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Marthe48

(19,620 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:20 PM Saturday

Organic flour vs unbleached flour

My daughter got me a bag of organic, non GMO all purpose flour. I used some at Thanksgiving to make yeast rolls. They tasted ok, but the interior was darker than the unbleached flour I usually use. I baked a loaf of bread yesterday, using the steps and ingredients I always do, except using the organic flour. I let the sponge work, then kneaded and shaped into a loaf. I noticed that while kneading, the dough didn't take as much flour off the board before it was ready to shape. I let the loaf raise in a greased pan. I give the sponge about an hour, then the loaf an hour, and then about 48 minutes to bake. I noticed when I put the loaf in the oven that it had risen, but the top crust was sinking. After baking, I buttered the top and covered the loaf in the pan with a couple paper towels. I took it out after it was cooled and parts of the crust had stuck to the pan. When I cut a slice, it looked more like whole wheat bread in color. Overall, this isn't my best effort.

I'm wondering about the color, the falling and the sticking. Should using organic flour result in these differences? I can live with the color, but not crazy about the appearance or that it stuck. Are there any tips to work with this flour to make a better loaf? Thanks!

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Organic flour vs unbleached flour (Original Post) Marthe48 Saturday OP
I found this Kali Saturday #1
I was wondering about what part of the wheat is in the flour Marthe48 Saturday #2
other things I am reading say it should handle the same as all purpose Kali Saturday #3
Luckily it was a gift Marthe48 Saturday #7
try organic "bread" flour. that's what i use and i love it. Native Saturday #4
I only use organic, non-GMO, WW flour... buzzycrumbhunger Saturday #5
Beautiful result! Marthe48 Saturday #6
A little sugar accellerates the yeast. Old Crank Tuesday #12
I used to proof the yeast in sugar and warm water Marthe48 Tuesday #13
Beautiful. Is this 100% whole wheat? enough Saturday #8
Not 100% buzzycrumbhunger Sunday #9
Thank you buzzycrumbhunger! enough Tuesday #14
Do you usually use all-purpose flour for this bread recipe? surrealAmerican Monday #10
Thanks for the tip Marthe48 Monday #11

Kali

(55,941 posts)
1. I found this
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:30 PM
Saturday
Organic flour has its bran and germ still, resulting in a healthier and more nutrition packed product, where all-purpose flour, lacks these components, yielding a less nutritious option. Choosing organic flour also supports sustainable farming! Organic grains also absorbs more nutrients from the soil.Feb 28, 2024


if true (and I have no idea, haven't looked more than a few seconds) the bran and germ would certainly impact results. kind of like whole wheat flour handles way different than all purpose.

Marthe48

(19,620 posts)
2. I was wondering about what part of the wheat is in the flour
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:33 PM
Saturday

I avoided baking with whole wheat because I heard it was harder to get to rise.

I don't put sugar in my bread, maybe I'll have to until I'm done with this bag od flour.

Kali

(55,941 posts)
3. other things I am reading say it should handle the same as all purpose
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:42 PM
Saturday

so maybe you just got an off bag or something, I don't know. it just seems to me if it is that different in form or "ingredients," it would make sense that it would handle differently. interesting question, but I bet that stuff is pretty expensive to experiment with.

buzzycrumbhunger

(938 posts)
5. I only use organic, non-GMO, WW flour...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:26 PM
Saturday

… and never ever have had trouble with it rising.

It could be that the extra bran needed extra liquid you didn’t expect. I can’t recall the last time I had a loaf bomb on me. I usually get a way better spring than supermarket flour because the whole grain is more sturdy in general.

This one is kasha bread, which is boosted by the addition of soaked/pureed raisins as the liquid—always good for a big spring!

Marthe48

(19,620 posts)
6. Beautiful result!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:55 PM
Saturday

I kneaded the bread until it was sticky, left about 1/2 cup of flour on the board.

I've been making bread without sugar for several years when I started on a low carb food plan. I wanted to avoid adding sugar, but I think it might help bread with this flour to rise. The rolls I baked at Thanksgiving had sugar, butter, cream and milk in the dough and they came out pretty

Old Crank

(5,104 posts)
12. A little sugar accellerates the yeast.
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 11:38 AM
Tuesday

In a pound of flour I have seen calls for 1 teaspoon to 1 Tablespoon. Especially if you are using dryed yeast and proofing it first. The sugar shouldn't last very long in the recipe before the yeast turns to the flour. There would be essentially no residual sugar.

Marthe48

(19,620 posts)
13. I used to proof the yeast in sugar and warm water
Tue Jan 14, 2025, 12:09 PM
Tuesday

I had been trying to reduce my blood sugar and things I tried didn't work. I got angry with the numbers and dropped all added sugar out of my diet. I did well for a year and a half, lost almost 50 lbs. then slowly started adding things back, including weight
If I bake rolls, I use the maximum of sugar, butter and milk instead of water. King's Hawaiian has nothing on me!

The bread I bake has a nice texture without the sugar. I don't want to use the organic flour for bread again, but I might make quick bread with it.

Thank you!

buzzycrumbhunger

(938 posts)
9. Not 100%
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 06:11 PM
Sunday

It’s got a good measure of gently roasted buckwheat groats, as well. They end up like sparkling stars throughout the loaves and make a nice nutty addition. (The kasha is light so has a little crunch but not at all chewy.)

Another variation I love is to use 1/2 to 1 c. of coarse corn meal (softened in hot water and cooled to warm before adding to the dough) in addition to the WW flour. It makes a much more dense loaf but wow—the flavour is amazing! Even without sugar in the loaf, it’s sweet, and makes an awesome companion to a bowl of chili. Just a drizzle of honey on the toasted slices makes it breakfast ambrosia, as well.

Whole grain breads can be a bit tricky but I discovered Laurel’s Kitchen Bread Book years ago, which is a great resource, especially if you're used to supermarket flours. Haven’t hit a clunker in that book ever.

Perhaps the most amazing gem in that book is her WW desem—a WHEAT sourdough! Takes some time to get the starter going, but there’s nothing else like it!

surrealAmerican

(11,524 posts)
10. Do you usually use all-purpose flour for this bread recipe?
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 04:37 PM
Monday

If you normally use "bread flour", this flour will not behave the same without adding some more gluten to it.

Marthe48

(19,620 posts)
11. Thanks for the tip
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 05:29 PM
Monday

I use Kroger all purpose unbleached white flour, and it does fine. I make a loaf of bread about every 10 days to 2 weeks:

Sponge:
1 1/2 cups warm water
1 cup of white flour
1/2 tsp salt
1-2 Tbs olive oil
1-2 tsp yeast

Dough:
2-3 cup of flour
1 egg or 1/4 cup mayo

I mix this together and let it work for an hour. Then I add an egg (lately 1/4 cup mayo) and another 1-2 cups of flour. I mix till I get a soft dough. I don't really measure the ingredients, but this is close. I put wax paper on the counter, and put a cup more or less of white flour on the wax paper. I knead the dough until it is not sticky and won't take any more flour. I put it in a greased 2 lb load pan, cover it and let it rise in the oven with the light on. I let it raise an hour, then remove from the oven, preheat the oven to 350 and bake the loaf for 48 minutes.

I've been using mayo since the price of eggs went up and I had an open jar I didn't want to waste. I started putting an egg in a year or so ago and liked the result. Since I'm using mayo, I reduced the amount of olive oil from maybe 2 Tbs to 1 Tbs. I use the bread to make toast, really good for that.

I'll save the organic flour for some other recipes.



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