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groundloop

(13,525 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:43 AM Nov 29

Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military

Source: ABC News

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth responded to a report that he ordered the military to kill all passengers aboard a boat suspected of ferrying drugs in the Caribbean Sea in September.

According to The Washington Post, the Sept. 2 boat strike initially left two survivors clinging to the boat. The Post alleges Adm. Mitch Bradley, head of Special Operations Command, then ordered a second strike in order to comply with Hegseth's orders and to ensure the survivors couldn't call on other traffickers to retrieve them and their cargo.

In a post on X on Friday, Hegseth said the strikes were intended to be "lethal, kinetic strikes."

"Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hegseth-declines-comment-report-boat-survivors-killed-result/story?id=127951385

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Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military (Original Post) groundloop Nov 29 OP
When the trials start.... DemMedic Nov 29 #1
But there is so much competition.... RockCreek Nov 29 #28
Nice Empty Words Roy Rolling Nov 29 #31
South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone" underpants Nov 29 #2
WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"? sop Nov 29 #3
He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces" muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #5
Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 29 #21
More manly not fooled Nov 29 #36
"lethal, kinetic" equals "lively killing" Wednesdays Nov 29 #41
He can't spell kinetic JustAnotherGen Nov 29 #4
Agreed Chi67 Nov 29 #24
That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials ashredux Nov 29 #6
Approved by the best lawyers... hay rick Nov 29 #7
"but but but the lawyers said I could" C_U_L8R Nov 29 #8
Nope. You're going to jail. travelingthrulife Nov 29 #9
Murder fisherman and pardon actual drug traffickers Ponietz Nov 29 #10
Making sure there are no witnesses to dispute the rhetoric Deuxcents Nov 29 #11
This orangecrush Nov 29 #15
He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo. Midnight Writer Nov 29 #12
lol!😂🤣 Hope22 Nov 29 #23
"Torture lawyer" will follow him to the end of his days not fooled Nov 29 #37
That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint." OMGWTF Nov 29 #40
That's what Cheney and his ilk said about torturing kidnapped 'prisoners' Alpeduez21 Nov 29 #13
And we let them get away with it then as well. travelingthrulife Nov 29 #18
It's really dangerous to give power to a guy who is a drunk and has a small dick ashredux Nov 29 #14
It's why Putin and Trump chose him. travelingthrulife Nov 29 #19
He's full of shit. Gimpyknee Nov 29 #16
...and gin. LudwigPastorius Nov 29 #45
Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin. John1956PA Nov 29 #46
I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day. LudwigPastorius Nov 29 #47
NO ONE has laid out any proof of what Trump + Co have claimed. NCDem47 Nov 29 #17
Hegseth is a LIAR Martin Eden Nov 29 #20
Spinocchio administration. BattleRow Nov 29 #34
Push-up Pete lies AverageOldGuy Nov 29 #22
I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ. patphil Nov 29 #25
He doesn't even know what the word "kinetic" means. Irish_Dem Nov 29 #26
Shut up, Whisky. Go have another drink ya sot. paleotn Nov 29 #27
Complete BS Pete boy Picaro Nov 29 #29
Kinetic was adopted by the services Aviation Pro Nov 29 #30
I'm just waiting TheFarseer Nov 29 #32
They fired all the top JAG lawyers NickB79 Nov 29 #33
So does this mean other countries can blow us out of the water,too? BattleRow Nov 29 #35
Hegseth needs to be prosecuted LetMyPeopleVote Nov 29 #38
We need names, Hogsbreath. tavernier Nov 29 #39
Whiskey Pete will be pardoned duckworth969 Nov 29 #42
No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth. Paladin Nov 29 #43
Armed conflict? Cirsium Nov 29 #44
"approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm .. KPN Nov 29 #48
Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all Martin68 Nov 29 #49

underpants

(194,269 posts)
2. South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:48 AM
Nov 29

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sop

(17,117 posts)
3. WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:56 AM
Nov 29

Sounds like a Hegsethian euphemism for extrajudicial killing.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,369 posts)
5. He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:14 AM
Nov 29

His claim that the best lawyers told him it was legal looks unlikely. Most lawyers commentating have say "way illegal", which is why many countries have stopped giving the US intelligence in the Caribbean, so that they're not accessories to crimes. I expect they eventually found a gung-ho lawyer idiot or two to give them carte blanche to kill, and will have to use that in their defense when they're eventually brought to justice.

Uncle Joe

(63,900 posts)
21. Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:29 AM
Nov 29

not fooled

(6,556 posts)
36. More manly
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:37 AM
Nov 29

that's what this douche cares about--doing what Krasnov wants and propping up his manhood.

JustAnotherGen

(37,434 posts)
4. He can't spell kinetic
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:59 AM
Nov 29

He murdered those people. It's a human rights violation and an act of war.

I'm not coming together with the family members of Liberals who voted for this when the regime falls.

We aren't coming together and moving forward. We did that in 1877 and the sick little fuckers "rose again".

To be clear: I hate magapubs.

Chi67

(1,269 posts)
24. Agreed
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:43 AM
Nov 29

This time, we take out the trash. There is no reasoning with MAGAs. And fascist organizations etc need to be made illegal. There need to be exceptions to the first amendment.

ashredux

(2,830 posts)
6. That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:31 AM
Nov 29

hay rick

(9,262 posts)
7. Approved by the best lawyers...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:48 AM
Nov 29

Good lawyers would have said "Hell, no!" Better lawyers would have said "No fucking way." Turns out the "best" lawyers thought "lethal, kinetic strikes" were some kind of harmless entertainment made for Fox News.

Midnight Writer

(25,082 posts)
12. He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:12 AM
Nov 29

I couldn't remember Yoo's first name, so I googled "torture lawyer" and his name was the first thing that came up.

OMGWTF

(4,979 posts)
40. That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint."
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:45 AM
Nov 29

How many times do we have to endure the same sh!t from these lawless people? Bush and Cheney should have been in The Hague on trial for crimes against humanity. The Rethuglican party must be eliminated.

John1956PA

(4,674 posts)
46. Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:59 PM
Nov 29

Occasionally, I prefer sipping a Canadian whisky on the rocks. I think that gulping down alcohol is a waste of it.

LudwigPastorius

(13,948 posts)
47. I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:04 PM
Nov 29

But yeah, if you have to drown your booze in a mixer just so you can drink more of it, you likely have a problem.

Martin Eden

(15,247 posts)
20. Hegseth is a LIAR
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:27 AM
Nov 29

Which is understandable, since lying is a requirement for a speaking position in the Trump administration. Not just spin; bold faced lies.

Hegseth honed those skills as a weekend host on Fox News.

patphil

(8,584 posts)
25. I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:55 AM
Nov 29

Hegseth's lawyers will tell him exactly what he wants to hear. That's why they're there.
Or, perhaps they advised him of the law, but his brain translated it into a legal confirmation of his beliefs.

Picaro

(2,313 posts)
29. Complete BS Pete boy
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:06 AM
Nov 29

Your lawyers (the ones you failed to consult) should have told you that centuries of maritime law require that you save survivors even in war once the threat is eliminated. Since there was never a threat you’d have a hell of a time proving that your orders were anything but illegal.

Aviation Pro

(15,149 posts)
30. Kinetic was adopted by the services
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:16 AM
Nov 29

During our 20-year war period. It’s a sanitized version for killing or blowing them up.

TheFarseer

(9,745 posts)
32. I'm just waiting
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:24 AM
Nov 29

For other countries like the UK, Germany, France etc to demand to know WTF we are doing?! None of this is legal. Or are they speaking up and we are not hearing about it?

NickB79

(20,200 posts)
33. They fired all the top JAG lawyers
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:26 AM
Nov 29

And then claim their hand-picked replacement lawyers told them it's all perfectly legal.

Imagine that.

tavernier

(14,143 posts)
39. We need names, Hogsbreath.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:43 AM
Nov 29

Name the Lawyers. I’m sure they will want to corroborate your orders.

Paladin

(32,140 posts)
43. No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:07 PM
Nov 29

In a nation with a shred of remaining decency in its leadership, we'd have a new Secretary of Defense. Beyond shameful.

Cirsium

(3,253 posts)
44. Armed conflict?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:12 PM
Nov 29

That guy: "Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict..."

What "armed conflict?" With whom is the US at war?

ABC: "Critics of the Trump administration and some legal experts have questioned the legality of the strikes." Both-siderism at its very worst.

Some call intentionally killing innocent unarmed people murder, others call it "lethal, kinetic strikes." ABC is giving us "both sides" of the issue.

KPN

(17,087 posts)
48. "approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm ..
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:09 PM
Nov 29

Yeah, just like he's "the best" Secretary of Defense as well.

Martin68

(26,779 posts)
49. Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:12 PM
Nov 29

actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

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