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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/17/us/politics/trump-iran-deal-nuclear-program-strait.html
Trump Demanded Irans Unconditional Surrender. He Got a Surprise Instead.
While the Iranians suffered substantial losses in the war, they emerged from a confrontation with the worlds most powerful military having proved they can use economic chaos as a weapon.
By David E. Sanger
June 17, 2026
It was less than 15 weeks ago when President Trump, at the height of his bravado about how the war with Iran would end, declared there will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER.
When the text of the deal intended to wind down the conflict was finally released on Wednesday, read aloud paragraph by paragraph by a senior administration official who stopped to defend each section, it read nothing like a surrender document. Instead, the Iranians emerged from a confrontation with the worlds most powerful military having not only survived, but with much to celebrate.
It starts with the resumption of Tehrans ability to reap billions of dollars in oil sales, lifting pressure on the struggling regime even as negotiators prepare to begin haggling over a far more lengthy and critical document: the one Mr. Trump insisted in an interview on Sunday will arrest Irans nuclear program for the next 15 or 20 years.
For a president who prizes leverage above all else, that decision is just another mystery of the war. But the wording of the Memorandum of Understanding also suggests that, over time, Iran may negotiate some permanent way to exercise sovereignty over the Strait of Hormuz. That seems in contradiction to Secretary of State Marco Rubios declarations just a few weeks ago that anything other than the kind of free passage through the strait that the world knew before the war was not acceptable and cannot happen.
And the memorandum, signed on Wednesday evening by Irans president and Mr. Trump, describes a pathway in which Iran could begin receiving billions of dollars in assets that have been frozen for years. Mr. Trump insists the money will only be released in return for good behavior. But it is essentially the same concession that Barack Obama made 11 years ago, and that Mr. Trump has savaged ever since.
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purr-rat beauty
(1,615 posts)How many times should we shrug our shoulders when he admits his crimes
dalton99a
(96,147 posts)Kid Berwyn
(25,441 posts)No matter what pig-headed poltroons say.
Submariner
(13,484 posts)The rapist is not a scientist or engineer. The serial thieving felon is an asshole.
I only hope I live long enough to watch the Pedo stroke out on television, and see the videos of Ivanka, Don Jr. and Eric accidentally falling off roofs or out windows or accidentally shot on Safari in a tragic hunting accident.
Jack Valentino
(5,376 posts)particularly after having seemed to make a campaign promise that he WOULD start no wars---
and would "bring prices down on day one" which all his subsequent actions,
including this non-consensual war, have brought the opposite result.....
-misanthroptimist
(1,938 posts)I know you lost the war.
Btw, anytime you want to go head-to-head on any intelligence test...I'm game.
D_Master81
(2,741 posts)Yeah the stock market is the measure of who won the Iran war. I mean its a meme at this point, the Dow is at 50,000!