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Related: About this forumTexas shooter evaded background check by purchasing weapon in private sale
Source: CBS/AP
SEPTEMBER 3, 2019 / 4:21 PM / CBS/AP
The 36-year-old gunman who killed seven people and wounded 22 others in West Texas on Saturday purchased his AR-style rifle from a private seller, federal law enforcement sources confirmed to CBS News. The purchase allowed the gunman to evade a federal background check. Sources also say the gunman was previously denied a gun purchase because he was determined to be mentally unfit.
The investigation into who sold the weapon is ongoing. Authorities said the gunman was killed by officers outside a busy movie theater in Odessa. It was at least the 38th mass killing this year.
Online court records show the gunman, identified as Seth Aaron Ator, was arrested in 2001 for a misdemeanor offense that would not have prevented him from legally purchasing firearms in Texas.
FBI special agent Christopher Combs said Ator "was on a long spiral down" before the shooting on the day he was fired from his trucking job. He went to work that day "in trouble," Combs said. He said the place where the gunman lived was "a strange residence" and that the condition reflected "what his mental state was going into this."
Jeff Pegues contributed to this report.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-shooter-evaded-background-check-by-purchasing-weapon-private-sale-2019-09-03/
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Require that the transaction be done at a police station with paperwork showing a background check has been done. And issue/require a Bill of Sale with a copy going to the IRS so the proceeds are treated as income, with taxes due.
Runningdawg
(4,632 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)hack89
(39,180 posts)Runningdawg
(4,632 posts)hack89
(39,180 posts)so private sales are not an issue. Many cities and states have the same requirement.
Runningdawg
(4,632 posts)EVERYONE knows you don't go inside. The real deals are in the parking lot. I have been with people who have bought and sold guns in this manner. Cops/security driving around and never see a thing...I want to know how they are going to stop THAT.
hack89
(39,180 posts)after that, you have to convince the public it is worth the effort.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)For any private party sale of anything?
Runningdawg
(4,632 posts)brokered by an authorised dealer who will comply with all the background checks and submit the proper forms to the proper authorities. The buyer/seller can quibble over who pays his fee. ALL weapons should be required to have a certified bill of sale. If you can't prove you own it, you don't get to keep it + fine and jail time for multiple offenses. Catch a dealer faking it, automatic prison time.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Instead of paying a dealer to run the NICS background check, why not let the private seller do it instead of prohibiting the private seller from doing it?
Runningdawg
(4,632 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,603 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I (and many, many others) have long advocated for publicly available background checks.
So far, we have all been studiously ignored by the gun-averse
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,603 posts)It's not about guns; it's about control.
(My little poem for today.)
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)However I know of no one who has been prosecuted for this.
aikoaiko
(34,204 posts)Boom. Done.
Straw Man
(6,800 posts)... we've been told on here that average citizens can't be trusted not to use the NICS system for frivolous and slanderous reasons. This assumes, of course, that the miscreants would be willing to risk the felony charges involving in creating fraudulent and fictitious gun purchases just to potentially embarrass an enemy.
MartinLane
(37 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:08 PM - Edit history (1)
NICS was never intended to be universal and never intended to be accessed by the public. Private sales are for the most part the default method of buying guns in the USA. Sales from FFL's are common but not really the norm.
yagotme
(4,016 posts)NICS was set up to be used by LE, not bombarded on a larger scale by civilian use. FFL sales are usually the norm, as this is the only way to get newly made firearms and newly imported surplus arms into circulation. Some used firearms go through FFL's some don't. No way to get #'s on the latter for comparison.