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douglas9

(4,512 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:38 PM Saturday

There are a lot of bitter people here, I'm one of them': rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his bro

The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible.

The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones.”

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining ­manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/11/there-are-a-lot-of-bitter-people-here-im-one-of-them-rust-belt-voters-on-why-they-backed-trump-again-despite-his-broken-promises

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There are a lot of bitter people here, I'm one of them': rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his bro (Original Post) douglas9 Saturday OP
bigotry is their calling card The Wizard Saturday #1
Good article. sop Saturday #2
Don't want to just say... Hope22 Saturday #3
But all of this was foretold DAngelo136 Saturday #4
I really don't understand this article Raven123 Saturday #5
No diner, but the next best thing - scratching lottery tickets in a cigarette store!!!! hatrack Saturday #6
The media in those areas owned my Sinclair has slowly rotted the brains of the Ohioans to think and vote against their kimbutgar Saturday #7

sop

(11,927 posts)
2. Good article.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:13 PM
Saturday

Apparently, Trump voters in Youngstown don't like it when Democrats talk about justice for other people: "White voters point to conversations about justice – for racial minorities, for the children of immigrants, for women worried about losing their reproductive rights, for transgender teenagers – and question why nobody ever talks about justice for them."

DAngelo136

(320 posts)
4. But all of this was foretold
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:47 PM
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Umair Haque in 2020 told us as much. While we were getting our "news" from Zuckerberg and Musk, others were actually paying attention:https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/queensbirthday/audio/2018748791/umair-haque-is-america-really-screwed

"I keep getting this question from Americans: How did we get here, and can we do anything about it? And I don't think that we can now I think it's too late."
Public health, public education and a paid retirement, which are taken for granted in many countries, are now beyond America's reach, Haque says.
"America never invested in those things. The rest of the rich world began to invest in those things from the '50s through to the '70s and now pretty much everyone enjoys that. America was the only one that didn't invest in those things.
"Can America write a social contract in which the average American enjoys those things? When you look at the economics the hard truth is that 80 percent of Americans now live pay check-to-pay check. Right on the edge of perpetual financial catastrophe.
"So, we come along and say 'sure you can have what the rest of the world takes for granted, all you have to do is pay an extra 10 to 20 percent in taxes'. The problem is they can't afford it."

He goes on to say: One of things that has happened in America is that because the white American majority is so racist, they didn't understand that the consequences of their racism was going to be their own impoverishment a few decades later."

The Reaganite "counter-revolution" of the 1980s was underpinned by racism, he says.
"It said we don't have to build any public goods - healthcare, retirement education - all of these things.
"And a lot of that was driven by white people thinking I won't invest in them, I'm not going to pay for those kids' schools, those peoples' retirement.
"Those 'people' of course being black, brown, Asian, Mexican whatever - other people.
"As a result of that kind of thinking, a few decades from then, they themselves wouldn't have things like public healthcare, education, retirement, public transport because those things, either all the society has them, or nobody does."

Raven123

(6,188 posts)
5. I really don't understand this article
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:48 PM
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“ Trump, in other words, has exposed the Democrats as hollow and ineffectual as much as he has proposed any viable alternative. ”

What alternative? I didn’t read alternatives identified in the article. If these folks are really upset about big banks and voted for Trump, they are truly delusional. The person who has concerns about being able to afford care for his health condition, but voted for Trump anyway speaks volumes. To me he is saying he would cut off his nose to spite his face.

hatrack

(61,393 posts)
6. No diner, but the next best thing - scratching lottery tickets in a cigarette store!!!!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:24 PM
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“We just want a change, a change in the weather,” a retired aluminium worker wanting to go just by his first name, Paul, said as he sat with a group of friends in a cigarette shop in Struthers, a down-at-heel overwhelmingly white Youngstown suburb once known for its thick clusters of bars, pizza parlours, strip clubs and illegal gambling joints.

Paul and his friends come to the shop most days not to smoke – smoking is not allowed – but to scratch away at lottery tickets and reminisce about the old days, when a single factory salary could support a whole family and the main drag in Struthers was packed every Friday night with working men flush with their weekly pay packet.

Back then, a local mafia ran the gambling rackets, which were secreted away in the back rooms of laundries or in private clubs posing as something innocuous like a knitting circle.

Ed. - Emphasis added - also, the Good Old Days!!!

kimbutgar

(23,816 posts)
7. The media in those areas owned my Sinclair has slowly rotted the brains of the Ohioans to think and vote against their
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:44 PM
Saturday

Best interests. I heard the commercials during the campaign was so anti democratic and anti Harris she didn’t stand a chance nor did Sherrod Brown losing to a guy who didn’t live in Ohio !

I am so disgusted by these states who had gone to the dark hateful side.

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