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This is what the last batch looks like and shows just why Steyer is likely to pull into 2nd place. These late counts are like the early votes but reversed. Liberals and progressives wait till the last minute to drop their mail ballots in the box.
Xavier Becerra (D) 113,017 34.3%
Steve Hilton (R) 67,036 20.3%
Chad Bianco (R) 31,514
The total statewide count now looks like this:
✓
Xavier Becerra (D) 27.3% 1,996,100
Steve Hilton (R) 25.4 1,857,568
Tom Steyer (D) 22.0 1,606,905
Chad Bianco (R) 10.5 763,552
76.1% of expected vote in
Steyer erased an entire percentage from Hilton's 4.4% lead and is now behind by only 3.3%.
We may be looking at a likely Dem Vs Dem runoff
Mz Pip
(28,528 posts)I think when it looked like Becerra was far enough ahead in the polling, a lot of last minute votes went to Steyer.
I doubt Steyer can make up the difference but theres still a day to go for ballots to be delivered.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)He is almost guaranteed to make up the difference.
FHRRK1
(188 posts)Some are of the opinion that D v D races will depress Dem turnout.
I am of the opinion that due to Trump we will have more than enough motivation to vote. If not, then damn it all to hell.
Having two Dems is also insurance for a Stalwell event.
littlemissmartypants
(35,020 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)It is basically like a primary: when a party has a fiercely contested race in a primary on the ssme day as the other party, it is the other party that has depressed turnout. Usually not the high profile race.
senseandsensibility
(25,852 posts)with at least two million left to count I think.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Sympthsical
(11,226 posts)That is interesting. And there is 21% of the total vote left. In the past several days I've moved from the unlikely to maybe to legitimate raised eyebrow.
This is going to keep going for a minute.
It all depends where the outstanding votes are, but it certainly looks more plausible today than it did yesterday.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Sympthsical
(11,226 posts)About 15% of SF's vote was added to the total today. It's now at 81% total, and Steyer has been winning handily there so far. So he's definitely going to continue picking up votes all around the Bay Area, but it's a question of how many are outstanding in other districts.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Steyer finishs at 26.5%. There are some redder areas still left to count so if Steyer wins it will still be probably within 1%
Sympthsical
(11,226 posts)I was glancing around counties, totals, % in, etc, and there are some red areas still outstanding where that trend will not hold up. There are some Bay Area counties like San Mateo and Marin that have a lot of outstanding votes. But there are also counties like Sacramento and Ventura sitting out there with a lot of votes left where Steyer has not done as well.
So, it really comes down to, "How many Democrats actually did wait until the last second?" It has to be enough to make significant dents in the trends of counties where Steyer has lagged so far.
I'm still in my maybe mode, but if I were asked to put money down on this based on what I see left county by county, I'd be cautiously pessimistic and say Steyer gets close but not quite there.
But hey, we'll see!
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Late votes anywhere are likely to lean fairly progressive/ working class. But there will certainly be fewer so it isnt a guarantee the batches look as good for steyer as they did yesterday.
Sympthsical
(11,226 posts)Since it's now 5pm, may take a minute to get the full catch up. And it's Monday. So maybe they got more done. But as of just now:
79% of votes in
Candidate Party Votes Percent Pct. Chart showing percent
Xavier Becerra
Democrat 2,114,045 +0.0% 27.6%
Steve Hilton
Republican 1,922,474 +0.0% 25.1
Tom Steyer
Democrat 1,709,991 +0.0% 22.3
Chad Bianco
Republican 783,573 +0.0% 10.2
Wiz Imp
(10,632 posts)As of 8:18 EDT:
Candidate..........Votes..........Pct
Xavier Becerra.....2,162,016.....27.66%
Steve Hilton.....1,962,285.....25.11%
Tom Steyer.....1,750,449.....22.40%
84% reported
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)I think that might be a little premature 😒 🤔
Wiz Imp
(10,632 posts)as Decision Desk.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Its wild they think that is a safe call with a 216k deficit between steyer and Hilton and 1.5 million to count in heavily dem areas. They will have so much egg on their face given their past bad calls if they get this wrong.
I really think they are playing with fire.
Wiz Imp
(10,632 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)But if he makes it you will definitely get an "i told you so. 😜
The stakes are worse for ddhq though. Almost hoping he doesnt make it just so they can save face lol
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)There is 17% left to count. Sacramento, San Francisco and a ton of other blue counties are the primary ones left with remaining votes and they are 60% at best.
I dont know if Steyer makes it to the ballot but it is going to be really really close and Decision Desk took a major risk with this call. If they are wrong (which they very well might be), they are probably going to be out of business soon -considering this would be far from the first bad call.
obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)Many of the votes are also in staunch red counties such as Riverside.
It will not be Steyer.
"I dont know if Steyer makes it to the ballot but it is going to be really really close and Decision Desk took a major risk with this call. If they are wrong (which they very well might be), they are probably going to be out of business soon -considering this would be far from the first bad call."
You statement is 100% incorrect. The only "bad call" they've ever made was the Seattle Mayor race. Becerra will be the candidate for us, and it's important for us in CA to coalesce behind him.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)It'll be steyer and becerra dominating the rest of the batches and late vote pushing steyer into second there and further securing becerras lead overall. This will be true with most of the rest of the remaining counties. Int he statewide count, I really think steyer again is likely to make it to a close 3rd or second place in a day or two.
Ddhq made 3 bad calls total. They were already on uneasy footing before this election but making a 4th bad call will destroy them.
Here is an AI summary of all of them:
The primary "bad calls" and official retractions in DDHQ's history include:
## New Jersey's 11th Congressional District Democratic Primary (February 2026) [3]
*
* The Call: DDHQ prematurely projected a victory for establishment favorite [Tom Malinowski](https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+malinowski&kgmid=/g/11cmhw_v1s#sv=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) early in the evening during a special primary election. [4, 5]
* The Error: The model relied on early mail-in ballot data, assuming Malinowskis lead would hold. However, late-night in-person ballot drops from Morris County completely flipped, with progressive challenger [Analilia Mejia](https://www.google.com/search?q=analilia+mejia&kgmid=/g/11f0z6d_08#sv=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) [winning late vote drops by 20% to 30%](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/decision-desk-hq-retracts-jersey-112714097.html)a massive [65-point swing](
Link to tweet
) compared to the absentee trend. [2, 6, 7]
* The Outcome: DDHQ issued a formal apology on X, deleted the projection tweet, and pulled back the call. Mejia ultimately won the primary. [1, 2]
*
## [Seattle Mayoral Election (November 2025)](https://www.google.com/search?q=Seattle+Mayoral+Election+on+2025-11-04&kgmid=/g/11sp_w2fmh#sv=CBwSzQQK-gMS9wMKtwNBTW4zLXlRWjlIaC1BSGtYRTlxN2R2ZnJkTEYwUkZfdVpvREtBZ1JLY3pyRy1fcXYwX3VSZmpMYjFRblIwaXlrUGlaMTUyLUY5RmhHa3d6ZlRXSzU1ckVmQ0U1eHJiQnh3dVZEZXd1WHhlSFNkVHlDMWlWb3FGWWtiTXhkR0dFcWNHRDItMVA3bGkyQUJ6OE1zdi1INm8yZUVkaGZjS1FEY1J0d09HTGFxOVE4LXVWRzBHVUVPcjd1WFV3dE1fd01JcE5Wcm90Z0QzOU9NaDBieVVoaWVtRjRYM0NYbXVnMFNnQmlMM2I2YjdNSHZXUW13UUNac0JCS1JJVWgyMGdWMWR5QndybXRTTmd2ejUtQW4wdzlYM0FnRFhyWTZnMkpRYTVUZmJyaU5DTUZPdjBoc05DN1QzZ1JZeEtWSFRMUnJ2Sl9YcTJSUW5WRElkMUxCRUJsSzdtRWxGMm83dmV4aFpaR3VVRmZUdUVnMUFUSFJQZmpfa1M5c2EtUGxZQ1Z3QWN5VmxRMk5RM3VDZTNkdzVHRTZRb29CanN3SlNnbnc2Y29YZ1VNaGl3WlFEbkFxTHhUVEMwEhdGQzRvYXZhUkdLYXE1Tm9QNnNUbXNBSRoiQUpLTEZtSnNKUlg5Ymc4bHBfZDFuV2lMU1dXa2U5TUx4URIENzg1NBoBMyIrCgFxEiZTZWF0dGxlIE1heW9yYWwgRWxlY3Rpb24gb24gMjAyNS0xMS0wNCIWCgVrZ21pZBINL2cvMTFzcF93MmZtaCgAGEUguaechgk)
*
* The Call: DDHQ projected that moderate incumbent [Bruce Harrell](https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+harrell&kgmid=/m/06428vp#sv=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) would defeat progressive challenger Katie Wilson. [8]
* The Error: DDHQ based its projection model on a data point that [approximately 71,000 ballots remained uncounted](https://www.kuow.org/stories/kuow-contractor-decision-desk-HQ-retracts-call-projecting-harrell-s-victory-in-mayor-s-race). King County Elections quickly flagged this as incorrect, clarifying that roughly 100,000 ballots actually remained to be processed. Because late-stage Pacific Northwest mail-in drops historically favor progressive candidates, the margin was too unstable to call. [9, 10, 11, 12, 13]
* The Outcome: Realizing the underlying outstanding vote count was wrong, DDHQ officially retracted the projection the next day to await more official data from the county. [1, 8]
*
## California's 21st Congressional District (November 2018)
*
* The Call: On election night, DDHQ (alongside the Associated Press) projected that Republican incumbent [David Valadao](https://www.google.com/search?q=david+valadao&kgmid=/m/0g55rlx#sv=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) had won re-election against Democratic challenger T.J. Cox.
* The Error: Valadao initially held an [8% lead on election night](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1oqhyjq/decision_desk_hq_calls_seattle_mayoral_race_for/). However, the data desk failed to account for California's highly protracted vote-counting window and a massive surge of late-arriving mail-in ballots that heavily favored Democrats.
* The Outcome: As late ballots trickled in over the subsequent two weeks, Valadao's lead entirely evaporated. DDHQ was forced to rescind its projection after Cox overtook Valadao to win the seat by less than 1,000 votes.
*
## Notable "Controversial" Calls (Not Retracted)
DDHQ also occasionally catches criticism for being exceptionally aggressive on election nights. While these were not "wrong" (the projected candidates did eventually win), they are frequently cited by election analysts as highly risky calls: [2, 6]
*
* The 2020 Presidential Race: DDHQ was the [very first outlet to call the entire presidential race](https://www.facebook.com/wmwfl/posts/presidency-already-called by-decision-desk/2026609184141748/) for Joe Biden on Friday morning, November 6, 2020roughly 24 hours before the Associated Press and the major TV networks felt comfortable doing so.
* The 2022 Nevada Senate Race: DDHQ called the Nevada Senate race for Democrat [Catherine Cortez Masto](https://www.google.com/search?q=catherine+cortez+masto&kgmid=/m/02rtp9t#sv=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) when she was still technically trailing in the live vote count, relying on strict mathematical modeling of outstanding mail ballots in Clark County that later proved correct. [14]
*
[1] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivethirtyeight/comments/1ord6oy/decision_desk_hq_states_that_it_made_its/)
[2] [https://www.yahoo.com](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/decision-desk-hq-retracts-jersey-112714097.html)
[3] [https://x.com](
Link to tweet
)
[4] [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_Desk_HQ)
[5] [https://www.yahoo.com](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/decision-desk-hq-retracts-jersey-112714097.html)
[6] [https://news.bgov.com](https://news.bgov.com/bloomberg-government-news/new-jerseys-tom-malinowski-wins-primary-for-suburban-house-seat)
[7] [https://www.yahoo.com](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/decision-desk-hq-retracts-jersey-112714097.html)
[8] [https://www.kuow.org](https://www.kuow.org/stories/kuow-contractor-decision-desk-HQ-retracts-call-projecting-harrell-s-victory-in-mayor-s-race)
[9] [https://www.kuow.org](https://www.kuow.org/stories/kuow-contractor-decision-desk-HQ-retracts-call-projecting-harrell-s-victory-in-mayor-s-race)
[10] [https://www.fastcompany.com](https://www.fastcompany.com/90569525/how-a-4-year-old-startup-will-call-the-winners-on-election-night)
[11] [https://www.kuow.org](https://www.kuow.org/stories/kuow-contractor-decision-desk-HQ-retracts-call-projecting-harrell-s-victory-in-mayor-s-race)
[12] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1oqfxpp/decision_desk_hq_calls_the_seattle_mayoral/)
[13] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1or8mky/ddhq_uncalls_mayor_election/)
[14] [https://en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_Desk_HQ)
kentuck
(115,832 posts)They liked his environment policies.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)So far he is within 2.5% of Hilton with 17% left to count in super blue counties. He might still win.
obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)And, MANY of those votes are not in "super blue counties." Plus, many super blue counties went for Becerra, who is a Democrat.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)They are only a few and make up over half of the remaining expected vote. Becerra did great with the early votes but steyer is winning the same percent as becerra in the late vote with the gop doing horribly in the late batches.
Anyways. We don't have to wait long to see how right or wrong we are. The next batch will cover a lot and give us a great idea tonight how much more runway steyer has to make it to 2nd.
obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)I live in Sacramento, Steyer is a distant third and will stay there. It is not possible for Steyer to get #2 at this point unless there is an almost 15% difference. It is not happening. I'm done discussing this with you sigh
And, since when is Riverside super blue?
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 9, 2026, 01:53 PM - Edit history (2)
I often was one of those late votes when i spent decades living in riverside and the IE. In fact the IE has been an area where Becerra received the lions share of his late vote boosting him to first. The IE is very purple and increasingly blue as it is one of the fastest growing regions in California. Not saying thats where Steyers hail Mary will come from, but it is certainly far less republican than most people think. Hilton percentage ceiling has been hit and there is nowhere else for it to go but down. The only question is: how far down will it go?
Anyways. We will find out soon what the final vote counts look like. I think Steyer will shoot ahead in batches in Sacramento even though he hasn't had that happen yet (only 50% 64% counted tbf) although I am completely open to you being right as well!
I respect that you live in Sacramento. I also spent a good amount of years there as well. Nice place!
ETA just to clarify: Steyer doesnt need to get double digits over the entire pack. He only needs to get double digits over Hilton like the results we saw yesterday. He can still come in second in the rest of the batches behind Becerra and catch up on Hilton significantly.
ck4829
(38,144 posts)But let's be real here... I didn't even know who Milton was until this election.
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)ck4829
(38,144 posts)"A vote for this guy will mean we'll get press conferences from Paris Hilton"
obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)ck4829
(38,144 posts)Either way, I also still had no idea who this guy even was before this primary.
A wet sock could probably beat... Hinton? Milton?
krawhitham
(5,107 posts)CoopersDad
(3,399 posts)airplaneman
(1,402 posts)Wait till the last minute and vote to make sure Hilton is not in the top two. I preferred the older method of voting for my favorite dem regardless of their chance to win. I always vote and vote educated. Its a strategic game.
-Airplane
SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)As long as it was received by today, it will be counted!
obamanut2012
(29,636 posts)SSJVegeta
(3,335 posts)You told me so!
Completely on the mark with Sac!
