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endgenocide

(137 posts) Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:27 AM Jan 9

Ramping up criticism of Israel, Pope Francis calls situation in Gaza 'shameful'

Source: NBC news

Pope Francis on Thursday stepped up his recent criticism of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza, calling the humanitarian situation in the Palestinian enclave “very serious and shameful”.

“We cannot in any way accept the bombing of civilians,” the text said.

“We cannot accept that children are freezing to death because hospitals have been destroyed or a country’s energy network has been hit.”

Francis, leader of the 1.4-billion-member Roman Catholic Church, is usually careful about taking sides in conflicts. But he has recently been more outspoken about Israel’s military campaign against Palestinian militant group Hamas, and has suggested the global community should study whether the offensive constitutes a genocide of the Palestinian people.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ramping-criticism-israel-pope-francis-calls-situation-gaza-shameful-rcna186939

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Ramping up criticism of Israel, Pope Francis calls situation in Gaza 'shameful' (Original Post) endgenocide Jan 9 OP

K&R ck4829 Jan 9 #1

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I'm not attacking Israel endgenocide Jan 9 #7

You linked to the story which is not even relevant to what the Pope actully said, let alone reflect on the situation in Beastly Boy Jan 9 #10

Send your complaints to NBC news endgenocide Jan 9 #13

I will keep this in mind the next time I don't see their stories pop up on DU. Beastly Boy Jan 9 #17

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I challene you to read the Pope's address and find anything in it referring to Beastly Boy Jan 9 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Jan 9 #4

He does mention Gaza al bupp Jan 9 #5

OK. so he does refer to hostages held in Gaza as a very serious and shameful humanitarian situation, Beastly Boy Jan 9 #8

I suppose, sir, that you should take up your criticism w/ NBC's headline writers al bupp Jan 9 #12

I did. Likewise, I criticised the post which credulously amplified and validated the spin. Beastly Boy Jan 9 #15

I'm not spinning anything, I simply pasted the endgenocide Jan 9 #6

Since I didn't accuse anyone in particular of spining, let me clarify: Beastly Boy Jan 9 #9

OK it's that damn liberal media endgenocide Jan 9 #14

Too bad Joe Biden didn't get to see the Pope next week because of the California fire emergency. C0RI0LANUS Jan 9 #16

ck4829

(36,247 posts)

1. K&R

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Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:09 AM

Jan 9

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endgenocide

(137 posts)

7. I'm not attacking Israel

Reply to Post removed (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:56 AM

Jan 9

I'm simply linking relevant stories to the situation in Gaza, which I and many here on DU find appalling. You don't have to read them if you don't want to. It's a free country!

Beastly Boy

(11,509 posts)

10. You linked to the story which is not even relevant to what the Pope actully said, let alone reflect on the situation in

Reply to endgenocide (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:59 PM

Jan 9

Gaza.

Which was easy enough to get verified.

You didn't. The end result is that you linked to a false account of what the Pope said.

You know this now. And I don't believe that you have any intention to either correct your post to reflect it, or to delete the post.

endgenocide

(137 posts)

13. Send your complaints to NBC news

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:24 PM

Jan 9

Beastly Boy

(11,509 posts)

17. I will keep this in mind the next time I don't see their stories pop up on DU.

Reply to endgenocide (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:54 PM

Jan 9

But since you posted the link, perhaps you should send YOUR complaints to them

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Beastly Boy

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3. I challene you to read the Pope's address and find anything in it referring to

Reply to endgenocide (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:16 AM

Jan 9

"the situation in Gaza" being "shameful".

Here's the link, knock yourself out:
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2025/january/documents/20250109-corpo-diplomatico.html

The address mentions violations of human rights in Sudan, the Sahel, the Horn of Africa, Mozambique. Congo, Myanmar, Haiti, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Syria and Lebanon by name, but not Gaza.

But... spin, spin, spin!

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al bupp

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5. He does mention Gaza

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Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 AM

Jan 9

From https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/speeches/2025/january/documents/20250109-corpo-diplomatico.html

Similarly, I renew my appeal for a ceasefire and the release of the Israeli hostages in Gaza, where there is a very serious and shameful humanitarian situation, and I ask that the Palestinian population receive all the aid it needs. My prayerful hope is that Israelis and Palestinians can rebuild the bridges of dialogue and mutual trust, starting with the smallest, so that future generations can live side by side in the two States, in peace and security, and that Jerusalem can be the “city of encounter”, where Christians, Jews and Muslims live together in harmony and respect. Just last June, in the Vatican gardens, we joined in commemorating the tenth anniversary of the Invocation for Peace in the Holy Land that, on 8 June 2014, saw the presence of the then President of the State of Israel, Shimon Peres, and the President of the State of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas, along with Patriarch Bartholomew I. That meeting bore witness to the fact that dialogue is always possible and that we cannot give in to the idea that enmity and hatred between peoples will have the upper hand. (Emphasis mine)

Beastly Boy

(11,509 posts)

8. OK. so he does refer to hostages held in Gaza as a very serious and shameful humanitarian situation,

Reply to al bupp (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:38 PM

Jan 9

and he does ask that the Palestinian population receive all the aid it needs.

But calling the Israeli hostage situation serious and shameful, and asking for aid to the Palestinian population does not amount to either "stepp[ing] up his recent criticism of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza", or "calling the humanitarian situation in the Palestinian enclave “very serious and shameful”.

But... spin, spin, spin.

al bupp

(2,390 posts)

12. I suppose, sir, that you should take up your criticism w/ NBC's headline writers

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:50 PM

Jan 9

And, BTW you clearly know a spin when you don't even happen to see one, as in your previous post. But, maybe it was more of a prediction. As they say, it takes one to know one.

Beastly Boy

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15. I did. Likewise, I criticised the post which credulously amplified and validated the spin.

Reply to al bupp (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:41 PM

Jan 9

I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

endgenocide

(137 posts)

6. I'm not spinning anything, I simply pasted the

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:54 AM

Jan 9

headline and a few paragraphs at the beginning of the article, as per the DU breaking news rules. You call that spin? Or maybe you don't trust NBC news, either way it has nothing to do with me spinning anything I am just calling attention to the story.

Beastly Boy

(11,509 posts)

9. Since I didn't accuse anyone in particular of spining, let me clarify:

Reply to endgenocide (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:48 PM

Jan 9

You are amplifying the spin that is contained in the article you cited. I know why your source did this: it's click bait to generate profits by feeding manure to its target audiences. It's their business model.

And you are doing it... why?

endgenocide

(137 posts)

14. OK it's that damn liberal media

Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:25 PM

Jan 9

NBC the liberal media where have I heard that before?

C0RI0LANUS

(2,388 posts)

16. Too bad Joe Biden didn't get to see the Pope next week because of the California fire emergency.

Reply to endgenocide (Original post)

Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:56 PM

Jan 9

The first-ever Jesuit Pope might have had an earful for Joe Biden about the "shameful" situation in the Gaza Strip, but the addressing the California fires scrubbed the POTUS Italy summit. Their first meeting was quite warm and they shared some laughs. I don't know if the Pope received Confession from Joe Biden.

Footnote:

The RW Likud is the enemy of peace and the Democratic Party. There are many, many Israelis opposed to "Crime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu," to wit:

Israel's first female Attorney-General Mrs. Gali Baharav-Miara is prosecuting Bibi for massive corruption and requested that his wife Sara be investigated for alleged trial interference.

Ms. Stav Shaffir, head of Israel's Green Party.

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