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demmiblue

(39,072 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:25 AM Nov 29

Trump says airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety

Source: Reuters

Nov 29 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday that the airspace above and surrounding Venezuela is to be closed in its entirety.

Trump, in a Truth Social post said: "To all Airlines, Pilots, Drug Dealers, and Human Traffickers, please consider THE AIRSPACE ABOVE AND SURROUNDING VENEZUELA TO BE CLOSED IN ITS ENTIRETY."

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Last week, the U.S. aviation regulator warned major airlines of a "potentially hazardous situation" when flying over Venezuela due to a "worsening security situation and heightened military activity in or around" the country.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-airspace-above-surrounding-venezuela-be-closed-its-entirety-2025-11-29/

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Trump says airspace above and surrounding Venezuela to be closed in its entirety (Original Post) demmiblue Nov 29 OP
Ass orangecrush Nov 29 #1
In reaction to this? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 29 #2
Not "in reaction" to that; that was the result of the original warning muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 #20
Will Trump now order the shooting down of aircraft, too? sop Nov 29 #3
Yes how is he going to enforce this? Irish_Dem Nov 29 #26
I wouldn't put it past him to order a shoot down of a civilian plane, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #28
Exactly my thoughts MCE. Irish_Dem Nov 29 #31
After what he's done with the boats... ananda Nov 29 #32
I've no doubt he and his pet monkey, Kegsbreath, would order a shoot down, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #33
I'm hoping the Russian presence in Venezuela... ananda Nov 29 #34
More than likely, the only Russians in Ven. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #35
Well... it is true that Trump has virtually no impulse control these days... ananda Nov 29 #36
Haven't seen any orders ignored yet BlueSpot Nov 29 #38
Russia is sending troops.................... Lovie777 Nov 29 #4
Proxy war with Russia. FalloutShelter Nov 29 #6
Whose side will MAGA be on? travelingthrulife Nov 29 #8
Shall we ask them now? FalloutShelter Nov 29 #10
Air defense system(s). Igel Nov 29 #11
"Russia is sending troops.." What troops? EX500rider Nov 29 #21
Did F45 wait until Putin was already in V. before issuiing this memo? nt in2herbs Nov 29 #23
Or what? NickB79 Nov 29 #5
We supported a bombing of a Cuban flight IbogaProject Nov 29 #22
The first step in a military assault is always control the airspace. JohnnyRingo Nov 29 #7
Both China and Russia support Venezuela. They will protect their oil sources and travelingthrulife Nov 29 #9
And just how are they going to protect Ven.? MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #14
I would assume Russia and China would send cheap armed drones NickB79 Nov 29 #18
That's the most likely scenario, any guerilla was would be a disaster for the US, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #19
Well GCG Nov 29 #30
Dumb question, I know, but House of Roberts Nov 29 #12
You make entirely too much sense 🙄 😒 🤣 😂 😑 Srkdqltr Nov 29 #27
That Is An Act Of War DallasNE Nov 29 #13
I seriously doubt that Russia is sending combat troops to Ven. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #15
You Could Be Right DallasNE Nov 29 #37
Here's hoping the military ignores this order sakabatou Nov 29 #16
This act of war brought to you by... mn9driver Nov 29 #17
Ummm that's against international law isn't it? cstanleytech Nov 29 #24
Pedonald says: MarineCombatEngineer Nov 29 #25
We must be at war... Mike Nelson Nov 29 #29
EMPEROR of the WORLD! Fla Dem Sunday #39

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,801 posts)
2. In reaction to this?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:33 AM
Nov 29
Venezuela bans six major airlines after tensions with US escalate

2 days ago
Vanessa Buschschlüter


RONALD PENA R/EPA/Shutterstock People queue to board a flight at Simon Bolivar International Airport in Maiquetia, near Caracas, Venezuela, 26 November 2025

Thousands of passengers have been affected by the suspension and many more are expected to be hit by the ban
RONALD PENA R/EPA/Shutterstock

Venezuela has banned six major international airlines from landing in the country after they failed to meet a 48-hour deadline to resume flights there. ... The airlines had temporarily suspended their routes into the capital, Caracas, after the US warned of "heightened military activity" in the area.

Angered by this, the Venezuelan government issued the carriers with an ultimatum that expired on Wednesday. While a number of smaller airlines continue to fly to Venezuela, thousands of passengers have been affected.

The US has deployed a large force to waters off Venezuela, which it says is to combat drug trafficking but which Venezuela's leader has denounced as an attempt to overthrow him.

Venezuela's civil aviation authority, which reports to the country's ministry of transport, announced on Wednesday that Iberia, TAP Portugal, Gol, Latam, Avianca and Turkish Airlines would lose their landing and take-off rights with immediate effect.

{snip}

muriel_volestrangler

(105,369 posts)
20. Not "in reaction" to that; that was the result of the original warning
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:47 AM
Nov 29

which made some airlines halt flights; and the Venezuelan government, annoyed that they hadn't said "damn the Trump sabre-rattling, we've got a right to fly there", said "well you can't come back". This is now laying the excuses for random Trumpian killing on land (or even in the air) in Venezuela.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
28. I wouldn't put it past him to order a shoot down of a civilian plane,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:37 PM
Nov 29

all the while claiming it was a drug plane full of narco terrorist, the big question would be, would a US commander and or a US fighter pilot implement such an illegal order?

My guess would be, no.

Irish_Dem

(78,671 posts)
31. Exactly my thoughts MCE.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:14 PM
Nov 29

Shoot down a civilian plane. Claim it carried drug cartel members and human traffickers.

Who will stop Trump or bring him to justice? No one.

I disagree on the implementation.
We now know the US military will obey these kind of orders from the Trump Crime Syndicate.

Trump directly threatened the US generals with loss of rank, pension, and court martial.

They will bend the knee and kiss ass.

The military you and I knew is no longer.

ananda

(34,179 posts)
32. After what he's done with the boats...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:22 PM
Nov 29

I don't think there's anything stopping him
from going as low and criminal as he wants...

and he's a crazed psychopath who loves
the idea of war and using nukes.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
33. I've no doubt he and his pet monkey, Kegsbreath, would order a shoot down,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:25 PM
Nov 29

but would a commander or a fighter pilot actually follow such an order, especially if it's positively identifed as a civilian passenger plane.

I've got to believe that this order would be "ignored".
That is my hope.

ananda

(34,179 posts)
34. I'm hoping the Russian presence in Venezuela...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:29 PM
Nov 29

might temper Trump's desire to blow up planes
and target Venezuela.

However, I'm not sure how much of a help Russia
can be after becoming weakened by its war with
Ukraine.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
35. More than likely, the only Russians in Ven.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:34 PM
Nov 29

are the technicians to train the Ven. military on how to use, operate and maintain the SAM systems that they've promised to deliver to the Venezuelans and, much as I dislike saying this, but you can bet your bottom dollar that any Air Defense systems in Ven. are already targeted, the only thing that might give Pedonald pause is if there's a chance that Russian techs. would be injured or killed and I'm not even sure that would stop him.

ananda

(34,179 posts)
36. Well... it is true that Trump has virtually no impulse control these days...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 06:20 PM
Nov 29

and no real sense of judgment... due both to his psychopathy
and his dementia.

And if there is anyone or anything that could stop him, I'm
not sure they would be in place.

Lovie777

(21,354 posts)
4. Russia is sending troops....................
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:42 AM
Nov 29

Innocent people will suffer and die including US troops.

Republican party is evil.

EX500rider

(12,120 posts)
21. "Russia is sending troops.." What troops?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:10 PM
Nov 29
No, Russia is not currently sending large numbers of troops to Venezuela, but there are reports of military cooperation and past deployments for specific purposes. In March 2019, Russia sent troops for military consultations related to technical cooperation agreements, but these were not operations, and this deployment has since concluded. More recently, Russia's engagement has focused on military diplomacy and providing military aid, with a reduction in activity since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Past deployment: In 2019, Russia confirmed sending troops to Venezuela for "military consultations" as part of its military-technical cooperation agreements.

Current cooperation: Russia continues to have military ties with Venezuela, but since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, its focus has shifted, and its military presence is significantly smaller than in previous years.

Military diplomacy: The relationship is now focused more on military diplomacy, including joint military exchanges and providing military aid.

Requests for support: Venezuela has asked Russia and China for help strengthening its military capabilities

JohnnyRingo

(20,361 posts)
7. The first step in a military assault is always control the airspace.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:24 AM
Nov 29

Troops have to know every aircraft they see is friendly. It also prevents the enemy from launching attacks against the ground forces.
I guarantee this isn't something he came up with on his own. It came from the Pentagon tasked with a plan of invasion.

Well now. Here's another one of those wars Mr Peacemaker can end.

travelingthrulife

(4,084 posts)
9. Both China and Russia support Venezuela. They will protect their oil sources and
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:06 AM
Nov 29

allies.

Height of foolishness.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
14. And just how are they going to protect Ven.?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:14 AM
Nov 29

You think Russia, who can't even invade and conquer a nation right on their door step, are going to engage US forces in our own back yard?
Of course not, they're not stupid, the Generals and Admirals know it would be a disaster and humiliation for them.

And what about China?
China certainly isn't going to send combat troops or the PLAN into our back yard, the same thing would happen and the Chinese are no fools.

About the only thing they can do is go the UN to denounce this illegal action, which we all know, will amount to nothing, considering the US can veto any proposed actions.

I am hoping cooler heads step in and say no, but the reality of the situation is that if Pedonald does order an invasion of Ven., there is very little militarily that either Russia or China can do to stop it.

NickB79

(20,200 posts)
18. I would assume Russia and China would send cheap armed drones
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:33 AM
Nov 29

Seeing as how effective they've been in Ukraine. And then Venezuela would wage a prolonged guerilla war against US troops from the jungles and mountains.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
19. That's the most likely scenario, any guerilla was would be a disaster for the US,
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:38 AM
Nov 29

but we know that Pedonald doesn't give 2 shits about the military, I guess he misses the "good ole days" of US coffins landing at Dover AFB.

What a great way to deflect from the Epstein scandal a every other illegal action he's taken.
SCOTUS, Roberts, sure screwed America with their ridiculous immunity ruling.

Fucking Congress needs to step in and put a stop to this illegal regime.

GCG

(13 posts)
30. Well
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:08 PM
Nov 29

It's not only Pedonald who doesn't give 2 shits about the military, we can add Whiskey Pete, every Service Secretary, and every member of the Joint Chiefs!

General Caine has been marching in lockstep with the Trump since he came back from retirement, and I doubt if the other members of the Joint Chiefs are any better!

As for Congress, they've been allowing Trump to do what he wants and they won't do anything to stop him!

The US military is now being commanded by officers who are politicians wearing uniforms!

House of Roberts

(6,349 posts)
12. Dumb question, I know, but
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:56 AM
Nov 29

why do you attack 'alleged' drug traffickers while pardoning a CONVICTED drug trafficker?

DallasNE

(7,936 posts)
13. That Is An Act Of War
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:02 AM
Nov 29

Congress has not declared war, nor has it funded the war. There is no emergency to authorize the President to bypass Congress. Putin has announced that Russia is sending troops to help defend Venezuela. This will get ugly fast. Who is there to keep the lid on?

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,345 posts)
15. I seriously doubt that Russia is sending combat troops to Ven.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:20 AM
Nov 29

the personnel being sent are more likely technicians to teach the Ven. military how to operate the systems Russia is attempting to send.
Russia is not going to engage any US combat forces, they can't even take over a country on their own border, much less defend Ven.

Lets hope that Pedonald is doing his usual stirring up shit while trying to strong arm Ven. into doing what he wants them to do.

DallasNE

(7,936 posts)
37. You Could Be Right
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 06:28 PM
Nov 29

Indeed, I hope you are. But how would that make Putin look after making a big deal out of it? He would have to somehow save face, but how?

Mike Nelson

(10,876 posts)
29. We must be at war...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 05:03 PM
Nov 29

... with Venezuela. A country can't "close the airspace" of another country, on its own. What does the UN say? What does the US Congress say? We keep blowing up boats, which Crooked Donald claims are filled with illegal drugs. Where is the proof? Why do the boats keep coming?

Fla Dem

(27,393 posts)
39. EMPEROR of the WORLD!
Sun Nov 30, 2025, 11:07 AM
Sunday

What friggin right does he have to close airspace over another country where we have no authority whatsoever. If he has a problem with Venezuela, take it to the United Nations where both countries are members. This whole aggressive action, from the bombing of boats to closing airspace should also been addressed by the appropriate committees in congress.

He should focus more on the merciless killing of Ukrainians by the Russians and the Palestinians by Israel.

The more we let him do without approval by congress and consequences, the more he will do. Now is the time to start limiting his actions. He has a 36% voter approval rating, 60% Disapproval.

Trump's latest approval rating is around 36% to 40%, with various recent polls showing figures within this range. For example, a recent AP-NORC poll found it to be 36%, while a Reuters/Ipsos poll indicated 40%. Recent data also shows a decline in his approval, particularly concerning his handling of the economy, with some sources reporting disapproval at 60%.
Latest figures: Recent polls from November 2025 show approval ratings between 36% and 40%.
Specific polls: An AP-NORC poll found the approval rating at 36%, while a Reuters/Ipsos poll placed it at 40%.
Economic approval: Approval for his handling of the economy is even lower, with a Fox News poll showing 38% approval and 61% disapproval.
Overall disapproval: Overall disapproval has risen, with Gallup reporting it at 60%.

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