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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy bet: The felon has deteriorated too much to be cognizant of the humiliation.
If the psychopathic malignant narcissist still had his faculties, I just don't see him sucking up such a gargantuan loss -- particularly a loss that results in endless and scathing condemnation of his "deal" and elevates the wisdom of the "deal" made by his nemesis Obama, which he tore to shreds.
lame54
(40,390 posts)Sell it as a yuge win
Always winning
pat_k
(14,473 posts)He's been constructing his own reality his whole life. But reality has a nasty way of inserting itself into consciousness. I don't think that's a problem for him anymore.
RockRaven
(20,012 posts)Fewer people around him willing to say, or allow him to hear, things which would make ketchup fly.
underpants
(197,701 posts)He still seeks out mentions of himself. He had to see the NY TIMES editorial yesterday Trump Lost Thus War.
And I hope it stews in that brain of his for the rest of his life.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)...the minutes of rage at each condemnation will be short lived. When attention is drawn elsewhere, the reality he confronted will float off to be replaced by confabulated fantasies of greatness.
Or he may just keep raging, losing track of the reason and confabulating a reason that fits what he is feeling.
surfered
(14,964 posts)pat_k
(14,473 posts)I don't think that's a problem for him any more. He now lives in a 100% fantasy world.
maxsolomon
(39,349 posts)That's what keeps him insulated - not any dementia.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)Roy Cohn taught him well (link)
. . Cohn imparted an M.O. thats been on searing display throughout Trumps ascent, his divisive, captivating campaign, and his fraught, unprecedented presidency. Deflect and distract, never give in, never admit fault, lie and attack, lie and attack, publicity no matter what, win no matter what, all underpinned by a deep, prove-me-wrong belief in the power of chaos and fear.
. . .
What feels different about this is that I think his NPD would have had him endlessly screaming at his "negotiation team" to get a better deal. And when they did not, he would have cast himself as the "strongman" holding out for that better deal.
The thing is, this is just too public and obviously humiliating a loss. It's not like a lost election that he can scream "rigged" about. It's not like a secret lawsuit settlement he can claim was a "win." This is a gargantuan loss and humiliating deal on the world stage that his is publicly walking into. Mechanisms for denying that reality are pretty non-existent.
maxsolomon
(39,349 posts)Hopefully he's catching an earful at the G7.
I suspect he's avoiding all the other leaders, so he doesn't have to hear a contrary word about his stupid fucking war.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)...minutes after any unavoidable interaction he'll just confabulate a conversation something like "Sir, thank you sir for saving the planet."
wnylib
(26,759 posts)but the reason for it does not register.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)I would like to think that even if his short-term memory is shot to hell that he picks up on the contempt people have for him on some level.
He clearly has lost nothing of his obsession with Obama. And even when he had all his faculties, he constantly jumbled up the terms of the JPCOA and the terms of the settlement of the decades old dispute with Iran over undelivered military equipment (the original $400 million placed in a trust fund by the pre-1979 Iranian government for military purchases, plus $1.3 billion in interest.)
Skittles
(173,551 posts)anything negative said or written about him is always FAKE NEWS
malaise
(299,368 posts)Rec
Prairie Gates
(8,637 posts)If Obama had struck a similar deal after losing 14 service members and wasting $100 billion in munitions, he would be impeached by a Republican Congress within a week.
agingdem
(9,032 posts)He has no filter, no self awareness his short term memory is pretty much negligible and what remains is his long term memory of hate ..and Trump is definitely not running the show, his advisors are so they let him run his mouth ..Obama/Biden/rigged election/revenge lawsuits/please sir/greatest president/deals/ballroom blah blah while they grift and lie to Congress ..does anyone honestly believe he knows whats in the Iran bend-over agreement? he doesnt read, hes unable to comprehend, and his minders are assuring him he won
Progressive dog
(7,636 posts)While he is probably right, he won't admit that most of them are smarter than he is.
maxsolomon
(39,349 posts)They're nearly unbearable and there's not a thing to learn from watching them. MAGAts are still far dumber than Dementia Don.
misanthrope
(9,672 posts)To get his polling turned around and avoid midterm defeat. He is nearly panicked about oil prices.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)...manipulation by others (who understand there is no other way out of his criminal war), and confabulation of "great deal" on his part
ArnoldLayne
(2,270 posts)It's family intervention time.
gab13by13
(33,033 posts)that's it, Occam's Razor. $7/gal gas would devastate him. He can't do 13,000 more air strikes, that would raise the price of gas.
His only option to calm the markets is to surrender to Iran.
malaise
(299,368 posts)Rec
Hugin
(38,094 posts)They were laughing AT him, hard.
Wounded Bear
(64,806 posts)Encroaching senility makes it worse.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)... that he is -- under "normal" circumstances-- constitutionally incapable of accepting a loss of any kind.
He may not feel shame, but he has never, and I thought never would, taken an L.
As I noted in post #10, his surrender on this strikes me as very different than his "normal" modus operandi. It's not like a lost election that he can scream "rigged" about. It's not like a secret lawsuit settlement he can declare a "win." It is not something he can deny as "fake news."
This is a gargantuan loss on the world stage that he is publicly walking into. The public terms are/will be the public terms, and there is no way around the fact that we are FAR, FAR worse off than we were when he tore up Obama's JCPOA. His criminal war was a cataclysmic mistake and the only out was always going to be sucking up terms of surrender.
It seems to me that the NPD part of his dual diagnosis ASPD/NPD would have had him endlessly screaming at his "negotiation team" to get a better deal. And when they did not/could not, he would have cast himself as the "strongman" holding out for that better deal. If he were "himself," I would have expected him to avoid surrender at all costs, and to hell with the domestic and international chaos and escalating harms.
eggplant
(4,255 posts)Then all of this crap can be laid at his feet. Otherwise his successor will inherit the shitshow.
Johnny2X2X
(24,571 posts)He knows, that's why he lashed out at Obama today.
pat_k
(14,473 posts)...his diatribe will prove he has no clue what is in the deal.
I think the current "deal" is almost guaranteed to unfreeze many times the amount of frozen assets Obama released, and will include a stupefying transfer of cash from federal coffers (i.e., our tax dollars).
Time will tell, but it should probably be noted that any comparison of "size" of this deal relative to the JCPOA is lunacy. That deal was done and had it been left in place there would be no need to make another fucking deal. Every penny in this "deal" is payment for the psychopath's insanity, first in shredding the JCPOA and second in starting his criminal war.
Johnny2X2X
(24,571 posts)Thats what it says. There are between $100B and $160B total frozen assets. The deal said Iran gets all of those after signing Friday.