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LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 01:50 PM Thursday

Judge blocks Trump's 'blatantly unconstitutional' executive order that aims to end birthright citizenship

Source: CNN

A federal judge said Thursday that President Donald Trump’s executive order ending birthright citizenship was “blatantly unconstitutional” and that he was issuing a temporary restraining order to block it.

Judge John Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee who sits in Seattle, granted the request by Washington Attorney General Nick Brown and three other Democratic-led states for the emergency order halting implementation of the policy for the next 14 days while there are more briefings in the legal challenge.

A federal judge said Thursday that President Donald Trump’s executive order ending birthright citizenship was “blatantly unconstitutional” and that he was issuing a temporary restraining order to block it.

Judge John Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee who sits in Seattle, granted the request by Washington Attorney General Nick Brown and three other Democratic-led states for the emergency order halting implementation of the policy for the next 14 days while there are more briefings in the legal challenge.

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/birthright-citizenship-lawsuit-hearing-seattle




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Judge blocks Trump's 'blatantly unconstitutional' executive order that aims to end birthright citizenship (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Thursday OP
Breaking banners flying BumRushDaShow Thursday #1
Yes!! Mike 03 Thursday #2
There are two kinds of US citizens these days. Kid Berwyn Thursday #3
It's easy to identify which is which by the color of their hat. Ray Bruns Thursday #8
Was just about to post Reuters' story here when I saw your OP. highplainsdem Thursday #4
The Guardian BumRushDaShow Thursday #5
Like the judge, I am amazed that any lawyer would be stupid enough to think that this executive order was constitutional LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #6
"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it" speak easy Thursday #15
I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar could state unequivocally that is a constitutional order," Ray Bruns Thursday #7
Go after the lawyers! otchmoson Thursday #13
Fearful that Dumpy Thursday #9
Why? It's been upheld before apparently. ... littlemissmartypants Thursday #14
Two other articles on it Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Thursday #10
This is only the first of many losses by TFG in the courts LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #11
ooooh, what will be the retribution from the dotard to those states? IzzaNuDay Thursday #12
'Boggles my mind': Judge delivers scathing smackdown of Trump executive order LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #16
So, i saw a post that said we should just let this go into effect while Trump is in office. Calista241 Thursday #17
The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong LetMyPeopleVote Friday #18
Neal Katyal is not impressed with trump's lawyers attempt to justify this clearly unconstitutional executive order LetMyPeopleVote Friday #19

Kid Berwyn

(18,892 posts)
3. There are two kinds of US citizens these days.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 01:54 PM
Thursday

Those who uphold the Constitution of the United States.

Those who don't.

It's simple, and I won't stand with and for anyone who won't uphold the Constitution of the United States.

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
6. Like the judge, I am amazed that any lawyer would be stupid enough to think that this executive order was constitutional
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 02:06 PM
Thursday

This executive order is based on some crackpot theories advanced by John Eastman. Eastman was disbarred because he is RWNJ lawyer who is too stupid to understand the constitution. I love the judge's comments
https://bsky.app/profile/liselatulippe.bsky.social/post/3lggk7p4sxs24



https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-challenge-trumps-executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship/story

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour on Thursday heard a request made by four Democratic-led states to issue a temporary restraining order against the executive order signed by Trump that purports to limit birthright citizenship -- long guaranteed by the 14th Amendment -- to people who have at least one parent who is a United States citizen or permanent resident.

"I have been on the bench for over four decades," said Judge Coughenour, who was nominated to the bench by President Ronald Reagan in 1981. "I can't remember another case where the case presented is as clear as it is here. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order."

"In your opinion, is this executive order constitutional?" he asked DOJ attorney Brett Shumate.

"Yes, we think it is," Shumate said, drawing the judge's rebuke.

"I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar can state unequivocally that this is an unconstitutional order. It boggles my mind," Coughenour said. "Where were the lawyers when this decision was being made?"

speak easy

(11,066 posts)
15. "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it"
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 04:52 PM
Thursday

attributed to Andrew Jackson.

I have no doubt the MAGA Administration will defy court rulings, but probably not this one.

Ray Bruns

(4,868 posts)
7. I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar could state unequivocally that is a constitutional order,"
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 02:20 PM
Thursday

The judge must not have have ever met a MAGA lawyer.

otchmoson

(82 posts)
13. Go after the lawyers!
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 03:36 PM
Thursday

Maybe the state's bar association should see which lawyers' signatures are on the order and consider revoking their licenses. They should be asked to provide credentials showing they indeed passed the bar and explain why they should not be investigated and/or removed for incompetence or malpractice. Maybe they could be compelled to remediate their obvious lack of understanding of constitutional law.

littlemissmartypants

(26,351 posts)
14. Why? It's been upheld before apparently. ...
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 04:27 PM
Thursday

I've read that fact in other places already.

Chief Justice Roberts will not want to be responsible for the chaos that this would unleash anyway.

❤️

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(117,834 posts)
10. Two other articles on it
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 02:42 PM
Thursday
BREAKING: Federal Judge Blocks Trump's Executive Order Ending Birthright Citizenship

A federal judge in Seattle has officially blocked a recent executive order signed by Donald Trump which would remove birthright citizenship from Americans who were born to undocumented parents. The order today is a temporary ruling but underscores the constitutional issues posed by Trump's executive order.

Judge Coughenour, an appointee of Ronald Reagan, scolded government attorneys, telling them: “I've been on the bench for over four decades. I can’t remember another case where the question presented is as clear as this one. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order.”

This is officially the first loss for the new Trump Administration in court, just days after Trump initially signed the order. The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees the right of citizenship to those born on American soil. Trump has tried to modify that guarantee to be able to deport families together, with their American born children.

The executive order is extremely legally dubious and now the Trump Administration is experiencing the impacts of the ruling in court, with a federal judge putting on pause the executive order. The decision is temporary meaning that the order could be reinstated at a later date, but even conservative scholars have hinted that the executive order is not constitutional.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/breaking-federal-judge-blocks-trumps

Judge grants WA’s request to temporarily block Trump’s birthright citizenship order

A federal judge in Seattle on Thursday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s executive order seeking to end birthright citizenship.

U.S. District Court Judge John Coughenour’s ruling in a case brought by Washington and three other states is the first in what is sure to be a long legal fight over the order’s constitutionality.

Coughenour called the order “blatantly unconstitutional.”

“I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar could state unequivocally that is a constitutional order,” the judge told the Trump administration’s attorney. “It boggles my mind.”

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/breaking-federal-judge-blocks-trumps

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
16. 'Boggles my mind': Judge delivers scathing smackdown of Trump executive order
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 06:23 PM
Thursday

I was born while my dad was in the military stationed in Wiesbaden Germany. My father was part of the first generation of his family born in the US and was fluent in German which was why he was station in Germany while the Korean war was pending. While taking con law, I decided to read up on citizenship and the 14th Amendment. It took me no time at all to determine that I am a citizen, but I then read up on birthright citizenship. TFG's executive order on birthright citizenship was amusing and was based on that idiot John Eastman. John Eastman has been disbarred in large part because he is a bad attorney who does NOT understand the constitution. I really enjoyed the comments of the judge in this case.



https://www.rawstory.com/boggles-my-mind-judge-delivers-scathing-smackdown-of-trump-birthright-citizenship-order/

Coughenour, a Reagan-appointee, asked Shumate directly, “In your opinion is this executive order constitutional?

“It absolutely is," Shumate answered.

“Frankly, I have difficulty understanding how a member of the Bar could state unequivocally that this is a constitutional order,”
Coughenour shot back. “It just boggles my mind.”.....

After the hearing, Washington Attorney general Nick Brown said Coughenour’s comments reinforced “that no one individual, not even the president of the United States can simply erase what it means to amend the Constitution.”

Calista241

(5,612 posts)
17. So, i saw a post that said we should just let this go into effect while Trump is in office.
Thu Jan 23, 2025, 10:40 PM
Thursday

That way, the next Dem President could just revoke Trump’s executive orders. By challenging the EO in court, we’re throwing ourselves at the mercy of this conservative Supreme Court.

LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
18. The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:06 PM
Friday

Judge John Coughenour is correct in stating that this executive order is clearly unconstitutional. The legal justification for this executive order is based on the claim the term "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" allows TFG to exclude children whose parents are not citizens. That argument is wrong. This term only excludes Indians and the children of diplomats



Why hasn’t anyone pointed this out yet??! ‼️🍼 On birthright citizenship..

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

The requirement that a person be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," however, excludes its application to
‼️children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation! ‼️

We have been illegally invaded with hostility.

Based on the first sentence of Section 1, the Court has held that a child born in the United States of Chinese parents who were ineligible to be naturalized themselves is nevertheless a citizen of the United States entitled to all the rights and privileges of citizenship.' The requirement that a person be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," however, excludes its application to children born of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation,

The requirement that a person be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," however, excludes its application to children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation!


LetMyPeopleVote

(157,107 posts)
19. Neal Katyal is not impressed with trump's lawyers attempt to justify this clearly unconstitutional executive order
Fri Jan 24, 2025, 04:42 PM
Friday

I am having trouble seeing how any attorney who passed the bar would make this argument.




From the latest DOJ filing



How the issues of Indians were dealt with by statute


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