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Passages

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Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:52 PM Jan 9

The L.A. Apocalypse Was Entirely Predictable

Today on TAP: The hills above my hometown regularly catch fire, and developers regularly build there nonetheless.

by Harold Meyerson January 9, 2025

It is a truth almost universally denied that the apocalyptic fires engulfing Los Angeles—my hometown—are merely a magnified version of the normal.

Donald Trump blames Gavin Newsom, because that’s Trump’s knee-jerk (or just plain jerk) response to any California misfortune. In a similar display of politically targeted bile, Rick Caruso, the Bloomberg-esque Republican turned Democrat who lost the most recent L.A. mayoral election to mainstream Democrat Karen Bass, blames Bass. Any day now, Wall Street Journal editorialists will blame the New Deal and some Latin Mass Catholics will blame Pope Francis.

If there’s one person whose analysis we should take seriously, it’s the late Mike Davis. In 1998, Davis followed up City of Quartz—his critically successful dissection of Los Angeles—with Ecology of Fear, which looked more specifically at the apocalypses that were and are a constant feature of L.A. life. (I edited a number of such Davis articles at the L.A. Weekly during the ’90s.) In the decade since he’d written City of Quartz, Los Angeles had experienced the Rodney King riots, the Northridge earthquake, recurrent fires and floods in the hills surrounding the city, and the decimation of the area’s middle class with the huge post–Cold War downsizing of the region’s largest employers, the Pentagon-funded aerospace companies. Plunging himself into obscure archives, traversing L.A.’s tinder-dry hills and firetrap tenements, Davis chronicled and explained Los Angeles’s unending physical and social combustibility with the zeal and scholarship of a peer-reviewed Cassandra.

Chapter Three of Ecology of Fear is entitled “The Case for Letting Malibu Burn.” It begins by noting that L.A.’s pre-European residents, the Chumash and Tongva Indians, annually set small fires in the hills of Pacific Palisades and Malibu to clear out the brush that would explode if left in place. Mike notes that Richard Henry Dana wrote in his seafaring classic Two Years Before the Mast that when he first sailed up the California coast in 1826, he saw a fire engulfing Topanga Canyon. Mike then documents the 13 fires that had burned at least 10,000 acres in the Santa Monica Mountains just west of the Palisades between 1930 and 1996. Mike makes a compelling case that the dry hills surrounding Los Angeles, running from Pasadena in the east to Malibu in the west, will regularly ignite when the Santa Ana winds blow, and that building houses in those hills all but guarantees that many of those houses will burn, particularly when those winds soar above 50 miles per hour.
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mchill

(1,109 posts)
1. No amount of brush clearing
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:58 PM
Jan 9

Can overcome 100 mph winds and low relative humidities. Camp Fire in Paradise, CA, same thing. That fire burned a McDonald’s in the middle of a paved parking lot.

SWBTATTReg

(24,518 posts)
2. You sure got that right! If you got the wind and low humidity going against you, it is almost impossible to
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:15 PM
Jan 9

stop such a fire, just hope that you prepared a fire break beforehand earlier in the year.

When things allowed earlier in the year, w/ light rains and little wind, we cleared off brush in burning off certain portions of our land, to prepare fire breaks for later in the year, for areas susceptible to wildfire or brush fires.

Grass fires in our prairie areas and a portion of the Ozarks (SW portion of MO) was our biggest worry, with a little wind, you might as well run as fast as you can out of the danger area, and call the volunteer fire dept, it'll grow that fast.

Sometimes we planned on having the volunteer fire dept, there, they would come out for training purposes, a nice touch/feature and smart.

mchill

(1,109 posts)
10. I mean NOTHING will work in extreme WINDS
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 06:23 PM
Friday

The Camp Fire winds in Paradise were 50 mph—fuel breaks at the top of ridges are for normal weather. The Palisades Fire had 100 mph winds blowing hot air over already dried up fuels. Think of a blow torch throwing embers miles ahead. It is a stand down situation for fire crews other than putting out spot fires and rescue.
(Air Attack excepted)

SWBTATTReg

(24,518 posts)
11. Absolutely. Nothing will work and the unfortunate thing to simply just get out of the way, and let it go, you really
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 07:18 PM
Friday

have no choice but to get out of its way.

Oh yes, I saw several newscasts about the fires, and you could see the sparks flying everywhere! A terrible thing.

msongs

(70,379 posts)
3. happens every year. can't get more predctible than that. the only change is the location and wind direction nt
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:22 PM
Jan 9

biophile

(499 posts)
5. In the future, they might not have to
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:52 PM
Jan 9

Insurance companies will refuse to insure certain areas. It could become unaffordable to build there unless you can build to a fireproof code, if such a thing exists.

Lulu KC

(5,466 posts)
7. Some buildings were over 100 years old
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:30 PM
Jan 9

I think at the time they were built there was not the tendency toward drought that there is now. I may be wrong. I know that much of LA is considered a desert and that it was created artificially, but maybe the giant increase in population hadn't occurred yet when they started settling those areas?

Just speculating.

However, they may in the future, now that the climate has changed and insurance companies are sick of dealing with it.

Klarkashton

(2,421 posts)
6. There was a guy up in the Malibu hills that
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:05 PM
Jan 9

Rebuilt his home 3 times over the years after fires. After the 3rd one burned down he started again but after a month he had a heart attack and died. He had a whole "Zen Zoo" up there and lost all of his livestock as well. It was sad. That place is virtually impossible to manage.

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