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BumRushDaShow

(146,207 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:46 PM Sunday

Sen. Adam Schiff says Trump 'broke the law' by firing 18 inspectors general

Source: NBC News

Jan. 26, 2025, 10:51 AM EST


Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., on Sunday blasted President Donald Trump for his decision to fire 18 inspectors general late Friday night and accused the president of breaking the law. “To write off this clear violation of law by saying, ‘Well,’ that ‘technically, he broke law.’ Yeah, he broke the law,” Schiff told NBC News’ “Meet the Press.”

His comment was responding to Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who earlier in the program told “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker that “technically, yeah,” Trump had violated the Inspector General Act, which Congress amended to strengthen protections from undue termination for inspectors general. “I’m not, you know, losing a whole lot of sleep that he wants to change the personnel out. I just want to make sure that he gets off to a good start,” Graham added.

In a later interview on CNN, Graham defended Trump more forcefully, saying, “Yes, I think he should have done that.” “He feels like the government hasn’t worked very well for the American people. These watchdog folks did a pretty lousy job. He wants some new eyes on Washington. And that makes sense to me,” he added.

But Schiff pushed back on that notion, warning that “if we don’t have good and independent inspector generals, we are going to see a swamp refill.” He added, “It may be the president’s goal here ... to remove anyone that’s going to call the public attention to his malfeasance.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/adam-schiff-trump-broke-law-firing-inspectors-general-rcna189327

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Sen. Adam Schiff says Trump 'broke the law' by firing 18 inspectors general (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sunday OP
Trump breaks the law early and often... Bluethroughu Sunday #1
so what will they do? 4catsmom Sunday #2
They won't Rebl2 Sunday #16
What do you think they can do? onenote Monday #18
Former JAG.Lindsay Graham supports choie Sunday #3
What else is new, Adam? He broke the law on January 6, 2020 and throughout his miserable life. He's a 34-time convicted Texin Sunday #4
He's just doing what the bluestarone Sunday #5
This is how you say "go F yourself sideways with a porcupine" in inspector general speak. LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #6
Uh are you sure though? Because I thought that the Constitution gives him the power to fire Federal employees? cstanleytech Sunday #7
the problem to me seems like there are no teeth to the act, no "or else" cadoman Sunday #15
Probably nothing will actually happen if what he did was within the powers of a President unfortunately. cstanleytech Monday #21
His cult will say Dump is in the right sakabatou Sunday #8
So? DJ Synikus Makisimus Sunday #9
Top House Democrats write to Trump rebuking Trump Admin's efforts to fire independent federal inspectors general, LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #10
"We urge you to withdraw your unlawful action?" Alice B. Sunday #11
The only thing trump does that's not against the law Turbineguy Sunday #12
This could rise to the level of an impeachable offense andym Sunday #13
While you are correct, he won't be impeached for this, nor should he imo Polybius Sunday #14
A question for the OP charliea Sunday #17
The supreme court's immunity decision is not relevant. onenote Monday #19
"Why are there quotes around 'he broke the law'?" BumRushDaShow Monday #20
The law says he has to give a 30-day notice and give a reason. everyonematters Monday #22
Trump wants to replace the watchdogs with lapdogs Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #23

Bluethroughu

(6,460 posts)
1. Trump breaks the law early and often...
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:50 PM
Sunday

Impeach or conviction won't happen because his army aka Republicans go right along with it. Their party hates America. Hates the Constitution. Hates the American people, but love billionaires and Nazis.

onenote

(44,914 posts)
18. What do you think they can do?
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:15 AM
Monday

He didn't commit a crime (and if he had, he would have immunity). All that can be done is for the terminated IGs to go to court seeking an order enjoining their terminations from taking effect. Assuming they are successful, Trump could simply submit the required notice and after 30 days, the terminations would be effective. Sure, objections could be raised based on the content of the notice -- but litigation is expensive so don't be surprised if some if not all of the terminated IGs ultimately give up the fight. I can't blame them, to be honest.

choie

(4,938 posts)
3. Former JAG.Lindsay Graham supports
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:52 PM
Sunday

trump's firing of inspector generals. What a lack of integrity, what a fraud.

Texin

(2,680 posts)
4. What else is new, Adam? He broke the law on January 6, 2020 and throughout his miserable life. He's a 34-time convicted
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 04:55 PM
Sunday

felon and an adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist. He's been breaking laws his entire execrable life and no one and nothing has ever been able to touch him in any meaningful way that even temporarily made him stop. Why would anything be different now?

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
6. This is how you say "go F yourself sideways with a porcupine" in inspector general speak.
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:10 PM
Sunday

This move was illegal



cstanleytech

(27,292 posts)
7. Uh are you sure though? Because I thought that the Constitution gives him the power to fire Federal employees?
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:27 PM
Sunday

If so then he unfortunately didn't break though law but that doesn't mean he isn't a complete and utter bastard who's grave I'd like to piss on.

cadoman

(1,047 posts)
15. the problem to me seems like there are no teeth to the act, no "or else"
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 10:32 PM
Sunday
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5a/compiledact-95-452/section-3

"An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. If an Inspector General is removed from office or is transferred to another position or location within an establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress, not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer. "

Okay, so what if the POTUS doesn't do that? It doesn't say what happens. So yeah, he's broken the law, but what happens as a consequence of that?

cstanleytech

(27,292 posts)
21. Probably nothing will actually happen if what he did was within the powers of a President unfortunately.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 08:48 AM
Monday
9. So?
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 05:38 PM
Sunday

The Biden Administration's Department of Justice had four years to drive a stake through the vampire's heart and drag the corpse into the sun so as to render it ash. Figuratively. They didn't. What they wound up proving is that the coercive power of the court system is to be "applied" only to the Not Rich. It's there to keep us in our place, especially should we come into confrontation with someone above our class. In that regard it's like the police and religion: they are institutions designed to keep the masters masters. The only time justice is applied to the rich is when they commit offenses against each other, as with Bernie Madoff; who, had he stuck to Not Rich people, would most likely never have seen the inside of a jail cell. It's ironic, in a way. Liberals are the ones most dedicated to preserving institutions, to maintaining the status quo; yet this colossal undermining happened on their watch.

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
10. Top House Democrats write to Trump rebuking Trump Admin's efforts to fire independent federal inspectors general,
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 06:35 PM
Sunday

andym

(5,776 posts)
13. This could rise to the level of an impeachable offense
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 07:27 PM
Sunday

The SC may even agree that impeachment is the appropriate punishment. But lots of luck having it prosecuted in the House or getting a conviction in the Senate.

Polybius

(18,930 posts)
14. While you are correct, he won't be impeached for this, nor should he imo
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 09:44 PM
Sunday

There will be many, many worse things that he will do in the coming months. Impeaching him for something like this will only make him stronger. Once he does something truly impeachable (invading Greenland), then you can impeach him and the public will turn against him.

charliea

(292 posts)
17. A question for the OP
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 11:33 PM
Sunday

Why are there quotes around "he broke the law"? He gave no 30 day notice to Congress, no written presentation of reasons as required by law so that sounds like a statement of fact.

My question is if he is immune from consequences of any official acts, as stated by SCOTUS, and hiring and firing personnel surely is, is he constrained by laws (rules) or does his word alone prevail over the will of the people (rule of law)?

I'm seriously concerned that the currently corrupt SC will find that laws constraining a unitary executive authority are really only guidelines, just like the president is currently pretending they are.


onenote

(44,914 posts)
19. The supreme court's immunity decision is not relevant.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 12:20 AM
Monday

It prevent criminal prosecutions. But many many things that are 'unlawful' -- including not giving the required notice before terminating IGs -- are not criminal violations. The courts can and should enjoin the terminations assuming any of the terminated IGs go to court. But they may opt not to do so since Trump could simply give the required notice and fire them again. Suing is expensive and I suspect its not worth the cost for an IG to go to court beyond getting one more month's pay.

BumRushDaShow

(146,207 posts)
20. "Why are there quotes around 'he broke the law'?"
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 04:05 AM
Monday

Because they are directly quoting a statement that Schiff made and included that in their headline?

In the first paragraph was this taken from Schiff's comments -

“To write off this clear violation of law by saying, ‘Well,’ that ‘technically, he broke law.’ Yeah, he broke the law,”


I don't think they were trying to decide if what he said was true or not but are actually using the quote marks because they are literally quoting him!

everyonematters

(3,622 posts)
22. The law says he has to give a 30-day notice and give a reason.
Mon Jan 27, 2025, 08:54 AM
Monday

This is another case where law makers didn't envision anyone like Trump who would so blatantly act the way he does. inspector generals serve a very important role in our government, ensuring integrity and efficiency.

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