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BumRushDaShow

(145,379 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:45 PM Jan 5

Klobuchar knows of no Democrats objecting to certifying Trump's win

Source: Axios

9 hours ago


Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) said she does not "know of" any Democrats who plan to object to the certification of President-elect Trump's election victory Monday.

Why it matters: Not only will the day stir up memories of the 2020 election certification, but it will also see Vice President Kamala Harris certify her loss to a man she repeatedly characterized as a threat to American democracy.

  • She joins a small club of other vice presidents throughout history who have had to oversee the affirmation of their loss through their role as the president of the Senate.
  • Harris and the newly sworn-in Senate will operate under the updated Electoral Count Act, which makes objections harder to raise and safeguards them from delaying the certification process without sufficient congressional support.


  • Driving the news: Klobuchar said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" that while she knows of no Democrats who plan to object to Trump's win, "the process allows for these objections."

  • But she pointed to the Electoral Count Act, which raised the threshold for support of an objection to 20% of each congressional body. Previously, it took only one member of each chamber to challenge a state's electors.
  • "That's [prolonged debate over objections] what was used as a trigger ... last January 6th, to slow down the process, and then, of course, ultimately seen by the insurrectionists as a way they could derail the will of the American people," Klobuchar told Jake Tapper.

  • Over 140 Republicans objected to Biden's 2020 win.


  • Read more: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/05/klobuchar-no-dems-object-trumps-win
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    bucolic_frolic

    (47,958 posts)
    1. 140
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 07:52 PM
    Jan 5

    We can't object as election deniers. It's not our theory, and not supported at all.

    14A Sec 3 is the best opportunity but was emasculated by GOP 6R SCOTUS.

    You need a theory, belief, facts to hang your hat. J6 Committee reported it and all the world saw it with their own eyes.

    Not good enough.

    ColinC

    (11,080 posts)
    3. The constitution is clear
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:04 PM
    Jan 5
    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.


    Whether congress fulfills their duty in upholding the constitution is an entirely different matter. This isn't about who won the election, it's about whether the supreme law of the land allows the winner to hold office. It clearly says he cannot.

    kelly1mm

    (5,463 posts)
    8. I don't think congress will even discuss the subject and thanks to the electoral certification changes
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:08 PM
    Jan 5

    made after Jan 6, 2020, challenges of any kind will be MUCH harder.

    If President Trump were miraculously disqualified by the congress the VP Vance would be sworn in anyway. Out of the frying pan and into the fire ......

    ColinC

    (11,080 posts)
    9. Wrong. If Trump is not certified, Harris becomes president. Read the article by the SCOTUS clerks.
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 11:31 PM
    Jan 5
    https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/5055171-constitution-insurrection-trump-disqualification/

    To make an objection under the Count Act requires a petition signed by 20 percent of the members of each House. If the objection is sustained by majority vote in each house, the vote is not counted and the number of votes required to be elected is reduced by the number of disqualified votes. If all votes for Trump were not counted, Kamala Harris would be elected president.

    Marthe48

    (19,620 posts)
    2. Because even if the U.S. Constitution is drunk on its ass
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:02 PM
    Jan 5

    because rwnj spiked its drink, the Dems will support the insanity and hope the Constitution snaps the hell out of it.

    MFM008

    (20,016 posts)
    4. This democrat
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:18 PM
    Jan 5

    Objects. Strongly. And as long as the Democratic party keeps bending over like the billionaires the Republicans are going to continue to take advantage.

    J_William_Ryan

    (2,319 posts)
    5. "no Democrats objecting to certifying Trump's win"
    Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:29 PM
    Jan 5

    That’s because Democrats are champions of democracy and respect the will of the people – no matter how wrong the people are.

    nuxvomica

    (13,072 posts)
    11. But not constitutional democracy apparently
    Mon Jan 6, 2025, 03:11 AM
    Jan 6

    There's no way you can slice this as anything but a denial of the Constitution.

    Polybius

    (18,720 posts)
    16. Not necessarily
    Tue Jan 7, 2025, 12:55 AM
    Jan 7

    It now takes 20% in the House (dumb new law we passed), rather than just one. It did not get the 20% obviously, but if some members objected, it was private.

    Response to onenote (Reply #17)

    onenote

    (44,866 posts)
    18. That is not how the process works
    Wed Jan 8, 2025, 05:20 PM
    Jan 8

    Objections, if any are made publicly when the VP announces the results of a state. If there are enough objections it moves to a non public session.

    Speci, the VP reads the votes by each state in alphabetical order: Starting with Alabama, Harris will open the certificates and hand them down to one of the tellers. After the teller announces the result, Harris will ask if there are any objections. If there are objections as there were in 2021, this would be when they're heard.

    If the new, higher threshold for an objection is reached the VP would announce that the two chambers will deliberate separately on the pending objection and report its decision back to the joint session. The Senate would withdraw from the joint session and return to its chamber. Both chambers would get up to two hours to debate whether to uphold the objection. It requires the vote of half of each chamber to sustain an objection.

    Polybius

    (18,720 posts)
    20. Was just going on what someone wrote the other day here
    Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:04 PM
    Jan 8

    They said the process changed with the new law. No one corrected them, but they were incorrect, my bad.

    Firestorm49

    (4,257 posts)
    12. "No Democrats objecting"? Sounds typical of our dont fight back" mentality.
    Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:09 AM
    Jan 6

    A convicted felon is about to take us down the road to ruin and we still feel the need be polite? Then I guess we have it coming. Sorry.

    According to the illusion of section three of the14th Amendment - oh, sorry - the “concept” of section three, as a convicted felon, what’s his name should never have been allowed to hold office ever again. We had years to confront the situation with earnest, but chose to be polite and let them rub it in our face. We deserve what we are about to get, or lose, depending on your point of view.

    The time to fight is over. We watched it happen. We will now watch on the sidelines as we sink into a fascist state. As acting VP, Harris should at the very least try to rub some shit in their faces before she departs, but that would be impolite. Sometimes I feel like a British soldier during the Revolutionary war.

    We had our chance to stand up for our Constitution and blew it. What’s coming up next will be ugly.



    Bengus81

    (7,584 posts)
    14. Watched it happen watching Garland for years and saying WHEN boy WHEN??
    Mon Jan 6, 2025, 11:42 AM
    Jan 6

    Biggest pussy in Government AND a Republican.

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