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My daughter got me a bag of organic, non GMO all purpose flour. I used some at Thanksgiving to make yeast rolls. They tasted ok, but the interior was darker than the unbleached flour I usually use. I baked a loaf of bread yesterday, using the steps and ingredients I always do, except using the organic flour. I let the sponge work, then kneaded and shaped into a loaf. I noticed that while kneading, the dough didn't take as much flour off the board before it was ready to shape. I let the loaf raise in a greased pan. I give the sponge about an hour, then the loaf an hour, and then about 48 minutes to bake. I noticed when I put the loaf in the oven that it had risen, but the top crust was sinking. After baking, I buttered the top and covered the loaf in the pan with a couple paper towels. I took it out after it was cooled and parts of the crust had stuck to the pan. When I cut a slice, it looked more like whole wheat bread in color. Overall, this isn't my best effort.
I'm wondering about the color, the falling and the sticking. Should using organic flour result in these differences? I can live with the color, but not crazy about the appearance or that it stuck. Are there any tips to work with this flour to make a better loaf? Thanks!
Kali
(55,941 posts)if true (and I have no idea, haven't looked more than a few seconds) the bran and germ would certainly impact results. kind of like whole wheat flour handles way different than all purpose.
Marthe48
(19,620 posts)I avoided baking with whole wheat because I heard it was harder to get to rise.
I don't put sugar in my bread, maybe I'll have to until I'm done with this bag od flour.
Kali
(55,941 posts)so maybe you just got an off bag or something, I don't know. it just seems to me if it is that different in form or "ingredients," it would make sense that it would handle differently. interesting question, but I bet that stuff is pretty expensive to experiment with.
Marthe48
(19,620 posts)It is Cascade Farm brand
Native
(6,702 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(938 posts)
and never ever have had trouble with it rising.
It could be that the extra bran needed extra liquid you didnt expect. I cant recall the last time I had a loaf bomb on me. I usually get a way better spring than supermarket flour because the whole grain is more sturdy in general.
This one is kasha bread, which is boosted by the addition of soaked/pureed raisins as the liquidalways good for a big spring!
Marthe48
(19,620 posts)I kneaded the bread until it was sticky, left about 1/2 cup of flour on the board.
I've been making bread without sugar for several years when I started on a low carb food plan. I wanted to avoid adding sugar, but I think it might help bread with this flour to rise. The rolls I baked at Thanksgiving had sugar, butter, cream and milk in the dough and they came out pretty
Old Crank
(5,104 posts)In a pound of flour I have seen calls for 1 teaspoon to 1 Tablespoon. Especially if you are using dryed yeast and proofing it first. The sugar shouldn't last very long in the recipe before the yeast turns to the flour. There would be essentially no residual sugar.
Marthe48
(19,620 posts)I had been trying to reduce my blood sugar and things I tried didn't work. I got angry with the numbers and dropped all added sugar out of my diet. I did well for a year and a half, lost almost 50 lbs. then slowly started adding things back, including weight
If I bake rolls, I use the maximum of sugar, butter and milk instead of water. King's Hawaiian has nothing on me!
The bread I bake has a nice texture without the sugar. I don't want to use the organic flour for bread again, but I might make quick bread with it.
Thank you!
enough
(13,475 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(938 posts)Its got a good measure of gently roasted buckwheat groats, as well. They end up like sparkling stars throughout the loaves and make a nice nutty addition. (The kasha is light so has a little crunch but not at all chewy.)
Another variation I love is to use 1/2 to 1 c. of coarse corn meal (softened in hot water and cooled to warm before adding to the dough) in addition to the WW flour. It makes a much more dense loaf but wowthe flavour is amazing! Even without sugar in the loaf, its sweet, and makes an awesome companion to a bowl of chili. Just a drizzle of honey on the toasted slices makes it breakfast ambrosia, as well.
Whole grain breads can be a bit tricky but I discovered Laurels Kitchen Bread Book years ago, which is a great resource, especially if you're used to supermarket flours. Havent hit a clunker in that book ever.
Perhaps the most amazing gem in that book is her WW desema WHEAT sourdough! Takes some time to get the starter going, but theres nothing else like it!
enough
(13,475 posts)surrealAmerican
(11,524 posts)If you normally use "bread flour", this flour will not behave the same without adding some more gluten to it.
Marthe48
(19,620 posts)I use Kroger all purpose unbleached white flour, and it does fine. I make a loaf of bread about every 10 days to 2 weeks:
Sponge:
1 1/2 cups warm water
1 cup of white flour
1/2 tsp salt
1-2 Tbs olive oil
1-2 tsp yeast
Dough:
2-3 cup of flour
1 egg or 1/4 cup mayo
I mix this together and let it work for an hour. Then I add an egg (lately 1/4 cup mayo) and another 1-2 cups of flour. I mix till I get a soft dough. I don't really measure the ingredients, but this is close. I put wax paper on the counter, and put a cup more or less of white flour on the wax paper. I knead the dough until it is not sticky and won't take any more flour. I put it in a greased 2 lb load pan, cover it and let it rise in the oven with the light on. I let it raise an hour, then remove from the oven, preheat the oven to 350 and bake the loaf for 48 minutes.
I've been using mayo since the price of eggs went up and I had an open jar I didn't want to waste. I started putting an egg in a year or so ago and liked the result. Since I'm using mayo, I reduced the amount of olive oil from maybe 2 Tbs to 1 Tbs. I use the bread to make toast, really good for that.
I'll save the organic flour for some other recipes.