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mahatmakanejeeves

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Thu Apr 23, 2026, 07:19 PM Thursday

Fire truck heard 'stop, stop, stop' before deadly LaGuardia crash but didn't know warning was for them: NTSB

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Fire truck heard 'stop, stop, stop' before deadly LaGuardia crash but didn't know warning was for them: NTSB

Lack of transponders on emergency vehicles played a role in collision, preliminary report finds

Rhianna Schmunk · CBC News · Posted: Apr 23, 2026 3:30 PM EDT | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

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The wreckage of a fire truck is seen at LaGuardia airport on March 23, after it collided with an Air Canada Express jet the night before. (Shannon Stapleton/Reuters)

The National Transportation Safety Board has published its preliminary report on last month's deadly crash involving an Air Canada jet and a fire truck at New York's LaGuardia airport, concluding communication failures and a lack of transponders in the truck played roles in the collision.

The report released Thursday said the truck's driver heard instructions to "stop, stop, stop" over the radio, but did not realize the message was intended for them.

The fire truck's turret operator then heard the controller say, “Truck 1, stop, stop, stop,” and realized the warning was for their vehicle. By then, the report said, the truck was already on Runway 4 as Air Canada Express Flight 8646 was landing.

Pilots Mackenzie Gunther and Antoine Forest were killed when the jet and the truck collided seconds after the plane touched down. More than 30 people were hurt, including six who had serious injuries.

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Read more: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ntsb-laguardia-crash-preliminary-report-fire-truck-stop-stop-stop-9.7175074



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Firetruck driver in runway disaster heard warnings to stop, but didn’t know they were meant for him, preliminary report says.
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A fatal crash at LaGuardia Airport was caused by multiple breakdowns in communications and safety technology, a preliminary safety investigation report says.

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Fire truck heard 'stop, stop, stop' before deadly LaGuardia crash but didn't know warning was for them: NTSB (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Thursday OP
The dumbest thing that I think I may have ever heard. littlemissmartypants Thursday #1
Emergency vehicles usually assume that others are being told to stop for them. yardwork 17 hrs ago #4
Stupidity is also inevitable. littlemissmartypants 17 hrs ago #5
Exactly. Stupidity, ego, tiredness, distraction. yardwork 17 hrs ago #6
Society has to be based in egalitarianism. littlemissmartypants 17 hrs ago #7
Why was the aformentioned safety equipment NOT on the fire truck? niyad Thursday #2
This looks a systemic problem. yardwork 17 hrs ago #3
Yeah. Yelling "stop.stop.stop" seems rather low tech. travelingthrulife 15 hrs ago #8

littlemissmartypants

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1. The dumbest thing that I think I may have ever heard.
Thu Apr 23, 2026, 11:30 PM
Thursday

I always barrel forward damning the torpedoes when I hear the word "STOP!!!" being yelled in my direction.

Stupidity and hubris.

I believe that we may have the entitled cohort of society to thank for this.

yardwork

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4. Emergency vehicles usually assume that others are being told to stop for them.
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 07:53 AM
17 hrs ago

I think this was a broad systemic problem and the individuals caught up in the failed system aren't to blame. Human error has to be built into safety systems but it sounds like the opposite is happening here... extreme human effort is required to keep a failing system together.

A bad accident was inevitable.

yardwork

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6. Exactly. Stupidity, ego, tiredness, distraction.
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 08:14 AM
17 hrs ago

All the human failings. Systems have to built to withstand human errors.

littlemissmartypants

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7. Society has to be based in egalitarianism.
Fri Apr 24, 2026, 08:26 AM
17 hrs ago

When the command to stop is given at a four-way intersection, for example, and any one of the four vehicles assumes that the rules don't apply, then you have chaos.

Every other person or entity in an emergent situation should be assessed and accounted for specifically before anyone proceeds.

It does take time. But in order to truly be safe and effective, emergency situations demand egalitarian treatment of the individuals in every aspect of the situation.

The stupidity is in the assumption that one entity is more important than all others without testing that hypothesis first.

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