenda works in THIS direction.

ah women...

i didnt get on the shopping yesterday. make me..... lol

such the damn procrastinator.

You've inspired me. I'm off. Have fun shopping sea ttyl

Get out there and do what comes naturally to you, girl!

dontcha know. lol

as far as setting a trap, that was not my intent, but I suppose that does not matter. C;set La vie, because somethign is still right or wrong, and the mra's are still fools regardless of whatever sauce they pour over their food. However, I will admit I kind of bristled at the idea that i was tryign to "suck" energy away when I was trying to add to it.

C'est la vie, I suppose.

really being said, until it is a gotcha moment for me. then it is so clear.

but, do you get how every woman responded to you and the first thing said is ya... we know. we have men in our lives that are not.

how that does a couple things. firstly treats us as ... well, .... unintentionally, .... as, stupid. lol

and the second is that it does put us in the category that we are so often, regularly, repeatedly, told we are man haters. in the last week i must have been told by ten men, that i am a man hater. i have all men and boys in my life. right now, one niece. i am taking care of 7 men/boys. i love them with all my heart. i have been taking care of them for a lifetime. and i am accused of being a man hater.

that is kinda why is is petting the fur in the wrong direction.

nothing personal. and not a personal attack. just info.

i can remember when i suggested that civil unions would work. hell, i would even make mine civil. well, mine is civil, since married in court house. but.... i was educated. and i thought about it. and i amended my beliefs people the people effected took the time to explain it to me. why it was offensive what i said.

this is no different.

i have had this experience in a lot of things

you have always been a voice with women.

I was just pointing out how it works. The defenders of the MRA types consistently say this outright. Consider this. It may be the 1st time you said this; but this is not the 1st time women have heard variations of it. over and over and over. The result is, women stop talking about the issue at hand to say ... of course not.

It's ... yeah.

This is why so many feminists are really against the label 'male feminist'. Because this kind of stuff is so common, even among our allies.

were trying to claim it wasn't MRAs.

Typical.