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madamesilverspurs

(16,561 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 04:50 PM Monday

Memory jog

People are made of muscle and bone. And some are made of muscle, bone, and opinion; such was my father. Anyone residing under his roof was expected to share his opinion, often expressed with the closing phrase "end of discussion".

It wasn't often that any of us risked keeping the discussion open. So it came as a surprise when, back in the day, I chose to challenge him. He'd been holding forth on the inherent evil of Jane Fonda, using up most of the table conversation at dinner. As I was clearing the table, he was approaching his usual closing remark and I surprised everyone (myself included) by asking a question. "But Dad," I said, "in many other countries she would be jailed or even killed for what she said. Doesn't that prove that we really do believe in the first amendment?" Silence. He stood up, looked at me for a long moment, then left the room. Mom just smiled and helped me with the dishes. Dad never again brought up that particular subject, and I lived to tell the tale all these decades later.


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Memory jog (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Monday OP
We'd love to know what he was thinking internally as he left the table. erronis Monday #1
I can remember my dad railing against Jane Fonda as well 10 Turtle Day Monday #2
OUTSTANDING memory jog, madamesilverspurs! calimary Monday #3
♥️ spanone Monday #4
Regarding Jane Fonda pictured at the gun. spike jones Monday #5

erronis

(24,829 posts)
1. We'd love to know what he was thinking internally as he left the table.
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:43 PM
Monday

Our father was also a bit gnarly and did not like to have discussions that went outside of his "known facts". When the children strayed, he'd head off to his office leaving the rest of us to clean up.

10 Turtle Day

(1,361 posts)
2. I can remember my dad railing against Jane Fonda as well
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:48 PM
Monday

But I was really too young to understand it all back then. My dad also had very strong opinions and tended dominate discussions. Anyone outside our family who disagreed with him was a “horse’s ass.” It was one of his favorite terms, and definitely not to be mistaken as a term of endearment. Thanks for the memories. I miss him so much, especially as we’re soon approaching our shared birthday as well as Fathers’ Day. He’s been gone almost 30 years now. He mellowed a lot later in life and went out of his way to make amends when he knew he was dying.

calimary

(91,293 posts)
3. OUTSTANDING memory jog, madamesilverspurs!
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 06:51 PM
Monday

I’ve observed moments like this. Blusterer claims momentary ownership of the room, and as the end of that brief moment approaches, it’s NOT over. And somebody responds and makes the most important point in a most powerful way: quiet. Nonviolent. Non-accusatory. And hardly what you could call confrontational. Like one of those cross-the-court baskets made from the other side of the playing field, which for anybody else might as well have been the other side of the planet!

LOVE this story of yours, madamesilverspurs!

spike jones

(2,032 posts)
5. Regarding Jane Fonda pictured at the gun.
Mon Jun 15, 2026, 07:38 PM
Monday

As I remember at the time, Nixon and Kissinger were planning to bomb dikes in Vietnam which would kill up to 250,000 people. That is the context of Fonda pictured at the anti-aircraft gun, ready to stop the death of one quarter million people by shooting down the bombers.

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