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usonian

(27,037 posts)
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 09:35 PM 9 hrs ago

Trump and Netanyahu Have Really Stepped in It Now (NYT)

And Trump has a seemingly endless supply.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/opinion/israel-america-iran-trump-vance.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rlA.hMdW.BpRPvAwCr0ud&smid=url-share

Unlocked.
By David French.


Very short excerpt:

The plain fact of the matter, however, is that if you can’t dominate or destroy your opponent, you have to accommodate him, and that means compromise. When you choose to destroy your opponent, you will almost always have to deploy an immense amount of force and endure a considerable amount of loss.

Coercing Germany and Japan into unconditional surrender took millions of soldiers, untold devastation, and two nuclear strikes against Japan. Even the much simpler act of deposing Saddam Hussein and bringing Iraq under a modicum of control during the “surge” took hundreds of thousands of American and allied troops and years of constant combat.

The two presidents before Trump entered the White House in 2017 — George W. Bush and Barack Obama — took contrasting approaches. Bush chose to dominate through his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama’s Iran deal was a compromise, an accommodation.

But the worst possible outcome is the Trump approach — to try to dominate and fail. Because then you’ll be forced to compromise far more than you’d like.


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Trump and Netanyahu Have Really Stepped in It Now (NYT) (Original Post) usonian 9 hrs ago OP
We in the US is messed up................ Lovie777 9 hrs ago #1
Hey, don't blame those of us who voted for Hillary and then Kamala. calimary 6 hrs ago #7
Worst possible is the "Trump approach -- to try to dominate and fail". Over and over. erronis 9 hrs ago #2
Netanyahu didn't expect to defeat Iran Bluetus 8 hrs ago #3
One aspect of this no one us talking about Cosmocat 6 hrs ago #5
That was well written Renew Deal 7 hrs ago #4
We have to question what comes next..... BeneteauBum 6 hrs ago #6

calimary

(91,345 posts)
7. Hey, don't blame those of us who voted for Hillary and then Kamala.
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 12:30 AM
6 hrs ago

But yes, collectively, there WERE more Americans who got this wrong.

erronis

(24,894 posts)
2. Worst possible is the "Trump approach -- to try to dominate and fail". Over and over.
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 09:41 PM
9 hrs ago

Thanks for this and the gift link. Looking forward to a Sunday read.

Bluetus

(3,256 posts)
3. Netanyahu didn't expect to defeat Iran
Sat Jun 20, 2026, 10:02 PM
8 hrs ago

For decades, Netanyahu has referred to these operations as "Mowing the grass", meaning that he plans for periodic atrocities / genocides as a routine thing. He never had any intention of sending an occupation force of Israelis, but he did try to get Trump to step into that one. Evidently there were enough people in the Pentagon to talk Trump out of that.

Cosmocat

(15,513 posts)
5. One aspect of this no one us talking about
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 12:05 AM
6 hrs ago

Is not only did Bibi dogwalk the moron into this, Bibi is letting us the US do the heavy lifting and taking all the heat for Iran, hes putting his focus primarily on Lebanon and not taking nearly as much heat.

BeneteauBum

(923 posts)
6. We have to question what comes next.....
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 12:27 AM
6 hrs ago

I believe Iran will continue to make tRump appear inept…….which he is.

Peace ☮️

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