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I've always loved being alone and wondered if there was something "wrong" with me. It's good to know that there's probably not, lol.
snowybirdie
(6,538 posts)I'm not weird! Love this positive look at my personality trait..
Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)Response to catbyte (Original post)
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2naSalit
(99,640 posts)A long time ago. Much like having an "outside voice" and an "indoor voice" introverts maintain a public persona and are only themselves when alone, at home.
littlemissmartypants
(31,354 posts)Your description makes sense to me. ❤️
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(38,558 posts)I've taken a few through college and work activities and the results are always the same. Thanks for the thread suggestion!
doc03
(38,773 posts)someone I have this tendency to shut them out. In this deep red area it is nearly impossible to find anyone you can have a
civil conversation with, so I keep to myself.
Polly Hennessey
(8,498 posts)are exactly what and where I should be.
littlemissmartypants
(31,354 posts)yonder
(10,225 posts)with that need to recharge by being alone. I'm learning that there's a lot more people just like us than I ever thought probably unsung as a result of some societal or culture pressure to avoid being seen as another "odd loner". Another benefit of getting older: Who cares?
I've been calling it "going to church" when I take off for some time out in the desert or up in the hills while being thankful that my handful of close friends and especially my wife somehow get it and can allow me that space.
Recharge baby!
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I never even had a twitter page. It was only when my entire lab signed up for that bloody lousy Facebook thing that I made a page and back in 2007 when it was still .edu.
A lot of people don't want to be out there, known to a lot of strangers etc.
It is not a mental issue or shady or conservative to be reclusive. Its as if an entire class of personality is only allowed if you are super rich and the rest of us have to pay our dues to these parasitic systems by being out there and telling your story etc
Or put up with harassment, slander etc.
One reason I have a lot of sympathy for wildlife is I get why it is stressful when humans clatter in with their cameras, making a lot of noise and stressing wildlife. Influencers who take photos with animals harassing them in their own reserves. Those are loathsome behaviors.
Doxxing people into coming out etc is harassment. Not everyone wants to be out there, having a conversation.
I like to have no conversation with society in general that is not strictly tied to my field.
And okay some light politics on du or discussing books.
I left many rants on DU by now and and they were basically fracked out. I am furious.
It isnt even anything very lurid or scandalous but on the one hand these emerging systems are awful and annoying in every way and I dont want to play by their rules and engage with them etc. I want to opt out.
A lot was fracked out of me either by nuisances or a kind of silence thats uncomfortable. I have not yet reached a point of Pulp Fictions comfortable silence with various sleazy internet corporations and such
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I am comfy here around duers like CrispyQ etc who remind me of my ex mom in law. Retirees, public school teachers not influencers and creeps and so on.
I like everyone here..but just a random example
I am here because ..well everyone is much older ..I like that. I dont like people who go clattering all over the place like those loud and noisy people all over the web. Well progressives I like arent like that.
A nice quiet place instead of ..yeesh. I had come to make my last post, because I dont really like talking very much.
A nice thing about places like Physics Stack Exchange is you cant talk there so the Pulp Fiction primal scream thing doesnt come up.
I hate tech
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But well I do like DU and Ill come back in a year and make one line posts rather than outpouring of stuff..I really hated my last workplace.
What is it? That if you dont pay your dues to society with some sort of awful Calvinistic work ethic you should at least clatter about all over the web posting bizarre things?
Yeesh.
I just wanted something simple.
I have always hated being conspicuous. And these lousy systems are so invasive and encroaching yet ..these days more tangibly, but as soon as the larger public starts getting more aware, they want to use that set of morons (and super creepy men) who lower the bar for everyone, to set the standard of what is acceptable. Its the other way around.
I remember reading an article years ago where one of those Facebook morons said, Oh you know we are not interested in your private stuff.
Yeah no
people wear clothes because most people are not nudists not because its this reasoning process that goes Oh am I interesting to a bunch of tech creeps?
Nobody cares what some creeps are interested in. It is my damn space.
Unbelievably invasive.,
Complaints and a huge conflict are guaranteed..
I have stopped trying to make these sound like some sort of abstract hypothetical or generic bland statement on tech. I dont think it works.
I am not crazy just really annoyed.
Anyway I am resolutely determined to log off for a year and not get goaded into more rants.
Its like an entire existence thats one part that horrible printer from Office Space and the other part all those creeps from Idiocracy. This is hell. And it is not a movie or story.
How can this absurdist hell be real?
The human brain can fathom poverty, disease etc. I tried to cope with humor etc. but I just dont want to put up with this anymore and I going to get the plug pulled and file all applicable complaints. Its like one 15 year episode of Black Mirror. Thats not a compliment if you build some sort of horrible tech. Are these people irony challenged. That show was not laying out how things should be.
I ranted elsewhere about Adam Curtis, but one of his documentaries is kinda interesting :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_(British_TV_series)
That first episode just pisses me off. This is how these guys come up with BS like everyone is selfish. Just because their cultish and creepy form of forced cooperation with some people who dont have the sense to not avoid these things (I dont know if its Calvinism, theocracy, sadomasochism?) doesnt work it doesnt mean the humans are seldish; this rot is a model for mental illness etc.
It means that si valley is fundamentally sloppy and not that good at science and thats true of these creeps where I live as well.
That rosenhan shit is also intended to discount decent psychiatrists and give rhe edge to these assholes pushing garbage cs
these guys ruin progressivism, science, medicine and education..this small subset of creepy people you find at Stanfords Hoover Institution (that ass Atlas etc), Stanford Hai (that douchebag Pentland), the MiT media lab.
Anyway thats a last of it.
Oh great..now I have also weighed in on this internet rubbish. Well it will just sink like a stone is my hope, complaint filing aside. There will be lots of ink spilt and talk etc by the people who these guys usually have the sense to recruit instead of going and roping some irate random..
Anyway I am going offline for a year. I will be back sounding like my old self I hope..ie quieter and normal.
I plan to file all applicable complaints.
I hate all these creeps and their stupid ai agents and LLMs and etc.
Edit: I wanted to add one final note before shutting up if not forever for a long time. The only thing I have in common with those Si Valley types is hate. I hate them as much as they hate everyone except their manipulative and narcissistic selves. So I dislike talking on the whole. Well I like it when some people talk. I like it when people here or all the people I follow talk. I am not wildly original so I like it when brighter people I like talk. But I dont like to talk myself. Its self important and kinda drivelly. Its driven by exasperation.
But I did want to say that for people so invested in ruling or dominating the world and reality. That is a stupid idea and will lead nowhere but misery. You will cause a lot of collateral damage but as every hubris filled war from Vietnam to Ukraine and every natural disaster shows you just cant carry out endless conquest ans as is clear by now to me at least, that type of thought process is flawed.
I used to feel drearily like a worldview I dont have any sympathy for bombards one all the time forcing one to dully inspect ideas and worldview that seemed beyond stupid and awful. Its a wild ride to be accused of grandiosity when you miserably inspect what seems to be a worldview so grandiose that someone elses personhood-a person you dont know and rarely seems to have any real sympathy for -is irrelevant.
But say that was even possible, an eternal conquest with your douchey self and cult at the top of the pile, without ever bothering to understand the world you will never be able to rule the world. You wont even be able to pull off more realistic manipulation.
More sanely, if you do want to change the world! You have to try to understand it first. I have no sympathy for either worldview by now but I can at least understand the latter. Both are kind of arrogant. I could always understand trying to find the least shitty parts of reality to quietly exist in and lending a hand to the people and things that are hurting and worth preserving as opposed to yet another shopping mall or ill conceived piece of drivel.
Its why I will continue to use DU in a year or so.
Or doing something worthwhile. I started liking science because of people of the Dr Fauci style more than this Si valley douchebag type.
And maybe if you understand the world, you woukd have some ideas on how it can be less shitty. I realize that requires far more humility and quiet immersion etc than the move first break shit! Annoy everyone in a billion mile radius! And always thinking everything is some shitty bot come to life or a trainwreck.
But my point is that when all you want to do is figure out how to manipulate people or things, with no deeper understanding of anything. That will invariably yield to chaos. Its a human thing apparently to project a very human worldview on everything-its not restricted to anyone one group. Its human..conquest and colonization and it invariably turns on itself.
This exceptionally stupid tech billionaire and trump train is of course doomed. But if you only want to swop them out for a kinder gentler version that still is rooted in destruction, force, manipulation (you pull this trigger and this happens, that one and that happens, with no real depth), I cant see that any future that isnt a never ending series of reactionary backlashes is possible.
That was my glum two cents anyway.
I have been thinking about that Bob Dylan line I wish you could stand inside my shoes and for just one moment I could be you, youd know what a drag it is to see you. Thats how that entire fatuous network of tech creeps of Stanford/MIT/Harvard/Yale/Cambridge/Oxford/UCL/Dartmouth/Berkeley/Google/Facebook makes me feel. Let alone even more Nazi and batshit crazy, bombastic versions like Musk and Palantir. It shouldnt have been that anything short of trump and musk was acceptable during that ghastly and awful neoliberal era preceding these creeps. And whatever the brand you have to look at the ideas and dynamics.
This world domination shit is really stupid. And threadbare..
Nothing in science or reality works this way. Not even the least broken parts of the marketplace (which isnt much by now) works this way.
I really dont get it. How this Solaris bombarding the ocean with radiation style of thinking works. And this desperation for ai and other things that dont work..
I saw this sad shit just yesterday/ These people are all delusional and out of touch with the world around them/ more importantly they dont understand that a fatuous replacement of every type of govt expert or publicly funded scientist with this type of moron wont last or work:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ai-progress-surges-researchers-struggle-explain-rcna247693
Anyway the short answer is that you are welcome to go and pollute every part of the world as long as you stay away from me because I am not kidding around. I will be filing the most serious complaints I can about the whole thing/ this is not the scientific method or medicine.
I dont know what it is except greed and hubris to quote Jon Stewarts remark made what seems many lifetimes ago about the Iraq War.
I feel nostalgic about the Iraq War.
There are limits to growth and denying that and forcing every damn person into this disgraceful dreck exploiting every new crisis for more junk growth/ again I am shutting up but I did want to say that one last time/ I dont really talking like this/
Please dont recruit from the nih postdoc pool for these stupid things. Thats very stressful to a quiet type of person who isnt this awful racketing racketeering attention seeking lousy type of person that grifts and flourishes these days.
You are not going to find any influencers in that pool except the Trumpers and the types of people who dont hate every pi you find in bed with Google, Edx, edtech etc.
If peope are struggling with science these are the worst damn ideas. Its adding insult to injury after ruining education and healthcare with privatization to pretend that some Trumpy meninist types in any part of the world annoying the shit out of some woman trying to lead a life of quiet desperation is somehow a conversation/
I do talk to DU..but thats different. It has underground in the name of the site/ but it doesnt mean some sort of creepy spooky underground. Even people who are loud clattering nightmares do connect. Adam Becker talks about Star Trek. I used to like my colleagues (prior to the Fall of 2011). And in recent years I am slowing rebuilding a sort of life at a snails pace and I dont want these things or people hogging everything and piling on again.
There is gate keeping like the wealthy do it.
And then there is not rampaging about everywhere like that Mr Beast or ..never allowing anything quiet or ..
Most people of this type dont like cameras or the Kardashians or this world view that any attention or money (no matter what the source) is a positive thing. And a sad imitation of that by the very people who promoted or promote all this used against those they victimize, that is snooty gatekeeping. Which goes hand in hand in my experience with this crass greed for power and influence.
Anyway.
Edit: Because, I have made a reference to serious complaints that will follow for sure at this point, I wanted to point out that its not about wanting a safety proofed world helicopter parent style. I am an only child but my mom, anxious as many things I would do, made her, thought people should learn on their own. That is correct. There is no perfect safety etc.
Both reality and online stuff are dicey enough as is. I was thinking of random pranksters like this guy (a dubious style but well, okay its an art form I suppose):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phil_Hendrie_Show
Or the genuinely malicious Project Veritas.
Theres undeniably always some malice directed at progressive movements -deliberate or if its the nature of the thing I dont know.
I am sure every counter culture movement has been infiltrated by national security types at some point ( Richard Aoki, Justine Tunney etc come to mind). I am not saying that so people are more paranoid. Hey, like The Purloined Letter maybe I am one of those people?! No. Thats silly. I am just an irate older woman who is sick of various things and wants a quiet life.
But the real point is that, some real checks and regulation against these guys like Lina Khan was bringing in are at this point the only fix.
The sheer scale of resources they have whether it is these giants or small creepy companies exploiting this deregulated environment to send creeps into ones street, make free with the space in ones own home.
This is not super safety culture etc. these guys are creepy accelerationists engaged in a massive rip off. The whole thing needs to be shut down and kicked out till they can come back with proper regulated stuff.
I wouldnt say it if it was a minor trivial thing or a smaller nuisance/ I tolerate those.
These are serious nuisances and they suck away your time and life and resource and change your life. Its in no ones interest and by understanding the world I dont mean their creepy little researchers like Facebook and Hai of that loathsome Stanford or the creeps of the MIT Media lab.
I mean NiH researchers from another era who would be more like my former colleagues and not these creep types.
You kinda have to be human to know what I mean.
Its why I post here. Anyway I cant rant all day. Thats it for now. Ill be back in a year.
Ill be back on DU Jan 2027 with my paper done and dusted and on my way to filing complaints quietly. hopefully Trump and the tech creeps will be on their last legs with this pathetic ai and big data boom etc having died.
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(i was more an X files than Star Trek fan but I get the general idea)
Anyway I didnt start this or any of these posts that arent about generic impersonal politics to drivel on. I wanted to include Microsoft (I dont mind DuckDuckGo/protonmail/cleverbot)/Apple/Cisco/Intel/Oracle/Alibaba/tencent/Tata/Infosys/Mahindra/anything Reliance etc etc -I cant possibly list every creepy little tech co ever dammit-in short every giant and small creepy indigenous or foreign tech co shilling ai/big data /whatever new disgusting creepy nuisance of no use to man or beast.
If I signed up for something it would be like my main lab approved (my real mentor wasnt enthusiastic about the tech creeps ever..) or my friends approved.
I use this board because I trust EarlG/elad. I try not to have a series of broken relationships irl by from the start not engaging with shady types.
I didnt need a decade. I took a dislike to my last employer immediately and that was sane.
If it looks shady and feels shady, it probably is and its because of those creeps in ai etc
And nuance etc blah blah aside, this has been ott for 14 years. I am filing complaints against my city and state for refusing to shut off this street and this space to blatantly creepy experimentation this late in the day.
I use marijuana medically and a tentative push to legalize it shouldnt be coupled to all sorts of sleazy things that try to pile to legitimate products (like my medical MJ which helps me repair my brain and I am not proving that to some creeps) sans some shady pile one who shill reefer madness on the one hand and other computer based garbage like that loathsome misogynistic malpracticing Stanford psychiatry or similar while forcing games and street maps and traffic studies and so much predatory BS
I used to worry that these guys will harass my delivery guys or someone like that to make me tolerant of these lousy experiments and it wont happen. Women would never have had serious rights if that bullshit girlboss shit of cooperating with these detestable men was a thing. I am not a misandrist. I joke about Solanas etc
But its either a lying and sleazy or scared human or a bot that would work with these awful creepy guys and their BS
My street and home should be shut off to all stuff thats not tied to literal deliveries on this street or oblivious stuf
I am filing complaints wherever knowing data scientists or these creeps driving vehicles drove or walked down this street between 2021 and 2025 and going forward.
I am not worried anymore and I am filing complaints. I merely made points about nuance etc etc to point out that I try to be a nice person and see nuance etc etc
This is bullshit though.
While my mentor and colleagues at my last workplace were merely annoying and cultish in expecting people to accept these stupid tech creeps as some sort of punishment for being.a human female..they arent exactly the most forward thinking or progressive or feminist people. But they werent bad. Just kinda annoying and awful like Joan from Joan is awful.
But the most pf these guys only a few of whom I interacted with and immediately usually knew ..No. they really are pushy backward predatory and awful. You wouldnt like them either for any generic you. Apple is awful but that one ad they had depicted something universal about the opting out as did the pokemon lawsuit
You wouldnt want your home filled with ads and streets with influencers etc as some disgusting trashy take on UBI. Or whatever bullshit these parasitic criminals in tech pitch
Its not an ad. But I recommend Adam Beckers book on these creeps.
He thinks like a normal scientist. That entire collection of dimwitted douchebags at Stanford MIT etc think like morons. And you shouldnt need a neoconservative like Curtis or some other family values shill to point it out solely.
So annoying. How would atomization not be better than the most bullshit take on community etc
These guys pervert everything and turn that into a product and spectacle. I am here because Du is a grassroots explicitly democratic community. Any honest conservatives should try to fix their side of the aisle instead of forcing their values on feminist (not the Taylor Swift or Beyonce or celeb kind but women you would never know or meet since .ordinary dull women who still arent this stupid and crazy) women and eveyone dammit
Its a damn cult. Thats what it is..those fatuous tech creeps.
I think thats it. Go away and annoy just about anyone else and it isnt a mental health issue.
You can keep being a frog in boiling water
I didnt wear tshirts or have bumper stickers as much but I knew what things meant and this looked like the worst damn idea ever and at least during trump 2.0../
Seriously have you no shame? Have you no sense.?
Sorry..I will see you guys on du in Jan 2027 when I will try to quietly blend in as I plan to do in science as well instead of ..thank god everyone has no attention span.
Theee are some oped writers like Ed Zitron or Yasha Levine even I like (hate the term influencers..that is a tech creep term). But I am not anything but a frustrated human.
I cant believe that in real time you can turn the average random white collar professional who leads some sort of quiet life, has a few political opinions etc into an endangered thing while their space and time are hijacked by people with no products or services but snoop around tryint to repurpose your life for their ends and obviously will be creepy and regressive and pushy and not have the normal sense of ick that all those maligned bureaucrats and regulators in the public sector who are more sympathetic to the random person without policing them (ie leave marijuana out of it at least now you aasholes. And i like to support one or two small vegan cos. We know a few small mom and pop stores or decent small businesses (already known to me-no more!). Must everything be explained to these morons?)
Surely that was clear enough? I cant do an endless if else or thing for assholes and sleazebags who play dumb deliberately this much. I have to go work finally..
And this piece of junk can grace the Idiocracy that is net. Sorry EarlG/elad. Not exactly a poster child for the community right now.
But I swear if you knew you would be more sympathetic.
It was so annoying. These guys just ignore things and wont take no for an answer without attacking you as somehow at least broken. I never had a Cassandra complex but its not my fault that so many people who should know better dont see how sleazy these guys are when they have a cs degree or not even that and some lousy over valued start up as they fleece society. There may even be one or two acceptable things in theew but it would be that rare. Mostly its just the worst way to do things and well above my pay grade which is why I blame actually elite but passive people for not checking these mediocre creeps who become CEOs etc at the Unic level instead of lionizing such fatuous crap while straining everyone else. And hogging more and more and more.
They want every last thing and its when you overreach that much that brushback is guaranteed. Any further encroachment or lies wrt me will only make me eventually file even more serious complaints. But I cant keep doing this. I have to go work.
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This rant applies to me-a person who is not and never will be an influencer, a public person (unless doxxed at which point (feel free to get a life
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This is a mutual extortion thing that our elites are engaged in and it doesnt directly apply to us rabble except wrt what choices we make.
I got a headstart here and I for one plan to file complaints against all the private sector entities and hospitals involved (though not any specific doctors) so at the very least this cannot happen again. I am not suing for money etc. Thats how these people who force AI, big data and exploit humans in this layer in between thing. Its gross neoliberal shit.
I use marijuana medically and I dont expect to get into trouble with the local police. Which is why I am taking this stance. I have no wish to go to prison. What is human when you are not a public person and a scientist who likes being scientist however failed and mediocre is that, its not sane or very human like beyond a point to keep pulling a Merrick Garland.
I have changed in the kind of left I am and have evolved past neoliberal shit that is anti my own survival though convenient to all the people who made bank frpm this.
I will be filing complaints against my last employer and everyone here in India in the private sector responsible for this as well as public officials who to this day refuse to shit it down and give me the info I have the right to directly and bring in more bullshit sousveillance, surveillance and sleuths etc
This wont age well. I really owe Nathan Robinson of Current Affairs, Yasha Levine and a number of progressive voices for guiding me and giving me a backbone and I owe EarlG and Rollo Carpenter of cleverbot and I use WhatsApp because I like Yan LeCun but whatever involved my street and home and continues to will be the source of nothing but conflict.
Thanks to Salon Magazine about 3 hours ago, this finally clicked for me after 14 long years. I saw three articles that together computed.
When I first saw this, my first instinct was No I dislike this. But they made it about me and then I am marijuana user so.
But I have never been part of anything sleazy nor neoliberal and I have no wish to be. And because all this happened in addition to my main job of strictly pure science work in my field in some small way with nothing else..I am not going to disappoint the kind of people who have been such a help to me even if they are not powerful fashionable etc.
This is a survival issue for me.
Survival as in how much more of my time and resources will go into angrily suffering something that has already laid my lfie to waste grow around me.
https://www.salon.com/2025/12/09/the-democrats-are-not-serious-people/
https://www.salon.com/2025/11/20/jeffrey-epstein-was-an-open-secret-for-years-thats-not-a-good-thing/
I have never had anything creepy in my life. Nor in my extended circle. My friends and main mentor especially are some of the best people I know and I am not going to play nice and pretend that 14 ghastly extortionate disproportionate and fucking only suited for that tabloid shit on twitter/tiktok/facebook response is possible.
This is a shameful secret. I have even written to Nathan Robinson, whom I respect a lot asking him to consider saying it isnt cool. I trust and respect Nathan. I dont know him but he has been a very influential person in my life as has Yasha Levine. But Yasha doesnt -he is not the type of person who ..I dont want to say moralizes
These guys who are depriving us all of privacy and pushing specific narratives useful to them and predatory to us and holding their own poor workers who are decent hostage with a salary, they are pretending this is incremental
Its accelerating and it is so lame and stupid.
But if is not ever pushed back its not that it will ever be not undoable but that starts with serious pushback and without this lame shit where they can take you hostage with trivialities.
When so much happened with just me, it shows the power of these lame and douchey things. If this isnt enough that you want these guys neoliberal bs and only ever remembering the last popular thing
I aim to be relatively powerless (relatively since a citizen of a democracy has some power if they dont yield to kayfabe and someone elses drivel..whether it is a mob like these assholes who have harassed me for 4 years as I was dealing with my moms death..these guys are assholes, they are misogynists and no), lacking influence, obscure but still having an income and healthcare and an environment that isnt depleted for this worthless fucking trash and democratic rights.
Marijuana legalization should not be mixed up with this trash. How shameless can you get?
I am filing allegations of misconduct and malpractice and harassment about the last 14 years.
It would be a betrayal of my colleagues, doctors, family and friends to not.
I use marijuana. I dont have secrets like these:
https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/11/20/emails-epstein-mit-harvard-trump-chomsky
I am not going along with some shit about information and hoaxes and AI etc to cover for old men who do creepy shit.
And its not all old white men etc. There are old men of all kinds like these, young men and women who protect them and engage with them.
I just never was one and its an insult to my colleague and friends and people I do engage with to not file complaints ahd keep fighting but anonymously and non performative.
My thinking has not been very clear/ I got thrown off by that influencer thing.
Grassroots activist ..thats me.
But this is an instance where the web can be used. But I dont hustle to any easy end. I use DU because I trust EarlG.
I am not paranoid.
But where there is no reason to trust there is none..and those places MIT (thats the place that drove Aaron Schwartz to suicide..its a shitnschpol though a few decent profs exist)
Its one thing to have secrets as in you protect peopel from nazis or stalkers. Its another to protect the elite and have the rest of us muddle through this
This is not an income source for me/ if anything its the opposite/ sure academics do a lot of stuff for free. I just didnt expect to have to
I am not even sure what this is.
But it is a warning. I never even heard the word kayfabe till recently.
And these guys are trying to make this a horseshoe thing as if people like progressives like me are similar to anti vaxxer or paranoid schizophrenics or targeted individuals or generic miscreants.
This is why a grifty MAHA anti-establishment thrives..think Jessica Krause. As far as I can tell the only problem persons like that have with power is when they dont get their cut. And MAGA populism is garbage like attacks on Dr Fauci.
MIT drove Aaron Schwartz to suicide. They are pretty awful and I posted a piece by Evgeny Morozov yesterday that I agree with and extend to Google/all billionaires etc.
And the controls (data or other) are all in their hands. Thats not how life works.
The sole olive branch (and a damn slender one it is) I can offer my last lab and this other awful one adjacent to it, is that provided you dont have the kind of shit Chomsky/Marvin Minsky etc do or did (and I saw no indication of anything beyond lousy neoliberal politics forced as pragmatic! And being assholes enough to back the sexism of that school over go out on a limb for an unprepossessing and incoherent postdoc, it is unpredictable from there on.
I can now see that this fits various CS games and game theory. Information and prediction etc. I am at a point where the information in the openly accessible parts of reality (AI agents, LLMs, voice assostants..maybe something like Havana Syndrome -who knows?, facebooks stupid and creepy little emotion contagion, emotion AI, VR, many online worlds!! Some sort of pathetic simulation theory etc) and less risibly and tackily cryptography for this shit environment so every harmless private random doesnt get doxxed) is enough to predict what to avoid while filin
I have seen this for 14 years and I am prepared to really truly fight these systems and their outrages given the number of them that tried to break my veins
Its always the same-use elite influence and money or control mobs on line or off.
The only nuance ever is to keep the same sleazy machine going/
Real conspiracy theory is Candace Owens to Maha. Its not being a progressive who sees bts and can atmost say well these neoliberal assholes or their fake woke real capitalism are not people I want to emulate.
I am going to log off till Jan 1, 2027. But I will spotcheck the news.
I should make my own Wordpress to dump anything into and not keep annoying DU so I can pushback in due course
The left (ie Yasha Levine and Current Affairs and Nathan Robinson have really been guides for me in what was a dark period.
I am not prone to depression. But outside of environmental issues or science, I get confused as a loner who doesnt like human mob dynamics or sleazy forms of individualism
I like solidarity. Its just personality. I like being alone. I really liked my main lab and colleagues since that was just science but with cool people/
This was confusing. I think they rehabilitate people who lead to more money or mob control faster even if they knew Epstein, worked for oe with Google till Google kicks them out. But peopel Cato etc consider a threat to junk capitalism like Paul Ehrlich are smeared.
Whatever Ehrlichs faults he is not in the Epstein files.
I dont think the Population Bomb identified the correct issues with overpopulation and the fixes were inhumane. But if you were privy to the heartless world of the elite of Stanford etc it did predict how people who are for ecocide and have deeply undemocratic views and would back genocide think. And if you are around the humanist leftists or liberals or conservadems of Stanford etc let alone their more overtly nazi right thats what you woikd expect the policy prescriptions those guys would back one way or another/ remember this microfinance loans that drove farmers to suicide
That is this type of development.
I am going to fight this to the end from now on and unpredictably.
I needed a sledgehammer to the head once I was no longer in the world of science I understand and cant be herded into the next hustle or taken hostage/
I wont retract a single paper or graph of mine/. They are low quality science but not misconduct and I am working on and will submit a mediocre quality paper in a year.
But they have never been sleazy and in bed with money and power. Thats how average scientists who also work in science and arent this disgraceful are
So shameful..humpinf retraction watch to performatively be pure while also humping Google and Facebook.
I care about the quality of science
I cant think of a single scientist I respect wjo doesnt but they dont also hump Google etc
And I am saying this so some creep on IDw or a joke like Vance and that pathetic beaglegate and Maha cant..they are not populists. They are bullshitters.
You have to stand up for what is right prioritizing properly.
I am no Gino. I am self correcting a paper I started self correcting myself and will submit it when it is of acceptable mediocrity.
The quality in science is really high. I cant aspire to more than honest mediocrity having started out with honest low quality.
Thats life/ but this shit google etc peddle is truly misconduct with democracy and civil rights etc
And Palantir and Musk are nazis.
I will do my best by reality not drivel. All sorts of people who are worst off are getting strained and we are supposed to kowtow to neoliberals and their continued lousy instincts. Fuck that..
I already get nuance and complexity
Thats why I follow Nathan Robinson ans Yasha and peope like that who are better at prioritizing and while not caving
I am solidly MeToo. I dont like Neil DeGrasse Tyson or Lawrence Krauss or Walter Lewin or Kanury Rao etc. They are creeps. I didnt think Tim Hunts joke was a big deal after his students and postdocs said he was not sexist just clunky.
It is important to scale correctly with offenses and not lower the bar but without mob rule which is very random and can be explored by Nazis
Thats why Cuomo was backed by people who claimed to be MeToo.
You gotta get these things right and I back my own instincts and not overnight but after 14 nightmarish years. Of seeing trivial shit excused and really bad stuff fly. Epstein is not a triviality. Thats as bad as it gets.
With this lack of privacy and these guys pushing shit, I want to make sure that one attacks wrong things and ignores genuine trivialities.
I thought the Tim Hunt thing was stupid given how Facebook Google and Twitter were changing the world of womens rights with data science especially.
I felt kinda sorry for Tim hunt since I can see making a socially awkward joke myself. If that is all and his students and postdocs backed him. I cant see tolerance of creeps.
Thats the thing.
And this is the shit these guys who are team power and money and wealth back always.
I cant see creepiness being okay. What is real matters.
Sept 5, 2011- Dec 10, 2025..this was the worst period of my life. I am going offline till Jan 1, 2027 wrt DU.
I will start an obscure blog known only to me to document stuff if I worry about anything. But unlikely. I think I will just work and shoot to push six fully and file all applicable complaints and not cooperate or cave.
I am grateful to EarlG and Elad and Skinner if he is still around.
I never had any mental issues. They just label progressives mental, fraudulent or whatever they can. And there is no end in sight in the lazy way. But that doesnt mean I am not pragmatic in sane ways. But no acclimation to this ott shit. I am already pragmatic in sanw ways not a neoliberal spin that exploits every calamity trom a pandemic to marijuana legalization to destroy the public sector and give more to theee parasitic neoliberals. No. Anyway.
Ill be back in a year. This is a love letter to the left..the real left and all the people who never even get heard and have hard lives versus this bullshit parade that rips everyone off.
Always attacking a person with this shit and then blaming them
Thats okay but I was just leading a quiet life and I will do that but the anonymous complainant isnt going anywhere. And lose your stupid breadcrumbs and sleuthing and get a life.
Well maybe not the blog. Yet another thing.
If I feel exasperated enough and I will find some post in this forum ..
Its not unconnected witb politics at all. Just not self serving rubbish.
I agree with Alex Skopic. The left is always correct too early.
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Well maybe not Jan 1, 2027. If it was an ordinary situation maybe. But this is the only board interact with and I have political concerns that I need help with addressing since they are tied to science, democracy, womens rights and things everyone on this board cares about.
I will admit to wanting to go and immerse myself in work and watch tv and read books and play with cats but it isnt that simple.
These people really are jerks and I cringe when I see people say more moderates and more neoliberals are the solution.
The left has helped me a lot and DU overall is more progressive than not even if not as left as Current Affairs or Yasha Levine -my two other go to sources to make sense of reality.
It has nothing to do with mental health and everything to do with science, womens rights, which left leaning people are ostracized and why (hint: green! Why? Worst for business as usual) so I find the stuff that isnt performative except very harmlessly
This trash wrt AI it really is the worst. These assholes really give all credit they can to ai. Adam Becker is wrong. Its not good autocomplete. Its a drag and a menace and it slows the human brain down. Most outrageous is that trash and that too from some creep at Google grabbing everything.
And they are always out to rehabilitate anyone who is for business as usual. The other day I saw one of these things where two sets of assholes were in conflict and I couldnt even tell which was worse.
This douchebag who isnt even a scientist and very wedded to for profit journals and hates open access as too me, me, me unlike this pos who is apparently a paragon of humanitarianism :
https://www.the-geyser.com/retractions-are-stressful-good/
Even there like a classic toady that Stanford piece of shit he doesnt attack. This asshole interviews people like that sleazy Roger MacNamee. Yeah that guy..a sleazy venture capitalist of the type who backs shit first and then makes bank attacking it shouldnt be stressed but your average measly scientist
People like this arse is why I wont retract a single of shoddy work of mine. I am already correcting/ I was never a sleazy handmaid who made money from anything and I was paid 45 k at my peak earning and since then have been engaged in unpaid self correction
It is true I dont go and harass my colleagues and Retraction Watch 😤! I go on the system of trust having seen the corrupt system of paranoia that is in bed with creeps like Google
I dont defend bad science. My main mentor was one of the best scientists I knew and I owe him nothing less than rhe best a mediocre far left radical feminist crazy person who is all me me me unlike the humble and douchey I mean awesome Kent Anderson
I really hate that self conscious humping of Retraction Watch to tell all other scientists how virtuous you are.
And usually those are people who have no problem with the rest of this shit system.
Yeah fuck that. I am self correcting my work. I trust mt colleagues and most doctors and think Kent Anderson can go fuck himself. Gee why doesnt anyone like jfz9580m?
Can you imagine this collection of sleazy creepy toad eating douches having access to your interior? Thats hell.
Its not Yashas spectacle.,
But we need to preserve the best people, not attack people like Dr Fauci and instead attack this money grubbing, toad eating Kent Anderson type.
We need to support MeToo feminism not girlboss feminism instead of nuance attacking women anew.
I was never for attacking random men going around having meltdowns of their own.
But actual creeps and misogynists and these intrusive and prying systems filled with extortionate bullies that attack people they can get away with attacking or people where attacking them actively helps maintain the status quo but quickly rehabilitating creeps and wealthy frauds
Thats not cool. And I was thinking of a Zenos paradox post by PCInterb and thinking I like the idea of infinity in a way. Not insanely but we are so regressive as a society that without constantly staying ahead of an evolving creepy neoliberal right wing thing with no priorities and ensuring that only the worst things survive ..
Probably everything is doomed but one has to at least try.
It is best this stuff spills out here.
In a world filled with people monetizing everything ..I have really diy learnt lefty stuff like Abbie Hoffmans Steal this book or about Emma Goldman. Not in any depth but to figure out how to make sense of a world where everything is so depressingly mercenary or creepy.
Its why Yasha Levine or Nathan Robinson or DU, the places clean ..or clean enough for me..I dont do purity stupidly
But not selling shit for money or in sleazy self serving ways at a time when so much of democracy is under attack and ghastly faux populist shit,
I liked that Alex Galbraith piece. I have never made money from my anything but publicly funded research and a piddly amount at that. An eecs dept fleeced me as did the sleazy hospital at my last workplace. My parents were public servants with pensions and I am a childfree only child. And I moved back to my country in the global south. These are the only reasons I could manage to persist in completing this paper on my terms and rejecting what is almost certainly a stupid and creepy AI agent that was with me.
Some time in 2019 when I finally regretfully concluded that I had been wrong about one of my data sets and was mentally composing and embarrassed email to my old mentor, I went back to my computer and my t-tests in my graphing and analysis software was broken. Its not schizophrenia and it was not a coincidence. At the time I thought it was some stalkerish human who had hacked my computer. Just recently it made sense that that was probably one of those stupid creepy AI agents/
Its been like that for 14 years/ this shitty trashy tech and other ill conceived garbage AI and human experiments
Like what pathetic human would sign up for that disgusting sexist shithole Stanfords 100 years of AI experiment? And Google is outright malpractice and misconduct as is all this other crap
Eventually I will find people at the NIH I trust to abort the whole thing so none of the pis I met at any point are affected. I have never met a pi who was sleazy or creepy.
I personally think that any tolerance of Google is stupid and gullible and that any pi who works in publiclt funded science and doesnt see a coup by those data miners and defence contractors has somewhat broken politics and worse where they may get some funding like that themselves..its myopic since this Maha maga brigade that does that kayfabe with the technofascists will yell deep state and then they passively will agree by staying silent that people like me are crazy and far left while these guys loot the place and thats stupid and short sighted
No ori replacement from google or the bogus kind of open science which is lameass internet histrionics and sleuthing and spectacles rather than genuine solidarity with your colleagues at the bottom who try over rushing to rehabilitate the next creep or guessing using mob mood
Scientists should want a civilized society.
The left which I was always secretly sympathetic to while trying ineffectively to pass for moderate, has given me a real backbone and I am grateful for that.
Its going to be hard ahead but its a good sign when people fight as much as they can with what resources they can. Its not very like me to be this vociferous and so ..its not shit tech or another superficial thing. But it is a good sign and you all need it and they should be told to shove it..people like Kent Anderson.
I mean he is a total random
But my point is like the vaccines where they deprioritized the worst off people, with all these data leaks etc and creeps like Zuckerberg wanting to normalize data leaks
This hostage situation with this administration and creeps like Musk whose dad is accused of pedophilia and musk himself has sexual harassment allegations..
I have been dealing with so much violating crap for years/ but no one I care about is compromised and nor am I
But I would totally expect the next move by these guys to be using data leaks in ways that trigger chaos and unrest and its up to us to attack serious issues and not pile on when it is a bad joke etc.
I have bounced back from my sleazy former employers attack and plan to take the war into their camp. Not my mentor ..he was merely annoying.
But definitely the psychiatric department at that school, the shoddy irb and ties to Google and defence contracting in general
I think thats it for now/ I hope to only be back Jan 1, 2027 by when I hope this paper is finished and I supplement low quality work with mediocre work to round out my portfolio before attacking all parties involved in these creepy and stupid human science experiments who should be attacked.
I never even meet them. One unfortunate part about being a barely veiled militant feminist type is these really creepy guys kinda avoid you but you can feel their effects in your life. I think some decent men are confused about feminism. I met this one psychiatrist out in ca who was a decent man and got that I was mentally not unwell and got that the institution was a pos. But i think he thinks those entitled and awful Sheryl Sandberg types out there are feminists. They are not.
No feminist could stand those men. They are women who are for these stupid social media wars thst lead to trump being elected so no real rules and regulations ever come up but a bogus version of woke with no substance can be used to attack women men and reality. They are all about mobbing.
Actual feminists are only scary to creeps and men attacking womens rights not all men. Priorities..its these men who try to pretend that data science AI etc are not just skewed male, they are skewed creepy and sexist male..since these are such in democratic fields
The people I met at my last horrible employers shithole who went on to become data scientists were the better and more decent types of data scientists. But the field overall is filled with people normalizing the shit google and Facebook do and thats all about control and poor data hygiene and its not cool.
MeToo showed the extent of creepiness bts and thats not environment in which to trust random men and I dont trust the creeps here.
They are making society creeper all the time.its not like routine life
Its human behavior that is either deliberately conspiratorial nor decent. Its somewhere in between and it degrades all time
This shouldnt be this hard to communicate but people in those fields and their shills control the narrative and keep normalizing more and more excesses and it raises the bar so high on anyone trying to work decently in this environment. And thats okay but then the corollary is no mercy for the low bar creeps.
Do the right thing instead of always worrying about image and impression and calling out people who fight these things as me me me narcissists etc while championing the people who are narcissists
I am always attacking the people at the very top or if not at that level..whatever Kent Anderson is..what a douchebag that guy is.
I am not attacking DUers or randoms
I may not entirely stay offline. I dont buy into shit like internet addiction AA style. I just didnt want it to take time away from work at this point and I had to rant this out
Its going to end up being a long legal conflict because it has to be. It affected my livelihood and health and still does and I dont have a future as an influencer or someone making bank from the worst experiences of their life
Which means I have to work to fight all these tech companies here and maybe it will help you over there. But it started there and I dont know who it is here and Id want to get that info from those assholes there.
That aside Ill try a semblance of a normal life. Outside of these rants which I dont even know who can see since I feel trapped in an endless CS experiment of some sort.