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highplainsdem

(53,396 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:20 PM Sunday

Trump directs US government to override California water policies if necessary

Source: Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday ordered the federal government to override the state of California's water-management practices to bolster firefighting efforts.

-snip-

His order directs the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation to deliver more water and hydropower through the Central Valley Project, a network of dams, canals and other infrastructure, even if that conflicts with state or local laws.

-snip-

"Trump is either unaware of how water is stored in California or is deliberately misleading the public," Newsom spokesperson Tara Gallegos said. "There is no imaginary spigot to magically make water appear at a wildfire, despite what Trump claims."

Trump's order also directs the White House budget office to see whether it can attach conditions on federal aid to the state to ensure cooperation.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-directs-us-government-override-california-water-policies-if-necessary-2025-01-27/

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Trump directs US government to override California water policies if necessary (Original Post) highplainsdem Sunday OP
That man needs to be stopped. Solly Mack Sunday #1
He and his entire cabal need to be institutionalized in insane asylums for the rest of their lives! n/t ReRe Monday #12
But leave the nukes. rubbersole Monday #17
Or sent back to school at the very least Attilatheblond Monday #27
remeber this when they bleat about state's rights DonCoquixote Sunday #2
That was my first thought as well. Grumpy Old Guy Monday #10
What needs to happen is daily public broadcasting announcements. Baitball Blogger Sunday #3
This is why we need to urgently stand up a "Counter-Cabinet" or shadow cabinet as is used in summer_in_TX Monday #11
Yep Baron2024 Monday #13
Dunning Kruger effect yellow dahlia Sunday #4
It's worse than D-K. They won't listen when reality is explained to them. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #20
Back during his 1st administration, his emphasis was on getting water for Central Valley farmers . . . Journeyman Monday #5
That's an interesting observation that sounds like some kind of right brain abnormality. defacto7 Monday #23
This is still his goal. He doesn't give a rat's ass about LA or wildfires travelingthrulife Monday #24
Incoherent- water for the farms but no labor to work underpants Monday #28
A (very) brief primer on California water usonian Monday #6
The Point Of This Baron2024 Monday #7
There's another potential weapon, secession Wicked Blue Monday #29
He is such a troll kimbutgar Monday #8
He wants the water for his agribusiness billionaire water hogs. pfitz59 Monday #9
Glad I can no longer eat those Wonderful pistachios ... nt LSparkle Monday #16
I can only assume that there is a nefarious intent to divert water for some money making venture that he can profit from CentralMass Monday #14
I'm surprised... ultralite001 Monday #15
drumpf only cares about himself. What's the grift angle here? JoseBalow Monday #18
The party of "states' rights", everyone. Karasu Monday #19
Murderer - on purpose! lark Monday #21
Will TFG order it to rain? Historic NY Monday #22
He'll fly over California and pee on it Wicked Blue Monday #30
We Californians must ignore or reject any and all edicts coming out of DC. Magoo48 Monday #25
This is going in an absurd direction, negating laws and contracts as the Sharpie flourishes bucolic_frolic Monday #26
Fire fighting efforts on this require ocean water drops from aircraft. Fires raging where fire hoses can't get Attilatheblond Monday #31
How is all that Canadian water going to get to CA? Order that, Dotard. Norrrm Monday #32
According to the dotard there are rivers that run from Canada through the Pacific Northwest to California Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #34
He's a bad business man, dumb as rocks and has no idea how things actually work. OMG 😱 TommieMommy Monday #33
Don't pay one dime of federal income tax to the Gov, California 4catsmom Monday #35
Federal water projects go to growing crops in the central valley. Xolodno Tuesday #36
Here is how the New York Times covered the issue: mahatmakanejeeves Tuesday #37

ReRe

(11,056 posts)
12. He and his entire cabal need to be institutionalized in insane asylums for the rest of their lives! n/t
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:32 AM
Monday

Attilatheblond

(4,969 posts)
27. Or sent back to school at the very least
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:36 PM
Monday

What then should know but don't know could fill the whole of the west coast.

Water exists but it can't all get to neighborhood systems in the abundance needed.

Hand TCF a fire hose and shovel, send him out to learn how things actually work.

Grumpy Old Guy

(3,661 posts)
10. That was my first thought as well.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:57 AM
Monday

I live five miles from the Palisades Fire. This is infuriating.

Baitball Blogger

(48,876 posts)
3. What needs to happen is daily public broadcasting announcements.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:47 PM
Sunday

Two parters:

First Part: This is the stupid thing Trump suggested today.

Second Part: Here are the details to explain why he speaks out of ignorance.

summer_in_TX

(3,400 posts)
11. This is why we need to urgently stand up a "Counter-Cabinet" or shadow cabinet as is used in
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:02 AM
Monday

Great Britain.

The "Counter-Secretary" of the Interior or of FEMA or the Counter-Administrator of the EPA should address this madness, not just California officials.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
13. Yep
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:34 AM
Monday

I suggested this months ago and was mocked for being unrealistic. Well reality is here. I am with you.

yellow dahlia

(796 posts)
4. Dunning Kruger effect
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:53 PM
Sunday

The grifter actually thinks he is all-knowing.

If he draws it with sharpie, he can create a valve and the pipes to reroute the water.

Journeyman

(15,218 posts)
5. Back during his 1st administration, his emphasis was on getting water for Central Valley farmers . . .
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:01 AM
Monday

and Los Angeles be damned.

He has a down pillow mind -- his thoughts take the form of the last person who speaks to him.

defacto7

(13,745 posts)
23. That's an interesting observation that sounds like some kind of right brain abnormality.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 09:55 AM
Monday

Left brain being more immediate last moment reactions, right being broad meaning discerning multiple ideas in time and space. It kind of makes sense.

travelingthrulife

(1,325 posts)
24. This is still his goal. He doesn't give a rat's ass about LA or wildfires
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 10:17 AM
Monday

Farmers in Ca voted for him so now he is going to get extra water for them. They are water wasters.

underpants

(188,057 posts)
28. Incoherent- water for the farms but no labor to work
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:36 PM
Monday

And I’m sure his ultra faithful in Western North Carolina are like “Hey! Did you forget us already?”

usonian

(15,378 posts)
6. A (very) brief primer on California water
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:21 AM
Monday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/104037248

Very short of it:

The whole thing is purely an irrigation and drinking water issue and has nothing to do with fighting fires. We have plenty of water for that and always have.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
7. The Point Of This
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:45 AM
Monday

The reason Trump is doing this has nothing to do with water or the fires. He is trying to exert federal power and control over California because Gavin Newsom stands up to him and Trump tries to destroy his enemies. That is it. Trump could give a damn about the water or the fires. Logical arguments are irrelevant to him (although they might not be irrelevant to the public). The way to stop Trump is to engage in pure power politics. I trust Gavin Newsom will try to find a way to block Trump. Newsom is smart and tough and we must back him to the hilt. One likely defense is State's Rights. We may be able to block Trump in the courts. It is not the only solution, but it is one weapon that we have.

kimbutgar

(23,917 posts)
8. He is such a troll
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:49 AM
Monday

I’d to see a meme depicted of him . But it has to be a mean looking troll

I love the sweet mischievous looking ones. !

pfitz59

(11,204 posts)
9. He wants the water for his agribusiness billionaire water hogs.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:57 AM
Monday

The folks who own 'Wonderful'.
"The Wonderful Company has been able to expand their agricultural operations through their ownership of the Kern Water Bank.[6] The Kern Water Bank is a man-made underground reservoir in the Central Valley.[7] The Department of Water Resources spent $74 million building the water bank, and it is the largest of its kind, capable of holding one million acre-feet of water.[8] Through what some sources have called backroom negotiations, in 1994 the water bank was transferred under what's known as Monterey Plus Amendments[9] from the public to the private ownership of the Resnick's.[8] It was passed from the Department of Water Resources to the agribusiness-dominated Kern County Water Authority, and from there to the Kern Water Bank Authority. The Kern Water Bank Authority consists of four water districts and a private company, Westside Mutual.[7] Westside is a shell corporation owned by Paramount Farming which is a subsidiary of The Wonderful Company.[7] It is primarily through Westside that the Resnicks own 57% of the Water Bank.[10] News outlets, academic papers, and advocacy groups have criticized The Wonderful Company for its possession of what was originally meant to be a public asset, and the monetary benefit they have gained through it.[11]

The Wonderful Company has been criticized for its aggressive consumption of water in the drought ridden state of California. The company has expanded its business even as California residents have faced water shortages and the water ecosystem has been irreversibly damaged.[11] Residents of the Central Valley, while the target of the company's charitable giving, suffer from an acute water crisis. It is also claimed that the company lobbies to privatize the state's water and funds opposition research on the impact of farming on the drought."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Company

CentralMass

(15,806 posts)
14. I can only assume that there is a nefarious intent to divert water for some money making venture that he can profit from
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:36 AM
Monday

JoseBalow

(6,200 posts)
18. drumpf only cares about himself. What's the grift angle here?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 03:13 AM
Monday

Letting farmers divert the water for a kickback? Some groundwork for an Elon tunnel project? Some shakedown for "solving" this issue he's creating for that purpose?

Whatever results in him cashing in, that's the reason he's doing it. That's the reason he does anything.

He sure as fuck doesn't care about wildfires, or the people they affect.

Karasu

(439 posts)
19. The party of "states' rights", everyone.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 05:34 AM
Monday

Fucking fascist hypocrites and liars, all of them. It was always bullshit.

The only thing they love more than complaining about the federal government is having full control of it.

lark

(24,453 posts)
21. Murderer - on purpose!
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 08:40 AM
Monday

He just wants to kill more Caifornians while appearing to help. He's evil incarnate!!!

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
25. We Californians must ignore or reject any and all edicts coming out of DC.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:30 PM
Monday

We must protect ourselves. Water conservation must be undertaken now by all businesses and individuals even if “it’s not needed now”.
Our legislators who are already are working to protect us, must create a series of plan B. Most of what the feds can do cannot be policed and also can be tied up in courts.

bucolic_frolic

(48,219 posts)
26. This is going in an absurd direction, negating laws and contracts as the Sharpie flourishes
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:33 PM
Monday

Attempts at rewriting reality to suit the Mad Man.

Attilatheblond

(4,969 posts)
31. Fire fighting efforts on this require ocean water drops from aircraft. Fires raging where fire hoses can't get
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 01:47 PM
Monday

City systems are built to supply water for household use and are limited to what they can deliver to multiple house fires. When one or more homes burn down, there are no faucets left to stop the flow coming from city sources, which lowers pressure further down the line. The US government, especially under Trump & his sycophants can't bend that reality to their will.

He is driven by megalomania and has NO grasp of reality. He will say whatever he thinks will make people hate the people he hates and is threatened by. He is insane and getting more dangerous by the minute. It's only been one week and a few hours and he has proven he is fucking insane.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(117,834 posts)
34. According to the dotard there are rivers that run from Canada through the Pacific Northwest to California
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 02:13 PM
Monday

Dumbass ought to look at a map now and then.

4catsmom

(411 posts)
35. Don't pay one dime of federal income tax to the Gov, California
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 04:56 PM
Monday

until someone can talk this lunatic down

Xolodno

(6,808 posts)
36. Federal water projects go to growing crops in the central valley.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:53 AM
Tuesday

And they mostly vote GOP, they get pissed when State controlled water projects go to LA or SF. The Feds can't touch those. Does the dumb ass know that LA actually owns two rivers which supply the city? He can't touch that either.

mahatmakanejeeves

(62,374 posts)
37. Here is how the New York Times covered the issue:
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 02:37 AM
Tuesday

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of challenging of the official account.

Trump Seeks to Assert More Control Over California’s Water

The president, who has assailed California’s leaders over wildfires, issued the directive in an executive order that was dated Friday but released on Sunday.


Fires destroyed the Pacific Palisades neighborhood of Los Angeles earlier this month. Erin Schaff/The New York Times

By Zach Montague and Catrin Einhorn
Jan. 27, 2025

The White House on Sunday released an executive order by President Trump that laid out a plan to exert the federal government’s role in California’s complex water management operations and claimed its authority to overrule state officials.

The order, dated Friday, comes after Mr. Trump traveled to the state to see the devastation from wildfires that have been raging in Los Angeles for weeks. It put formal directives behind Mr. Trump’s steady criticism of California’s leaders and their response to the fires.

In a section titled “Overriding Disastrous California Policies,” the order tasked more than half a dozen agencies with finding ways to circumvent federal and state laws that control various aspects of water management in California. It also directed the Interior Department to make decisions about how to supply water around the state, “notwithstanding any contrary state or local laws.”

More confrontational language in the order directed federal officials to stake out their authority without necessarily working alongside the state officials who manage the state’s reservoirs and plan for droughts and fires.

{snip}

Zach Montague is a Times reporter covering the U.S. Department of Education, the White House and federal courts. More about Zach Montague

Catrin Einhorn covers biodiversity, climate and the environment for The Times. More about Catrin Einhorn

A version of this article appears in print on Jan. 28, 2025, Section A, Page 19 of the New York edition with the headline: California’s New Water War: Trump Wants the Spigot. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
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