A measure giving Congress the power to block Trump pardons draws Republican backing
Source: msn/Axios
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A proposed Constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to block presidential pardons gained its first House Republican co-sponsor on Monday.
Why it matters: It's a rare display of GOP defiance against President Trump, whose pardons have been the subject of bipartisan backlash in several cases.
The president began his second term by pardoning thousands of Jan. 6 defendants, including many who were charged with assaulting law enforcement during the 2021 Capitol riot. He has since granted clemency or pardons to Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), former Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.), Ozy Media CEO Carlos Watson, Silk Road creator Ross Ulbricht, former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and cryptocurrency mogul Changpeng "CZ" Zhao. Most recently, Trump pardoned five former NFL players who were convicted of financial and drug-related crimes.
Driving the news: Rep. Johnny Olszewski (D-Md.), who is leading the amendment, announced Monday that Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) has signed on as the first Republican co-sponsor of the Pardon Integrity Act.
Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/a-measure-giving-congress-the-power-to-block-trump-pardons-draws-republican-backing/ar-AA1WsJCF
They need to do something - even like this "starting the process" (which is long and drawn out) because we are seeing the total abuse of that privilege.
msongs
(73,412 posts)Raven123
(7,725 posts)Yes, we need to limit the pardon power via a Constitutional Amendment, but involving Congress makes no sense to me.
I heard of one suggestion that Presidents be allotted a specified maximum number of pardons. That would force them to think hard. Also specifically prohibit self pardons.
Doodley
(11,827 posts)eggplant
(4,166 posts)Doodley
(11,827 posts)It won't affect this administration, but it will help in the future. He'll still pardon either everyone (like 1/6) or if he's on his way out, might choose to just see them in hell.
He's gotta go. But it isn't going to stop with him.
MayReasonRule
(4,082 posts)There are many, many more of us than there are Nazis.
Nazis are still the current minority.
Here's to mankind as a whole making certain that it stays that way.

MayReasonRule
(4,082 posts)The social discussion however is quite useful.
Ilsa
(64,151 posts)ultra-wealthy will get them.
Raven123
(7,725 posts)Bluestocking
(595 posts)Impeach the fucker
BumRushDaShow
(168,008 posts)He's been impeached TWICE.
2019

2021

But that only works if you get 2/3rds of the Senate to convict and remove.
Bluestocking
(595 posts)BumRushDaShow
(168,008 posts)Both require a 2/3rds majority in Congress - in the Senate, 2/3rds needed for an Impeachment conviction AND in BOTH chambers 2/3rds each for a Constitutional Amendment (unless you go the 3/4s of the state legislatures route for the Amendment).
Doodley
(11,827 posts)why this bill is needed. Trump is using pardon power to hide his own corruption.
Raven123
(7,725 posts)If they propose a resolution, Trump will pardon everyone before they can get it passed by 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate.
Doodley
(11,827 posts)mopinko
(73,531 posts)j6ers aside, hes clearly selling them. clearly bribery.
Escape
(431 posts)should have pardon power, on their own. There should be a very, very specific set of rules and all pardon decisions should have input and final approval by an unbiased board, panel or judge.
Every pardon ever issued in the past should be reviewed by that same board... with the possibility of it being overturned.
Trump has destroyed the validity of our pardon system.. It will have to be repaired or replaced.
It is currently undemocratic and illegal.
70sEraVet
(5,403 posts)It seems ridiculous for him to have the power to pardon his criminal associates.
You may as well grant him complete immunity for his crimes. Oh, we already went there, didn't we?
ToxMarz
(2,863 posts)with honor and integrity. People who uphold the Constitution, and strive to make a nation of, by and for the people. With liberty and justice for. But clearly that ain't fucking happening either.
nuxvomica
(14,004 posts)So why would we think changing the Constitution is a solution?
BumRushDaShow
(168,008 posts)And the muddied waters for the Constitution is whether the "2 terms" reference only means "consecutive" (which is an argument the loons want to push).
Any loophole that can be attempted for use, needs to be closed.
IbogaProject
(5,756 posts)The law should make it illegal for the President to pardon anyone he personally knows and make it a violation of the emoluments clause for anyone connected to him along with himself to take anything of value in relation to a pardon. I know this is a long shot, but there needs to be limits on how he has used his power in this instance.
Shrek
(4,410 posts)You don't want the tie the hands of a future Democrat to check the abuses of a Republican president.
Martin68
(27,451 posts)enough money. Will Republicans draw a line?
cstanleytech
(28,359 posts)Plus pardons should expire if a person is convicted of a major felony like armed robbery for example.
rzemanfl
(31,294 posts)who got pardons, grant themlimited immunity, and ask them how much they paid for them?
mdbl
(8,433 posts)That will make them think about who should really get one instead of a crook like Dump just pardoning all the crooks willing to pay him off.
Bayard
(29,200 posts)No matter its content.
bluestarone
(21,896 posts)We already have a means to get rid of this BASTARD!! Just gotta FUCKING DO IT!!