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NNadir

(37,418 posts)
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 01:18 PM Yesterday

Recalling being raised into racism through Boy Scouting.

I'm an old man, but when I was a child, one of the things one did at a certain age was to join the Boy Scouts.

I did this, and was sometimes sent on Boy Scouting adventures; once winning two weeks at a camp in an essay contest, another time being nominated for "training" for leadership; and once being elected to the semi-secret cultish "Order of the Arrow."

Right now I'm reading, in slow excerpts at bedtime, a history of the awful British Empire, which I've mentioned in this forum earlier. It's this one: Legacy of Violence: A History of the British Empire

The Boy Scouts - they always let you know this - was founded by "Lord" Baden Powell, a soldier participating in the violence of the British empire. We were taught as Boy Scouts that Baden Powell was a great and good man.

Bullshit.

From his Wikipedia page:

n 1876, Baden-Powell joined the 13th Hussars in India with the rank of lieutenant. In 1880 he was charged with the task of drawing maps of the Battle of Maiwand. He enhanced and honed his military scouting skills amidst the Zulu in the early 1880s in the Natal Province of South Africa, where his regiment had been posted, and where he was mentioned in dispatches. In 1890, he was brevetted Major as military secretary and senior aide-de-camp to the Commander-in-Chief and Governor of Malta, his uncle General Sir Henry Augustus Smyth.[14] He was posted to Malta for three years, also working as an intelligence officer for the Mediterranean for the Director of Military Intelligence.[14] He wrote that he once travelled disguised as a butterfly collector, incorporating plans of military installations into his drawings of butterfly wings.[22] In 1884 he published Reconnaissance and Scouting.[23]

Baden-Powell returned to Africa in 1896, and served in the Second Matabele War, in the expedition to relieve British South Africa Company personnel under siege in Bulawayo.[24] This was a formative experience for him not only because he commanded reconnaissance missions into enemy territory in the Matopos Hills, but because many of his later Boy Scout ideas took hold here.[25] It was during this campaign that he first met and befriended the American scout Frederick Russell Burnham, who introduced Baden-Powell to stories of the American Old West and woodcraft (i.e., Scoutcraft), and here that he was introduced to Montana Peaked version of a western cowboy hat, of which Stetson was a prolific manufacturer, and which also came to be known as a campaign hat and the many versatile and practical uses of a neckerchief.[14]

Baden-Powell was accused of illegally executing a prisoner of war in 1896, the Matabele chief Uwini, who had been promised his life would be spared if he surrendered.[26] Uwini was sentenced to be shot by firing squad by a military court, a sentence Baden-Powell confirmed. Baden-Powell was cleared by a military court of inquiry, but the colonial civil authorities wanted a civil investigation and trial. Baden-Powell later claimed he was "released without a stain on my character".[27]

After Rhodesia, Baden-Powell served in the Fourth Ashanti War on the Gold Coast. In 1897, at the age of 40, he was brevetted colonel (the youngest colonel in the British Army) and given command of the 5th Dragoon Guards in India...


Why is this on my mind? I don't really know how, but when digging out from our recent snow and ice storm, I found the catchy tune and lyrics of a song that we frequently sang in the Boy Scouts, the "Zulu King" popped into my mind. It's an openly racist song:

Oh the Zulu king with the big nose-ring
Fell in love with a sweet young queen
And every night by the pale moon light
In the forest he would sing
A hug and a kiss for the Zulu Miss
Underneath the shining stars
And every night by the pale moon light
In the forest he would sing...


As Rogers and Hammerstein put it in the lyrics to "South Pacific" based on James Mitchener's book, which also had white supremacy undertones but at least questioned them, "you've be carefully taught:"



There was some pressure in my community for me to put my sons in Boy Scouts, something I refused because of their homophobic policies as well as the fact that I'm an atheist, which doesn't go over well in that group.

I refused to bend to this pressure. Beware of what one teaches without knowing what one is doing.
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Recalling being raised into racism through Boy Scouting. (Original Post) NNadir Yesterday OP
I'm starting to question a lot of things about my traditional American littlemissmartypants Yesterday #1
You ain't the only one rurallib Yesterday #2
Ditto. Walk to my own drum beat now. littlemissmartypants Yesterday #3
You're welcome. The internet lyrics to the song are different than the way we were taught to sing it. NNadir Yesterday #4

littlemissmartypants

(32,218 posts)
1. I'm starting to question a lot of things about my traditional American
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 02:27 PM
Yesterday

Upbringing. Thanks for this.

NNadir

(37,418 posts)
4. You're welcome. The internet lyrics to the song are different than the way we were taught to sing it.
Mon Jan 26, 2026, 02:54 PM
Yesterday

The internet version:

And every night by the pale moon light
In the forest he would sing...


The version I recall us singing:

And every night by the pale moon light
In the forest he would swing


The implication as we sang it was that the Zulu king was a monkey, of course.

As it coursed through my brain, I recognized the racism. I probably didn't do so at the time.

I'm not sure if I've recalled that song in 50 years, and why I did so this morning, I have no idea.

It may have to do with reading the book on the awful realities of the British Empire, only one of the horrible European Colonial practices.

I recall hearing the word for the Kenyan anti-imperialist warriors, the Mau-Mau revolt, "Mau-Mau" being used as a derogatory term.

One of the most beautiful movies in our personal library is, interestingly, Nowhere in Africa based on Stephanie Zweig's fictionalized autobiography. It is a tale of the family of a German Jewish lawyer who escaped the Nazis by signing on to run a farm in British Kenya in order to get out of Germany.

A subtle point is made at one point in the movie, in a set of lines given to the character played by Sidede Onyulo that the White People in Africa are understood to be weaklings by the indigenous people, a point he makes subtlety with great kindness and restraint, explaining why his wife doesn't need him; she does fine by herself whereas the European cannot function well in Kenya and he feels compelled to help them with great mercy and forbearance.

Interestingly, at one point in the movie, the German Jews are interned by the British for being German after the Second World War broke out.

I recommend this movie highly. My wife and I have seen it several times; she asked for a copy for her Birthday, and of course, I got it for her. It's now 20 years old, trilingual (as was Stephanie Zweig), English, German and Swahili.
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