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Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 07:16 PM Jan 4

Sudan's biggest refugee camp was already struck with famine. Now it's being shelled

LAGOS, Nigeria — Sudan's largest refugee camp — which hosts at least half a million people, thousands of whom are suffering from famine — has been attacked by artillery shelling almost daily for two weeks. More than 80 people have been killed and close to 400 injured in the Zamzam camp in Sudan's besieged western region of Darfur, according to local media.

Displaced people residing in the camp and aid groups including Doctors Without Borders (MSF) have blamed the constant shelling on the Rapid Support Forces or RSF, the Sudanese paramilitary group locked in a brutal civil war with Sudan's army since April 2023.

The siege has sparked a new humanitarian catastrophe, with the attacks preventing already very limited quantities of aid into Zamzam, and leaving its few medical facilities overwhelmed. It marks an alarming turning point in a region overrun by violence and atrocities against civilians, with mounting evidence from local and international human rights groups of ethnic cleansing committed by the RSF in Darfur.

Although it is overshadowed by wars in the Middle East and Ukraine, Sudan's 20-month conflict has killed as many as 150,000 people, according to some estimates. It has led to the world's worst displacement crisis, affecting 1 in 5 of the country's prewar population. The U.S. is among those accusing the RSF of ethnic cleansing, and also accuses Sudan's military of war crimes. In a statement last December, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: "Since the outbreak of fighting on April 15, the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) have unleashed horrific violence, death, and destruction across Sudan. Civilians have borne the brunt of this needless conflict."

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/21/g-s1-39301/sudan-darfur-zamzam-camp-rsf-attack-famine

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Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
2. Sadly what's happening over there doesn't get a lot of coverage
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 08:25 PM
Jan 4

It seems like people don't care all that much about a humanitarian crisis if they can't blame Washington for it somehow....

Eko

(8,774 posts)
3. It doesnt get enough coverage here for sure.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 08:32 PM
Jan 4

But we have a lot more political power over Washington than Khartoum wouldn't you agree? Or did we just send $8 billion arms package including heavy bombs to one of the aggressors in Sudan?
Or have we done all we can to make sure we are not arming that conflict?
Big difference.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
4. I'm referring to the international community, not just Americans
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 08:43 PM
Jan 4

Everyone in every country knows what's happening in Gaza... The Sudan, despite a way higher death toll? Not so much...

Eko

(8,774 posts)
5. But you were obviously also talking about Americans.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 08:47 PM
Jan 4

"It seems like people don't care all that much about a humanitarian crisis if they can't blame Washington for it somehow.... "

Eko

(8,774 posts)
7. So do you still think
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 09:59 PM
Jan 4

Americans don't care all that much about a humanitarian crisis if they can't blame Washington for it somehow or was the answer I gave a possible explanation on why Americans may be more vocal about what is going on in Gaza?

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
8. Yes I do, even though I do understand your point.
Sat Jan 4, 2025, 11:10 PM
Jan 4

Because I've seen it happen on too many occasions in recent years. Granted, it's not entirely their fault, a lot of the Gaza hysteria has been whipped up by social media trolls and chaos agents -- They just needed a bunch of well-meaning but gullible suckers to join in. That's how we ended up with kids setting themselves on fire and college kids hijacking city council meetings to talk about Gaza for an hour... (Seriously -- What the hell is a city council even supposed to do about another Arab-Israeli war?)

It was painfully obvious to see on Twitter which of the most vocal and volatile Gaza supporters had zero understanding of the 100+ year old Israel-Palestine Conflict, nor were they able to even find Gaza on a map until November of 2023. And I believe their antics did way more to hurt the cause of Palestine than they ever did to help it...

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
10. Never said you were
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:10 AM
Jan 5

But it didn't escape my notice that all the Gaza protests, matches, disruptions, traffic blocking and "river to the sea" chants have completely vanished now that the election is over. Has the fighting stopped? Was a peace agreement signed?

The cynic in me wants to say the fervor over Gaza was whipped up into a frenzy by certain people who have since faded into the background for the sole purpose of hurting Dems in the most consequential election of our lifetimes 🤔

Nevermind the fact that every time I ask why they aren't protesting the angry orange idiot -- You know, the guy who has an even worse policy towards Gaza, all I hear now are weak-assed excuses from the same people who called me an "apologist for genocide" all summer long. The cynic in me also wants to note that an almost similar phenomenon happened during the 2016 election with the anti-drone warfare crowd (The Intercept, especially)... I remember the usual suspects screeching that they couldn't ever vote for Hillary because she was a proponent of drone strikes and targeted assassinations against terrorists, and then Donnie's in office and conducts more drone strikes in four years than Bush and Obama did in 16 years combined but there wasn't a single peep of protest from them... Tried to find some of those "activists" who had called me a "warmonger and imperialist" a couple years later on Twitter including one really outspoken young Muslim lady interviewed in Salon or wherever and I couldn't find them anywhere. It was like they vanished off the face of the Earth. Why do you think they would just go completely silent if drone warfare was their #1 political issue? Is it not strange that both times these issues were used to splinter the Dem vote and help giftwrap elections to Donnie?

If people want freedom for Palestinians, fine... If people want to protest in favor of Palestinians, fine.... But people acting like nothing noteworthy ever happened between Israelis and Palestinians before October 7, 2023 while pretending to be experts on Gaza now are useful idiots and I got a huge problem with that.

Dems have to get better at recognizing obvious GOP/Russian disinfo ops... Because there will be another tidal wave of them coming in four years.

Eko

(8,774 posts)
11. The easy anwser is that they were Democratic supporting
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:32 AM
Jan 5

and felt like since they were a part of the Democratic movement that is where they held influence and hence spoke to where they held influence. Or do you think that anyone protesting Trump would get anywhere?

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
14. I didn't vote for George Bush Jr
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:56 AM
Jan 5

But I still marched against his Iraq invasion on multiple occasions and made my voice heard regardless if he was listening...

I'm not saying they shouldn't protest Dems or Biden... What I am saying is they damn well better protest King Donnie and his cabal with the same zeal. If I see them still camped outside of Nancy Pelosi's house after the inauguration, they're some goddamned hypocrites who never actually cared about "GENOCIIIIIIIIDE" and should be called out as such...

Because like it or not, their antics played a small but significant role in handing this election to Donnie (especially if they stayed home or voted third party), so anything Donnie allows to happen to Gaza or the West Bank or Southern Lebanon or across the border of Egypt lands right at their feet and they're going to have to live with that...

If they want to hold fast to their principles more power to them -- but elections have consequences.

Eko

(8,774 posts)
12. It would be hilarious if we werent talking about lives
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:35 AM
Jan 5

how you just cant see that people in the party speak up to that party that is even capable of changing things and then because you are against it decide that they are not part of the party and have no say. Hilarious.

Eko

(8,774 posts)
17. And the people here still talkiing about it.
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 03:05 PM
Jan 5

Like me and others are we just victims of a obvious GOP/Russian disinfo ops? You keep saying that is what it was but there are still people talking about it. You cant just discount the entire argument by saying that.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
19. I'm not trying to discount the argument
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 12:54 AM
Jan 6

Or deny that atrocities have been and are still happening in Gaza (and Gazans should have known that there would be a scorched-Earth collective punishment crashing down on all civilians anyway after the Oct. 7 attacks, but that's another discussion)...

I'm saying that certain people pumped up the crisis to biblical proportions to kneecap Dems in an election year... And for the most part I've been proven correct as evidenced by how quiet the topic has become since the election...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russia-trying-exploit-americas-divisions-war-gaza-rcna149759

I work at a university... I remember what was the #1 topic on students' minds back in say, April compared to now. I remember the flyers and the posters everywhere and now there's nothing...

Eko

(8,774 posts)
15. and what protest are you going to be at when dump takes office?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 12:56 AM
Jan 5

Or is that not as important.

muriel_volestrangler

(102,858 posts)
16. Did you miss this bit?
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 10:53 AM
Jan 5

"The U.S. is among those accusing the RSF of ethnic cleansing, and also accuses Sudan's military of war crimes. In a statement last December, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: "Since the outbreak of fighting on April 15, the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) have unleashed horrific violence, death, and destruction across Sudan. Civilians have borne the brunt of this needless conflict.""

It's in the OP, as well as at the link. What would protests be saying - "we don't like our government condemning this"?

iemanja

(55,292 posts)
18. Thank you for posting this
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:31 PM
Jan 5

I welcome the opportunity to learn a bit about this crisis. What an awful death toll.

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