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BumRushDaShow

(165,751 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:23 AM Dec 16

'Gaslighting of Lyme patients is over': RFK Jr. promises renewed focus

Source: USA Today

Updated Dec. 15, 2025, 6:41 p.m. ET


Heath Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. promised a renewed focus on the “diagnostic efforts” for tick-borne Lyme disease, describing it on Dec. 15 as an “invisible” illness that he claims has been ignored by previous White House administrations. Kennedy made the comments as he convened a roundtable of patients and medical providers.

Just one year ago before he was confirmed as the health secretary in February, Kennedy promoted a conspiracy theory that Lyme disease is a militarily engineered bioweapon. In 2024, Kennedy said on his podcast that it was “highly likely” that Lyme disease was developed in a military lab on Long Island, New York. "And we cannot say 100% for sure, but we do know that they were experimenting with ticks there," he said.

He was asked about his comment about it being a "bioweapon" by Democratic Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado during his confirmation hearing in January. “I probably did say that,” Kennedy responded. His conspiracy theories claiming vaccines cause autism, linking antidepressants to school shootings and even suggesting WiFi causes cancer have alarmed healthcare professionals and Democratic lawmakers.

On Monday during the roundtable, Kennedy asserted - without proof - that officials at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services had claimed Lyme disease "did not exist." The Center for Diseases Control and Prevention for years has published a web page devoted to Lyme disease, detailing symptoms and treatment.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/12/15/rfk-jr-lyme-disease-diagnostic-efforts/87783418007/





Time to bring out the strait-jackets.
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'Gaslighting of Lyme patients is over': RFK Jr. promises renewed focus (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 16 OP
The good ones die young... and this dangerous SOB keeps on going. Sigh. QueerDuck Dec 16 #1
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHEMTRAILS?!! Mister Ed Dec 16 #2
WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE FLOURIDATED CHILDREN!?!?!?!?!? hatrack Dec 16 #3
He is psychotic, delusional, and still using drugs. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #4
Hmmm lonely bird Dec 16 #18
Yes if the dosage is high it could make him more aggressive. Irish_Dem Dec 16 #21
he is 100% insane and needs to go LymphocyteLover Dec 16 #5
it makes idiots appear to be smart. nt Javaman Dec 16 #6
The disease pre-dates their timelines by many years bucolic_frolic Dec 16 #7
"a member was diagnosed with Rocky Mountain spotted fever" BumRushDaShow Dec 16 #8
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever is different from Lyme Disease. yardwork Dec 16 #25
The point was the medical community didn't know the difference at the time bucolic_frolic Dec 16 #26
I don't think that is correct. yardwork Dec 16 #29
the Northeast is still a high-incidence region cab67 Dec 16 #31
One of the pathologists that I worked with hoosierspud Dec 16 #27
Which pathogen? littlemissmartypants Dec 16 #35
Borrelia bacterium hoosierspud Dec 16 #40
Well, if it "doesn't exist" it's very strange a whole lot of us have been treated for it. Vinca Dec 16 #9
Suckers! 😜 travelingthrulife Dec 16 #22
As a sufferer druidity33 Dec 16 #10
yes, the tests suck. treatment is possible but difficult. uncle ray Dec 16 #17
If previous administrations believed Lyme disease did not exist... HeartsCanHope Dec 16 #11
They don't deny Lyme disease OnionPatch Dec 16 #20
Who does this? travelingthrulife Dec 16 #23
The post I responded to OnionPatch Dec 16 #34
Who, exactly? cab67 Dec 16 #28
I misunderstood what I did read of the post. HeartsCanHope Dec 16 #38
The local park a block from my house has tick warning signs. Pa has so many deer because the twodogsbarking Dec 16 #12
One of my sisters has a deer run along the side of her house BumRushDaShow Dec 16 #14
Impeach this psycho for Gods sake orangecrush Dec 16 #13
He attracts more supporters get the red out Dec 16 #15
I have a family member who has believed this "wellness industry" AllyCat Dec 16 #16
I have a patient who continues to insist, against all medical evidence known to science, that he has Lyme disease. Aristus Dec 16 #19
Otzi the Iceman tested positive for Lyme. This is nonsense. I'd love answers. I was bitten by a tick in 1995 and airmid Dec 16 #24
RFK is so dumb it boggles my mind. So Lymes is a bio-weapon the US developed to randomly kill Americans over the Martin68 Dec 16 #30
No Kennedy you moron, no one ignored the threat mdbl Dec 16 #32
I grew up in the country, in Monterey County, California, born in 1951. cksmithy Dec 16 #33
a Lyme vaccine would help.... SamuelTheThird Dec 16 #36
It's too late for many. My cousin suffered with Lyme for years and... littlemissmartypants Dec 16 #37
Biggest tick VanceFan Dec 16 #39

hatrack

(64,249 posts)
3. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE FLOURIDATED CHILDREN!?!?!?!?!?
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 06:53 AM
Dec 16

Every time this asshole opens his mouth, I get a two-fer hate hardon - him, and "Dr." Bill Cassidy, the $2 Louisiana Medical Whore.

lonely bird

(2,773 posts)
18. Hmmm
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:40 AM
Dec 16

I know nothing about drug inactions and/or impacts but, iirc, he is taking testosterone. Since he is not a young man could that impact his mental processes?

bucolic_frolic

(54,042 posts)
7. The disease pre-dates their timelines by many years
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:31 AM
Dec 16

In the smaller population of the 1970s - about 2/3 fewer Americans than today - the medical community was slow to pick up on it. My family experienced this when a member was diagnosed with Rocky Mountain spotted fever despite being 2500 miles away from the Rocky Mountains and without the characteristic spots. This was about 6 years before Lyme, Connecticut claimed the prize nomenclature. The doctors of the day got their marching orders from CDC, because the CDC allegedly knew what was "going around". If it was something they hadn't seen before they stuck with established diagnoses and considered it didn't manifest in the same way in all patients. I would venture to say Lyme disease was in rural areas and deer populations decades before Americans began habitation in deeper rural areas.

BumRushDaShow

(165,751 posts)
8. "a member was diagnosed with Rocky Mountain spotted fever"
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:50 AM
Dec 16

I remember when that was considered the premier and exclusive "tick-borne disease" and its promotion was epic. Never mind what might have been spreading along the coasts, thousands of miles away, as the deer population began to spread throughout the maturing suburban and even urban communities.

In one respect, the nature and conservation movements of the '70s helped to recover the habitats in recently-developed areas, increasing the amount and diversity of wildlife and plants, but also increasing the insect load that plagued those animals and plants.

I don't even hear it mentioned much anymore.

yardwork

(68,975 posts)
25. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever is different from Lyme Disease.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:21 AM
Dec 16

Also, it's endemic in the U.S. southeast, nowhere near the Rocky Mountains.

I knew someone who died from it. It can be a very fast-moving lethal infection that is not easy to diagnose.

Lyme Disease is a different tick-borne illness. You're correct that it's been recognized for decades but the medical community was slow to pick up on it. However, that was decades ago. As usual RFK, Jr. is wrong.

bucolic_frolic

(54,042 posts)
26. The point was the medical community didn't know the difference at the time
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:32 AM
Dec 16

It wasn't endemic to the NE US in 1980, and I don't see articles about it locally now. The illness was far along and didn't have the characteristics of the disease but they still thought that's what it was. Tests, 10 days later, proved negative, but they had no other tick-borne category to put it in.

There were no tests for lyme back then, and weren't in the late 1990s. Sometimes they would extract fluid to culture it.

yardwork

(68,975 posts)
29. I don't think that is correct.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:38 AM
Dec 16

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever is and has been endemic in the U.S. southeast for a very long time. I've never heard that "the medical community" ever mistook it for Lyme Disease. I suppose that individual medical practitioners might have been confused, but the two diseases are quite different.

We may be talking past one another in misunderstanding.

cab67

(3,636 posts)
31. the Northeast is still a high-incidence region
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:47 AM
Dec 16

Most of my friends who've gotten it were bitten by ticks in New England and New Jersey. But it's currently spreading, and the rate has gone way up further south on the Atlantic Seaboard and in the Great Lakes/Upper Midwest regions.

hoosierspud

(214 posts)
27. One of the pathologists that I worked with
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:37 AM
Dec 16

Gave a presentation on tick-borne diseases. He said that researchers obtained some tick specimens from a collection that was centuries old. They found DNA from the pathogen in those ticks.

druidity33

(6,869 posts)
10. As a sufferer
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 07:58 AM
Dec 16

of Persistent Lyme for over 20 years i can say that YES i have been treated as crazy by doctors. I have never felt as if the diagnostic tests are accurate and have even been told so by at least 2 doctors. There's no treatment or medication or vaccine. More research NEEDS to be done. I just don't trust RFK or his people to do it right. It's like Long Covid. Chronic with flare-ups. Antibiotics don't appear to affect it (for me at least).



uncle ray

(3,303 posts)
17. yes, the tests suck. treatment is possible but difficult.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:22 AM
Dec 16

i am quite sure i've had it for decades but have never had a positive test, i grew up where tick bites were a way of life, now live in an area where it is not common. it is difficult to find a doctor willing to call for the full panel of tests. testing and treatment is difficult because testing is unreliable and there are really dozens of variants of tick borne illnesses. the antibiotic treatment is brutal, as it requires the better part of a year of zero sugar and gluten to work and it has to be the right treatment for the combo of tick borne diseases present. i do have a friend who's life was turned around by treatment.

too bad this nut is just going to make things worse for those suffering this disease.

HeartsCanHope

(1,529 posts)
11. If previous administrations believed Lyme disease did not exist...
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 08:15 AM
Dec 16

Why do all the public park trails warn about Lyme disease?

What a weird and crazy thing to say. All of this administration seems to have the same bizarre

obsession with getting attention. They all seem to be so needy and full of hate for others.

What a sad, sad way to live. They also all seem to suffer from what I've begun to call "Enragement Syndrome".

(I hate the TDS crap!) I'm sure all of our mental health professionals can supply the proper term--the need

to have something to get others angry about every second of every day. They can then push the narrative

that they alone can save us.They get a big ego boost, and they get the attention they feel they deserve.

Truly unhinged!

OnionPatch

(6,311 posts)
34. The post I responded to
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 03:30 PM
Dec 16

said “they” didn’t believe in Lyme disease. I assumed it was medical authorities during the previous administration being referenced. I only know that the argument has always been whether it could be chronic. Not that it exists. No one was denying that Lyme existed.list whether it could be chronic.

cab67

(3,636 posts)
28. Who, exactly?
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:37 AM
Dec 16

People in my line of work are frequently in tick country. We all know people who've had Lyme disease. It can indeed be tricky to detect, because its symptoms resemble those of other illnesses - especially if the tick bite itself has healed over. And it can sometimes last a while.

I've heard of doctors who sometimes question Lyme disease diagnoses, but not public health officials, and certainly no one at the CDC.

(True but irrelevant anecdote - I came back from Thailand in 2014 with a tick. It was removed at a local clinic, and the doctor gave me a list of diseases carried by Southeast Asian ticks and their symptoms, just in case. The region of Thailand I'd visited wasn't known for the worst of them. She also prescribed something that would prevent some of them.

A couple of days after that, I fell ill. Every symptom I had was consistent with seasonal flu. Nevertheless, I decided I must have tick-borne Japanese encephalitis and should get my affairs in order. I had none of the symptoms specific to JE, but the be-afraid-of-everything part of my midbrain concluded that's what I had. Later that day, a test confirmed flu - but I continued to worry, even though I had no reason to.

But the best part? When I picked up the prescription, the label said, "Indications: for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I half-expected the pharmacist to rub my head and say, "Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?&quot

HeartsCanHope

(1,529 posts)
38. I misunderstood what I did read of the post.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 04:32 PM
Dec 16

Last edited Thu Dec 18, 2025, 08:02 AM - Edit history (1)

I apologise for saying the RFK Jr. was saying previous administrations denied Lyme disease. I didn't think previous

administrations ignored Lyme disease, either. My point is this administration is always ginning up some lie to get

the MAGAs angry. Sorry if I didn't make that point clear.

twodogsbarking

(17,580 posts)
12. The local park a block from my house has tick warning signs. Pa has so many deer because the
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 08:32 AM
Dec 16

Game Commission is very powerful and the deer draw hunters to Pa. They issued 840.000 licences in 2024. They won't cull the herd, it brings in money . Pa also leads the nation in animal/vehicle collisions. Lyme is real and real bad.

BumRushDaShow

(165,751 posts)
14. One of my sisters has a deer run along the side of her house
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 08:45 AM
Dec 16

A number of times when I have been by there (especially at dusk,) I have seen half a dozen or more standing out in the middle of her street while I was parking. She often texts pics of them, including one this past spring of a "Bambi" (a fawn, with spots and all) that was chilling in her backyard. The base of her property has a creek so they congregate there for a drink. One of my nephews used to stop by there to collect antlers left by the bucks.

Of course the deer also devastate her garden. Her hosta becomes annual salad and her daylilies were a treat for them, never to actually bloom due to the flowers being nipped off just as the buds emerged.

Literally the day she moved there over 20 years ago, I was at the house waiting for a patio furniture delivery for her while she was with her hubby and the movers, and a deer appeared along the creek.

get the red out

(13,958 posts)
15. He attracts more supporters
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 08:52 AM
Dec 16

RFK, Jr attracts another group of supporters with his statement regarding Lime Disease, ticks.

AllyCat

(18,518 posts)
16. I have a family member who has believed this "wellness industry"
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 08:52 AM
Dec 16

Claim for many, many years. All her problems in life are because the “government” wouldn’t allow her to be treated for what she considered to be Lymes after living in an endemic area for a couple years.

Spent FOUR YEARS of twice a week treatments at an acupuncturist who suddenly proclaimed “you are healed!”

This is, IMO, another prop up of the wellness movement that will result in no real relief for sufferers of this disease.

Aristus

(71,649 posts)
19. I have a patient who continues to insist, against all medical evidence known to science, that he has Lyme disease.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 09:50 AM
Dec 16

Every confirmatory test there is has come back negative.

Thank goodness it's only one of my patients. If there are any more, I'm going to start wondering if Lyme disease is the latest Tik-Tok-spread "fad" disease; a disease that actually exists, but it's not terribly common. But once social media gets a hold of it, all of a sudden everyone on the planet has it. Past notables have included fibromyalgia, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, celiac disease, and the current favorite: magnesium deficiency.

The medical provider's cross to bear...

airmid

(526 posts)
24. Otzi the Iceman tested positive for Lyme. This is nonsense. I'd love answers. I was bitten by a tick in 1995 and
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:08 AM
Dec 16

Have struggled since then. But I want actual answers. Not more bullshit.

Martin68

(27,061 posts)
30. RFK is so dumb it boggles my mind. So Lymes is a bio-weapon the US developed to randomly kill Americans over the
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 10:46 AM
Dec 16

course of many years? The most ineffective and counter-productive bio-weapon ever developed!

mdbl

(8,115 posts)
32. No Kennedy you moron, no one ignored the threat
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 02:38 PM
Dec 16

They just left it in the capable hands of doctors who USED TO run the CDC. Asshole.

cksmithy

(425 posts)
33. I grew up in the country, in Monterey County, California, born in 1951.
Tue Dec 16, 2025, 03:23 PM
Dec 16

Lyme disease was not supposed to exist in California or other western states. My brother got the bullseye rash and was given antibiotics. This happened around 1960/61. Since all of kids, 6 of us, had pulled ticks off of ourselves, I asked my mother, "Shouldn't we all get medicine." She said no because we didn't get the bullseye rash. Fast forward to my 40's to 3 years ago, I had and have all sorts of weird symptoms that all pointed to untreated Lyme disease. I finally found a doctor who listened to me. My doctor ordered blood tests for Lyme antibodies, well, I had them. And as all of my other doctors, and specialists too said, If you have antibodies and symptoms you treat for the disease. Well the weird body aches and pains are gone but the damage is done. I took 3 months of antibiotics and am feeling pretty good, I am now left with arthritis (whole body), celiac, interstitial disease, tinnitus, histamine intolerance, osteoporosis and gastroparesis. My symptoms seemed to be autoimmune but they were also all connected to untreated lyme disease. On top of that I have scoliosis, so my body pains were ignored, but they were also from lyme disease. I can't tell you how many doctors said, you have scoliosis and your getting old. You are just going to have pain.

Long boring story, I thank you if have read this far, I have to cook from scratch everyday, no processed foods at all, or my aching body symptoms come back. The damage started when I was around 9 years old and kept damaging my body until I was about 71 years old. I am too old to repair my body, though I eat very healthily. No doctor on the west coast ever thought my bizarre symptoms were connected to lyme disease, they just thought I was a hypochondriac.

Also, one of the Universities of California, I think UCDavis did a study to prove there was no Lyme disease in California. They were so surprised when the ticks they collected by dragging a sheet though woodland, fields, were pretty much all carrying the lyme disease bacteria. I think it was in the 90% range.

Anyway, I don't think Lyme disease is a bio weapon. In the 1950's everybody was moving to California. I sure a few dogs, camping gear,

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