Australia to tighten gun laws after Bondi Beach Hanukkah massacre
Source: AP News
Australian leaders promised Monday to immediately overhaul already-tough gun control laws after a mass shooting targeted a Hanukkah celebration on Sydneys Bondi Beach. At least 15 people died in the attack, which has fueled criticism that authorities are not doing enough to combat a surge in antisemitic crimes.
Among the new measures proposed would be a limit on the number of guns someone can own and a review of licenses held over time. Those and other actions would represent a significant update to the landmark national firearms agreement, which virtually banned rapid-fire rifles after a gunman killed 35 people in Tasmania in 1996, galvanizing the country into action.
The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said.
The violence erupted at the end of a summer day when thousands had flocked to Bondi Beach, an icon of Australias cultural life. They included hundreds gathered for the Chanukah by the Sea event celebrating the start of the Jewish festival with food, face painting and a petting zoo. Albanese called the massacre an act of antisemitic terrorism that struck at the heart of the nation.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/australia-shooting-bondi-beach-sydney-3be76a51c820d547ee4697bd25c1bafd
Australia already had very restrictive gun laws, and as a result have only had 9 mass shootings in a 10 year period. 'Murica averages between 20 and 30 mass shootings PER MONTH. Hats off to Australian authorities for having a spine.
Irish_Dem
(79,373 posts)About their safety and well being.
Amazing.
sop
(17,286 posts)"Video of the Bondi shooters firing on a crowd on Sunday shows how quickly and repeatedly weapons that are legal in Australia can be fired before almost seamlessly reloading, despite gun law reforms implemented after the Port Arthur massacre banning semi-automatic rifles."
"Police are yet to reveal officially which weapons were used in the attack, but Dr John Coyne, the director of the national security program at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said it appeared that among the weapons police found at the scene, the terror suspects had a bolt action high-powered rifle and shotguns."
https://www.smh.com.au/national/speed-accuracy-precision-how-gun-makers-market-the-weapons-used-at-bondi-20251215-p5nnq8.html
NickB79
(20,222 posts)These were both invented in the late 1800's.
These are literally the type of guns our grandparents would have used to hunt deer and ducks.
sop
(17,286 posts)NickB79
(20,222 posts)They were abandoned for Mauser actions because Mausers could handle higher pressure rounds.
Cha
(316,437 posts)travelingthrulife
(4,316 posts)EX500rider
(12,132 posts)Violet_Crumble
(36,379 posts)There are people who do need multiple guns, like farmers. But the father of a man who's already under the eye of ASIO is someone who should have had his licence swiftly revoked.I know they took all the guns to Bondi with them and it was around 10 minutes before help arrived. I don't know how many of the guns they used and don't care tbh. The death toll.would.have. been so much higher if they'd used high powered weapons like in the US.
Things I support afer this horror is (and while I've numbered them I think I.oth are equally important)
1. a national review of our gun laws. It's been decades since they were introduced and it's time to revisit them
2. While I suspect there's an ISIS or Iran connection there, I'm sickened by the fact that our Jewish community lives in fear
They can't just be themselves and live their lives without needing security guards at schools and synagogues. That's so wrong. We should show our support for the Australian Jewish community and aim for a country where hatred towards Jews is treated harshly
If it means toughening up hate crime laws, we should do it.
Polybius
(21,394 posts)Or at least, promptly deported.
ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman Naveed Akram in 2019 for close ties to Islamic State cell
Earlier today police revealed the two Bondi Beach gunmen were a father and son: Naveed Akram, 24, who is in hospital under police guard; and Sajid Akram, 50, who died exchanging gunfire with officers on Sunday.
Violet_Crumble
(36,379 posts)We welcome immigrants and wouldn't refuse them entry or deport them unless there was a very solid reason. We also don't like stripping citizenship from Australian citizens. So, no. It's not a case of not letting them in or deporting them. It's a case of gun laws not being tough enough and ASIO more than likely slipping up.
Polybius
(21,394 posts)See link. And their vetting process needs some serious work.
Violet_Crumble
(36,379 posts)The father has been here since the late 90's. Talk of deportation, especially of Australian citizens is ridiculous and ugly imo
Polybius
(21,394 posts)ASIO was watching Naveed Akram for close ties to Islamic State cell. Can't worry about hurting feelings.
Aussie105
(7,540 posts)You can't preemptively arrest and deport people if they haven't broken the law, but you suspect they might.
Going to round up all the people in Australia with names that don't sound British?
America might do that, but Australia isn't like that.
Love the politicians' responses though - we will just pass a few more laws.
If cultural differences and hate was the basis for the attack, that needs to be addressed.
Fearing a backlash from this rampage myself.
Usually in the case where anti-Jewish hate is suspected, leaders from the Muslim community come out and say 'We are not like that!'
Haven't seen anything like that this time though.
Polybius
(21,394 posts)So "close ties to Islamic State cell" wasn't enough for you to support deportation?
ASIO examined Bondi Beach gunman Naveed Akram in 2019 for close ties to Islamic State cell
marble falls
(70,471 posts)... our government from doing the same here. Canada's done it too. At some point TACO has got to pivot on something (even he understands how close to the abyss he is and why not leave some kind of positive legacy). Why not a sane firearm act and real enforcement? Especially from a President who was allegedly shot in the ear.
Polybius
(21,394 posts)They can outright ban guns if they choose. We can't.
marble falls
(70,471 posts)... which meant that citizens were allowed to form militias to protect themselves when the the regular army was not available.
If there was an absolute right to carry, than no law banning open or concealed carry with or without a permit would be Constitutional.
Public safety trumps gun ownership. Your right to own cannot interfere with my right to breathe. The level of gun violence in this country constitutes
a danger to public safety. The constitution doesn't mention high explosives, either, are you legally allowed to keep TNT in your basement?
Polybius
(21,394 posts)Perhaps 9-0 by the Supreme Court. I don't think it's solely for the military. Of course the military would be allowed to have guns. There's no need to put it in the constitution if it were purely intended for them. Additionally, you omitted that other section, "the right of the people shall not be infringed." It doesn't say "the right of the military/militia."
MichMan
(16,532 posts)I'm not a gun owner, but many of my friends are. Their guns, owned and used safely & legally, do not affect my breathing in any way.
Rocky Gravelton
(3 posts)I'm glad to see at least one other person talking about what should be the most obvious point for Americans relating to the Bondi Massacre. In spite of how terrible this tragedy is, Australia is already reaping great benefits from their very strict gun laws. If Australia had U.S. gun laws those terrorists would have been armed with fully automatic weapons and the dead and wounded would have been much more. Possibly as much as 10x more.
sop
(17,286 posts)Yes, about 10x more deadly than the Bondi massacre.
Behind the Aegis
(55,884 posts)However, unlike THIS country where when a massacre like this happens, we get the standard "thoughts and prayers" and "it's too soon to talk about gun regulations", the Aussies say, "this is bullshit, action needs to happen!"
Bravo, Australia!
Let's hope the results will have a positive effect.
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Violet_Crumble
(36,379 posts)A Holocaust survivor who died protecting his wife. Two Rabbis. A 10 year old girl. And the brick throwing man. Rescue groups in Sydney were busy yesterday trying to track down dogs that had got lost in the chaos. The most heartbreaking one was a large dog who sat over his owner's body for a bit before panicking and running off. Sorry, I'm a dog lover and follow multiple rescue groups.
This can never happen again. When I see mainly Americans throwing up excuses why things must not change when it comes to guns and anti semitism, me and many other Australians will tell them very politely to fuck off.
Deuxcents
(25,349 posts)Our Constitution on the gun issue guaranteed a well regulated militia when written. We now have the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force who are well regulated so the need for military type weapons in the citizenry is not needed. The Second Amendment has been distorted, imo, and should not be a hindrance for serious gun control. The Aussies dont kick this can down the endless road..they fix the problem..and quickly. Thats governance for the people as it should be here, too, and Im sure it will have a positive effect.
MichMan
(16,532 posts)Deuxcents
(25,349 posts)MichMan
(16,532 posts)Repeal of the 2nd Amendment?
Deuxcents
(25,349 posts)Yes..Id love for reasonable but serious gun control in this country but after so many decades of mass shootings, thoughts n prayers are what we get. We did get a few years of sanity but congress let the bill lapse. The Supreme Court has validated the right to have military style weapons so were in it deep now. I dont know who or what it would take to change the mindset but my rants are just that