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BumRushDaShow

(146,207 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:52 AM Saturday

AP Issues New Style Guidance -- Won't Follow Trump's Renaming of Gulf of Mexico

Source: MEDIAite

Jan 24th, 2025, 4:20 pm


The Associated Press issued an updated style guidance in response to President Donald Trump’s inauguration day executive order that purported to rename two geographic landmarks, announcing a decision to cooperate with only one of them.

Among Trump’s first day flurry of executive orders was one that purported to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America and to change the name of North America’s highest peak from Denali back to Mount McKinley, but the AP is only on board for the latter, citing the scope of U.S. presidential authority as the rationale behind how it would identify both places.

In a statement posted on its blog, the AP announced updates to the AP Stylebook, which is widely followed by media outlets around the globe.

“As a global news agency that disseminates news around the world, the AP must ensure that place names and geography are easily recognizable to all audiences,” the announcement stated. Accordingly, regarding Trump’s attempt to change the name of the body of water that borders Mexico and the Gulf states of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, the AP pointed out that the Gulf of Mexico “has carried that name for more than 400 years,” and the president’s order “only carries authority within the United States.”

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/trump/ap-issues-new-style-guidance-wont-follow-trumps-renaming-of-gulf-of-mexico/



Actually spotted that yesterday - The AP establishes style guidance on the Gulf of Mexico and Mount McKinley
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AP Issues New Style Guidance -- Won't Follow Trump's Renaming of Gulf of Mexico (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Saturday OP
I would feel better RockCreek Saturday #1
The AP's explanation makes perfect sense. Think. Again. Saturday #2
I see their reason, but not their reasoning. Jakes Progress Saturday #19
Since it only affects the U.S., they would respect the new name. Think. Again. Saturday #20
That'll sure show him! (sarcasm) Woodycall Saturday #3
Welcome to DU orangecrush Saturday #6
Thank you, AP. (nt) Paladin Saturday #4
This message was self-deleted by its author JohnnyRingo Saturday #8
AP can go to hell. Their last sliver of integrity died on the slopes Denali. hunter Saturday #5
You're blacklisting a powerful ally JohnnyRingo Saturday #9
King Fuckwit can call the mountain whatever he likes. hunter Saturday #13
The free press followed when it was renamed Denali. JohnnyRingo Saturday #18
Until they do? Marthe48 Saturday #7
So brave. travelingthrulife Saturday #10
Really they just don't give a shit but had to say something. twodogsbarking Saturday #11
This isn't a style guide issue SpankMe Saturday #12
"Organizations should wait until the various formal and official organizations that assign names to these things..." BumRushDaShow Saturday #14
I expect him to rename the Grand Tetons the Grand Trumps any day now. flashman13 Saturday #15
Trump will anglicize it by adding an "a" to Tetons or the less classy option: replace "e" with an "i" LeftInTX Saturday #17
The Grand Tatas? Still too classy. hay rick Saturday #21
And besides that, he should be working on the price of groceries he GoodRaisin Saturday #16
I really don't care what trump calls anything, do you? Linda ladeewolf Sunday #22
So he declares that New York is now Trumplandia Jakes Progress Tuesday #23
Nawh, Karma13612 23 hrs ago #24

RockCreek

(815 posts)
1. I would feel better
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:54 AM
Saturday

If the style guidance headline said "Gulf of Mexico" and "Mt Denali". The renaming needs to be refused everywhere.

Think. Again.

(20,752 posts)
2. The AP's explanation makes perfect sense.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:50 AM
Saturday

...no matter what toddler-tantrums greene throws about it.

Jakes Progress

(11,188 posts)
19. I see their reason, but not their reasoning.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 07:04 PM
Saturday

What will they do if he decides to change MLK day to Melania Appreciation Day? That only affects the US.

Response to Paladin (Reply #4)

hunter

(39,191 posts)
5. AP can go to hell. Their last sliver of integrity died on the slopes Denali.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 08:18 AM
Saturday

They remain on my blacklist.

JohnnyRingo

(19,556 posts)
9. You're blacklisting a powerful ally
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 11:21 AM
Saturday

Anyone who reads a newspaper, as I do every day, knows that AP wire articles always add the truth behind Trump's statements and actions.

The AP may be the last stalwart fact checkers left in media. The Associated Press constantly counter his claims to a "rigged election" and denial of climate change, among other propaganda being spread by this administration.

They're probably not including Denali because, unlike the gulf, the US can name it whatever we want. It's ours.
The AP is refusing to release global statements naming something known by the rest of the world as The Gulf Of Mexico, regardless what Trump's ego wants to call it.

hunter

(39,191 posts)
13. King Fuckwit can call the mountain whatever he likes.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:26 PM
Saturday

Can a supposedly free press be compelled to follow?

JohnnyRingo

(19,556 posts)
18. The free press followed when it was renamed Denali.
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 05:54 PM
Saturday

Seems like the "news" should denounce conservatism and see things our way, but I wouldn't want leftist propaganda either.
I want my news like I like my whiskey. Straight up and sometimes with a bite. No sugar coating.

SpankMe

(3,346 posts)
12. This isn't a style guide issue
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:25 PM
Saturday

The gulf and mountain haven't been re-named, so there's no need to say that you're going to continue referring to them by their old names. Organizations should wait until the various formal and official organizations that assign names to these things actually change the name, and then announce how you're going to refer to them.

On the other hand, if it's that easy to just rename things, then I'm going to push for a state government order to rename Mar-a-Lago as Shitberg and demand that the AP use that from now on.

BumRushDaShow

(146,207 posts)
14. "Organizations should wait until the various formal and official organizations that assign names to these things..."
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 01:59 PM
Saturday
actually change the name,and then announce how you're going to refer to them.


Some history (the below will probably be purged soon soon...)

USGS

(snip)

Denali goes to the U.S. Board

The Alaska State Board on Geographic Names, acting under state authority, made the name Denali official for state use in 1975. Soon afterward, Alaska Governor Jay S. Hammond petitioned the Secretary of the Interior for federal recognition of the name by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN).

The BGN, in accordance with its customary practice, did not act immediately on Hammond’s request in order to hear the views of many other interested parties. Due to continued reaction to the name-change proposal by the public and elected officials, the BGN took no decisive action until its July 1977 meeting, when it was agreed that public meetings should be held. The first meeting was held in October at the Department of the Interior in Washington, D.C.; the second in November in Anchorage, Alaska.

An impasse with Congress and the Board

The BGN then indicated that it expected to render a decision on the name change proposal at its December 1977 meeting. Prior to that meeting, however, the Ohio congressional delegation introduced a joint resolution in Congress, which if passed, would “retain the name Mount McKinley in perpetuity.” As a result, the BGN deferred any action on the issue at that December meeting — and for many years afterward as the Ohio delegation to Congress continued to introduce legislation to keep the name Mount McKinley.

In order to distance itself from political considerations, the BGN adopted a policy in the 1960s that it would not consider geographic name issues that were the subject of pending congressional legislation, a policy later endorsed by the Secretary of the Interior in 1981. The consequence of this well-intentioned policy was that the repeated introduction of legislation by the Ohio delegation (1977-2015) had the effect of indefinitely deferring any further consideration of the McKinley-Denali controversy by the BGN.

“The 38-year impasse between the BGN and Congress was unique in BGN history, a situation that was never anticipated when the policy was adopted,” said Doug Caldwell, Chair, U.S. Board on Geographic Names.

Meanwhile, the people of Alaska continued to show their support for the name Denali. Resolutions in support of BGN recognition of the name for federal use were adopted by the Alaska State Board on Geographic Names in 2001 and 2009. The Alaska delegation to Congress offered several bills in support of the name; the most recent was sponsored by Senators Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan in January 2015. As recently as August 12, 2015, the Denali Borough Assembly (the local government that encompasses the mountain) adopted a resolution to support “federal designation for the tallest North American peak as Denali.”



Enter the Secretary

Under the 1947 law that empowers the BGN to standardize and approve geographic names, the Secretary of the Interior has equal (“conjoint” is the term used in the law) authority with the BGN. In fact, under the law, the Secretary is responsible for overseeing the BGN’s actions. The law explicitly states that action “may be taken by the Secretary in any matter wherein the Board does not act within a reasonable time.”

Forty years have passed since former Alaska Governor Hammond first petitioned for a name change in 1975. In view of the expressed will of the people of Alaska and in keeping with the principles of the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, Secretary Jewell has now taken action to rename Mount McKinley as Denali under the authority granted to her office by the law.

All Americans can appreciate that the citizens of Alaska deserve to have national recognition of the ancient, sacred, and popular name that they favor for the preeminent mountain of North America.

https://www.usgs.gov/news/featured-story/old-name-officially-returns-nations-highest-peak


Secretary Jewell Announces Nation’s Highest Peak Will Now Officially Bear Native Name

Endorsed by President Obama, Secretary Jewell Changes Name of Mount McKinley to Denali
08/30/2015
Last edited 09/29/2021


ANCHORAGE, AK – In recognition of the long history of strong support from Alaska state, tribal and congressional leaders, and in resolution of an official request for a name change pending for 40 years, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell today announced that the highest mountain in the United States and North America, formerly known as Mount McKinley, will be officially given the traditional Koyukon Athabascan name of Denali.

President Obama endorsed Jewell’s decision to issue a Secretarial Order that officially changes the name. Jewell is granted the authority to make such changes in certain cases per the 1947 federal law that provides for the standardization of geographic names through the U.S. Board on Geographic Names. The name change will be reflected in all federal usage.

“This name change recognizes the sacred status of Denali to many Alaska Natives,” Secretary Jewell said. “The name Denali has been official for use by the State of Alaska since 1975, but even more importantly, the mountain has been known as Denali for generations. With our own sense of reverence for this place, we are officially renaming the mountain Denali in recognition of the traditions of Alaska Natives and the strong support of the people of Alaska.”

Since 1897 and until today, the official name of the mountain in federal publications has been Mount McKinley. The mountain retained the federally authorized name Mount McKinley, even as the name of the national park was changed in 1980 from Mount McKinley National Park into the new (and larger) area named Denali National Park and Preserve under the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act.

“Recognizing the long history and discussion about the name of this iconic American mountain, the time has come to restore the traditional Alaska Native title Denali for this landmark, which holds great significance to the people of Alaska,” said National Park Service Director Jonathan B. Jarvis.

In 1896, a prospector emerged from exploring the mountains of central Alaska and received news that William McKinley had been nominated as a candidate for President of the United States. In a show of support, the prospector declared the tallest peak of the Alaska Range as Mount McKinley – and the name stuck.

For centuries, the mountain that rises more than 20,000 feet above sea level, the tallest on the North American continent, had been known by another name – Denali. McKinley, our 25th President, was tragically assassinated just six months into his second term, but he never set foot in Alaska.

On March 11, 1975, Governor Jay S. Hammond of Alaska requested that the Secretary of the Interior direct the U.S. Board on Geographic Names to officially designate Mount McKinley in Alaska as Denali. This proposal, never withdrawn, is based on a resolution that was passed by the Alaska State Legislature.

Since 1977, the Board, in deference to potential congressional action, had not resolved the proposal for changing the federally recognized geographic name from Mount McKinley to Denali. Secretary Jewell’s action today finally resolves the March 1975 petition by former Governor Hammond.

Denali National Park & Preserve, where the mountain is located, was established in 1917 and annually sees more than 500,000 visitors to the 6 million acres that now make up the park and preserve. About 1,200 mountaineers attempt to summit the mountain each year; typically about half are successful.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/secretary-jewell-announces-nation%E2%80%99s-highest-peak-will-now-bear-native


On the other hand, if it's that easy to just rename things, then I'm going to push for a state government order to rename Mar-a-Lago as Shitberg and demand that the AP use that from now on.


The state of AK asked for the change decades ago, a current law requires the feds to recognize the authority of the state as a justification to make the change, that request was ignored until the Obama administration MADE the change, which has now been upended, and the state is now protesting this latest change.

LeftInTX

(31,902 posts)
17. Trump will anglicize it by adding an "a" to Tetons or the less classy option: replace "e" with an "i"
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 04:14 PM
Saturday

Maybe he will drop the "on" and add an "ie"

GoodRaisin

(9,740 posts)
16. And besides that, he should be working on the price of groceries he
Sat Jan 25, 2025, 03:46 PM
Saturday

promised all his stupid magats he was going to lower.

Linda ladeewolf

(573 posts)
22. I really don't care what trump calls anything, do you?
Sun Jan 26, 2025, 01:06 AM
Sunday

It will always be the Gulf of Mexico and Denali to me. Not changing.

Jakes Progress

(11,188 posts)
23. So he declares that New York is now Trumplandia
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:23 PM
Tuesday

Last edited Wed Jan 29, 2025, 02:01 AM - Edit history (1)

and google just says "We'll get right on that".

Land of stupid. Land of little shits.

Karma13612

(4,726 posts)
24. Nawh,
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:40 AM
23 hrs ago

He’ll rename California as Liberal Leftists Hippies West and New York as Liberal Leftists Hippies East.

I’m getting my patch sewn as we speak.

But you are right, it’s all BS. The authorities in charge of making the names official will take their sweet time doing so. It isn’t happening anytime soon.

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