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Retrograde

(10,791 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:53 PM Jan 7

When you learn one of your go-to foods

that you think you invented is actually an age-old dish: the NYT magazine this week had an article on yamatsuki, a Japanese cabbage preparation. Basically, it consists of chopping cabbage, mixing it with a lot of salt, letting stand for a few hours, and, after rinsing, add sesame oil and sesame seeds. We've been making this for years (aside from the sesame) and calling it Quick Pickled Cabbage - it's a staple chez nous.

Anyone else ever find out that what they thought was their own invention was a traditional food from elsewhere? It fits into my hypothesis that there are only about seven different foods, and everything is a variation on a theme.

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When you learn one of your go-to foods (Original Post) Retrograde Jan 7 OP
I'm Nowhere Near As Creative As You, Retrograde The Roux Comes First Jan 8 #1
I've been eating avocado toast since 1970 intrepidity Jan 8 #2
If you came up with it on your own, you created it and deserve praise. Now, if you read a cookbook. . . . . Silent Type Jan 8 #3
All my inventions failed. usonian Jan 8 #4
That's very clever NJCher Jan 8 #6
I used to think... 2naSalit Jan 8 #5
Get yourself a copy of NJCher Jan 8 #7
I would call what you were making ... surrealAmerican Jan 8 #8
Here in Germany it is Friscessauerkraut Old Crank Friday #9

The Roux Comes First

(1,607 posts)
1. I'm Nowhere Near As Creative As You, Retrograde
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:00 AM
Jan 8

I'm prone in my cooking to start with a recipe, and when my wife isn't looking I might improvise a bit, as long as there isn't too much capsaicin or allium involved, if you know what I mean.

But I cannot claim to be much of a recipe-improvisor.

I devour Cooks and Milk Street, as well as the NYT food and multiple cookbooks every year. (My Korea is great.)

But, I agree, the idea that you could come up with a truly "new recipe" is a stretch. I have at least three recipes within reach right now that are at least first cousins of yours.

intrepidity

(7,966 posts)
2. I've been eating avocado toast since 1970
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:05 AM
Jan 8

My friend had an avocado tree and this was our favorite way to eat them: smashed with salt and garlic powder and spread on white toast.

Silent Type

(7,617 posts)
3. If you came up with it on your own, you created it and deserve praise. Now, if you read a cookbook. . . . .
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:15 AM
Jan 8

usonian

(15,162 posts)
4. All my inventions failed.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 01:13 AM
Jan 8

I'll stick to computers, photography and electronics for my creativity kick.

I can't even get popovers to pop, several recipes. Will keep trying.

I don't know if the front and back bagel is my own invention.

I don't see it. Let me take some photos.

Start with a bagel.


Cut it in half.


Then cut one half ALMOST all the way.


And spread the two halves apart, but still attached.


The front-and-back bagel.

It helps to have an advanced degree in geometry or woodworking, but doable by anyone.

copyright © 2025 Usonian Kitchens

2naSalit

(94,178 posts)
5. I used to think...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 07:09 AM
Jan 8

That I was "making up" recipes only to find that I had intuited some creation from some other part of the world confirmed by my mentor who knew everything you could know about food. I used to try to play "stump the chef" with her but she always won.

What I did learn from her, among many other things, was how to build a dish by understanding what works together and what doesn't whether it's a food component or a spice combination. That took a while. I didn't realize I could actually cook until someone Tom Sawyered me into taking a job in a commercial kitchen that led me to a whole bunch of kitchen cook/management jobs. It was interesting but everything is heavy and I can't do heavy lifting anymore.

Now I cook for myself, mostly, and for friends on occasion but nothing big.

But back to your question, I think that just about everything has been made somewhere at some time, it;s a matter of presentation and discovery on an individual level.

surrealAmerican

(11,524 posts)
8. I would call what you were making ...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 06:24 PM
Jan 8

... "new kraut". This was a thing I would see sometimes when I was a kid in New York.
It might have been regional, or maybe just fell out of fashion. I haven't seen the stuff in about 45 years, but I live in the mid-west.

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