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Dem4life1970

(663 posts) Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:37 PM Nov 20

The final 2024 election tally is almost in. It should end the MAGA mandate myth.

Source: MSNBC

It’s been just over two weeks since the election and, because of the pace at which California counts votes, it’s only now that we almost have the final vote tally for the entire election. And guess what?

Yes, Donald Trump won the election. He will be the next president. There’s no question about that. But it’s also one of the narrowest popular vote wins in U.S. history. He got less than half the votes cast, winning a plurality but not a majority of the popular vote.

Trump won by about 2.5 million votes out of more than 150 million cast. That means his lead over Vice President Kamala Harris in the popular vote is down to about 1.6%. In fact, when comparing Trump’s margin of victory to every presidential election going back to 2000, the president-elect boasts the smallest margin of anyone who’s actually won their election and the popular vote.

Not only was Trump’s victory historically narrow, but Democrats also did surprisingly well in down-ballot races for a “losing” side. Yes, they lost three Senate seats in Ohio, West Virginia and Montana — states that Trump won by huge margins. That’s the sort of result you expect. But Democrats also managed to eke out four Senate victories in swing states that Trump won: Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona. That’s not what you’d expect.

Read more: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-mandate-win-agenda-rcna181039

Yes, I have joined the Morning Joe Boycott, but I am not boycotting MSNBC, too many good people there (Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Nicole Wallace, Lawrence O-Donnell, etc.).

I do like that as the vote totals are still being counted we are seeing Trump's lead shrink and shrink. 1.6% is not a mandate, it is a skin-of-your-teeth victory, with the corresponding swing state google searches of "How do I change my vote" and "Are tariffs bad?" leading the way.

This is helping my heart heal from a stunning 2016 feeling that I was hoping I would never feel again. This time felt different and it was deja vu all over again. Great article.

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The final 2024 election tally is almost in. It should end the MAGA mandate myth. (Original Post) Dem4life1970 Nov 20 OP

A little perspective on the autopsy of this election as well... Dem4life1970 Nov 20 #1

Facts don't matter Miguelito Loveless Nov 20 #2

Fascisim Is Delusional Which Is Why Fascists Reject Facts Instead Embracing Delusion Lest They Desroy Their Own Lies MayReasonRule Nov 20 #5

doesn't matter Skittles Nov 20 #3

You can't end a myth if people continue to believe in it regardless of the MAGAts believe what they want and are backed Martin68 Nov 20 #4

But there are always new voters coming along each year who might be swayable in the future. electric_blue68 Nov 20 #7

Bullet ballots? "Democrats also did surprisingly well in down-ballot races for a "losing" side". . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 20 #6

And that's a talking point we can use. calimary Nov 20 #9

Whichever side wins, always calls it a mandate. Unfortunately, trump and his henchmen see it as endorsement Silent Type Nov 20 #8

Fox News can go shove their stupid mandate where it don't shine. Initech Nov 21 #10

I agree. "It should end the MAGA mandate myth." BadgerMom Nov 21 #11

Trump will always have a special majority status in my mind, and it warms my heart -- nmmi Nov 21 #12

Its shameful that he won the popular vote. maxsolomon Nov 21 #13

You know New England's victory over the Atlanta Falcons was also historically narrow Jk23 Nov 21 #14

This isn't to convince MAGA... Dem4life1970 Nov 21 #15

It doesn't matter Mz Pip Nov 21 #16

Dem4life1970

(663 posts)

1. A little perspective on the autopsy of this election as well...

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:39 PM

Nov 20

So take a step back and keep all of this in mind when you hear Trump and his supporters suggest that the election was this enormous wave in which a transformation swept across the country, in which Americans were just begging for a MAGA makeover.

That is the line Republicans are selling — and lots in the mainstream media are granting it in various ways — but it’s just plainly not true. And we’ve gone through this all before. Just compare all the postmortems in the past two weeks about “what the American people really wanted” when Trump won by 1.6 points nationally to the postmortems we got in 2016, after Clinton beat him by 2.1% nationally, but lost in the Electoral College. It’s all the same stuff.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,775 posts)

2. Facts don't matter

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:43 PM

Nov 20

He and his followers believe he has an overwhelming mandate. .

MayReasonRule

(2,035 posts)

5. Fascisim Is Delusional Which Is Why Fascists Reject Facts Instead Embracing Delusion Lest They Desroy Their Own Lies

Reply to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:47 PM

Nov 20

There are two types of fascists:
Machiavellian
Darwin Award Winners

This is that.

Skittles

(161,171 posts)

3. doesn't matter

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:44 PM

Nov 20

the MAGAts have it and they want to BURN IT

Martin68

(24,870 posts)

4. You can't end a myth if people continue to believe in it regardless of the MAGAts believe what they want and are backed

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:46 PM

Nov 20

electric_blue68

(19,552 posts)

7. But there are always new voters coming along each year who might be swayable in the future.

Reply to Martin68 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:28 PM

Nov 20

You never never know when a few new votes might make a difference.

Bernardo de La Paz

(52,058 posts)

6. Bullet ballots? "Democrats also did surprisingly well in down-ballot races for a "losing" side". . . . . nt

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:11 PM

Nov 20

calimary

(85,020 posts)

9. And that's a talking point we can use.

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:39 PM

Nov 20

And we SHOULD be using it. As liberally as possible (pardon the pun)!

Silent Type

(7,863 posts)

8. Whichever side wins, always calls it a mandate. Unfortunately, trump and his henchmen see it as endorsement

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:30 PM

Nov 20

of white wing ideology and rule.

Initech

(103,087 posts)

10. Fox News can go shove their stupid mandate where it don't shine.

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:31 AM

Nov 21

And it's the same place the Heritage Foundation can shove it too.

BadgerMom

(3,021 posts)

11. I agree. "It should end the MAGA mandate myth."

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:54 AM

Nov 21

But it won’t.

nmmi

(248 posts)

12. Trump will always have a special majority status in my mind, and it warms my heart --

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 05:50 AM

Nov 21

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A majority voted for someone else.

maxsolomon

(35,576 posts)

13. Its shameful that he won the popular vote.

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 12:44 PM

Nov 21

It's shameful that he won all the swing states.

I take no comfort from this.

Jk23

(455 posts)

14. You know New England's victory over the Atlanta Falcons was also historically narrow

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 04:09 PM

Nov 21

That's for some reason doesn't Comfort the Atlanta fans.

Dem4life1970

(663 posts)

15. This isn't to convince MAGA...

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 07:20 PM

Nov 21

...this is for us in the reality-based community, and those in the reality-based community who for whatever reason (they bought his lies about cheaper eggs, immigrants, dogs, Hannibal Lecter, whatever) who regret their vote. It's hopefully a shot in the arm for us to know that no, he did not receive a huge mandate as Joe S. said the morning after election day. It was a weak, squeaker, victory...again aided by Russian propaganda and lots of cheating (like Elon's fake million dollar lottery in PA, essentially buying the vote-that is a fact to which his lawyers copped to in a court of law, acc. to Michael Popok from Legal AF, not a conspiracy theory).

Mz Pip

(27,978 posts)

16. It doesn't matter

Reply to Dem4life1970 (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2024, 10:23 PM

Nov 21

He’ll govern like he won all 50 states and there’s nothing stopping him.

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