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PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 08:18 AM 4 hrs ago

What we witnessed yesterday on MTP

was a typical outburst from an individual who has frontotemporal dementia. The triggering of the physiological aspects: the reddening of the face, the snarling rictus of the mouth wherein you see what looks almost like a smile or grin but is negative reaction in extremis, the postural change, all point to sudden expression of repressed rage. The pressure of speech: the incessant speaking of the pent-up phraseology which under any normal circumstances would not be uttered, associated with the malignant narcissism was uninterruptible by the questioner.

It is not unimportant that the eruption occurred during “interrogation” by none other than a black female, whose members of that group are almost invariably described by the subject as “Low-I.Q.” .

This was clinically a significant outburst, the subject matter aside. I believe that Ms Welker, like her or not professionally, was so taken aback at this almost feral-sounding and appearing man, that she reverted briefly into an almost childish mindset, for which I do not blame her one iota. In the vernacular, “it turned into a fucking nightmare”.

As far as I am concerned, I would put this degree of pathology in the same category as the Pennsylvania official who blew the back of his head off on camera in the late 1980’s. Rarely do you see true, not simulated, full-blown pathology of this severity unless you are watching clinical films or video made for academic purposes.

In this matter I unfortunately speak from competence and experience. I have had this happen to me on several occasions and can relate the details of each as though they occurred yesterday. Again, in the vernacular: this is some sick shit, man.

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What we witnessed yesterday on MTP (Original Post) PCIntern 4 hrs ago OP
Possibly, but I saw this IRL in the mid 1990's JCMach1 4 hrs ago #1
I like your emoji use PCIntern 4 hrs ago #2
He's been sick forever, but he used to do a better job of hiding it. ShazzieB 3 hrs ago #16
What I saw was a mass of tremendous, growing rage, Zackzzzz 1 hr ago #39
I saw the hand only as steadying himself when he got up. txwhitedove 1 hr ago #41
He was very close to physically assaulting her. She clearly couldn't believe what was happening. flashman13 1 hr ago #43
The day will come when he physically assaults a female journalist Freddie 1 hr ago #46
Whatever it is, it is clear that he is unable to carry out the duties of his office. hadEnuf 2 hrs ago #25
This is what I saw... surfered 4 hrs ago #3
I remember R Budd Dwyer quite well Freddie 4 hrs ago #4
Hey Man Nice Shot Is A Retelling Of Bud's Sad, Sad Story... MayReasonRule 10 min ago #56
Or just like a little brat Bmoboy 4 hrs ago #5
That's a different reaction PCIntern 4 hrs ago #6
I've seen that before in real life radical noodle 3 hrs ago #7
Yes. He has been physically violent in the past. .remember ivana's niyad 3 hrs ago #13
And her staircase. rubbersole 2 hrs ago #23
I was thinking the same thing WiVoter 3 hrs ago #19
my first thought on that is the network would have edited it out and not shown it nt orleans 2 hrs ago #24
And the M$M, starting with Fox News Wednesdays 2 hrs ago #29
Plenty of his supporters are already saying that. cab67 34 min ago #52
One way or another radical noodle 2 hrs ago #31
The trump cult would just say radical noodle 2 hrs ago #30
I saw a video of a doctor who noted 12 instances of a very mentally ill person... kentuck 3 hrs ago #8
That will never happen with that toadying quack. niyad 3 hrs ago #14
Post removed Post removed 3 hrs ago #9
frontotemporal dementia claimed the life of my brother KS Toronado 3 hrs ago #10
FTD is in my family also ... I just lost my closest sister last fall FakeNoose 3 hrs ago #18
FTD is more an umbrella diagnosis, and the types present differently as well for each person. My MiL... ms liberty 2 hrs ago #33
Again, this is all true, but it's not what Chump is displaying FakeNoose 2 hrs ago #35
Yes exactly PCIntern 2 hrs ago #37
Or he's a 79 year old manbaby having a tantru. Ray Bruns 3 hrs ago #11
Please do not discount the pathology: PCIntern 3 hrs ago #15
The situation is far more malignant and dangerous than simple tantrums. niyad 3 hrs ago #17
To put it in the vernacular of mental health experts multigraincracker 3 hrs ago #12
... johnnyfins 33 min ago #53
I'm no expert, but I have doubts that what we witnessed was dementia Martin Eden 3 hrs ago #20
Well, people who are experts would disagree with you. PCIntern 2 hrs ago #27
I suppose dementia can present itself in different ways Martin Eden 1 hr ago #47
There is no question concerning the narcissistic pathology in extremis PCIntern 1 hr ago #49
To allow this to go on says just how sick much of our population is in Stargazer99 2 hrs ago #21
How sick the Republican Party is Freddie 2 hrs ago #28
Yep agreed! ... OldBoss 2 hrs ago #22
Some Shakespeare bmichaelh 2 hrs ago #26
Did I miss the day-after breast thumps on Truth Social? peggysue2 2 hrs ago #32
Treatment planning following diagnosis. Frasier Balzov 2 hrs ago #34
He forgot about Dre. Kid Berwyn 2 hrs ago #36
His staff is working on him. He'll be fine in 2 Weeks. chouchou 1 hr ago #38
RFK jr or Dr Oz or Susie Wiles?? vapor2 51 min ago #51
Probably all three. Trump will insist of giving the Noble prizes..or a Pizza... chouchou 16 min ago #55
I thought Kristen Welker was extremely professional and agressive in her "discussion" with Trump. Fla Dem 1 hr ago #40
Yep she called him out IbogaProject 1 hr ago #42
I thought the reporter did good job interviewing him MustLoveBeagles 1 hr ago #44
Very traumatic for me... Moostache 1 hr ago #45
Thank you for sharing a very difficult memory. PCIntern 1 hr ago #48
Why did he agree to the interview in the first place? BigmanPigman 1 hr ago #50
Message auto-removed Name removed 23 min ago #54
He looked dangerous Nasruddin 8 min ago #57

PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
2. I like your emoji use
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 08:30 AM
4 hrs ago

He’s been sick a long time. A lifetime. It’s a reverse Hannibal Lecter: evil and perverse but in 🍊 case malignantly ignorant as well

ShazzieB

(22,989 posts)
16. He's been sick forever, but he used to do a better job of hiding it.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:43 AM
3 hrs ago

The frontotemporal dementia is removing his inhibitions, so that he can't maintain the mask of sanity as well as he used to.

He must still have a little bit of self control, though. As enraged as he was, he managed not to physically assault her. One of these days he won't be able to stop himself from doing that, and he'll have to be physically restrained from hitting someone. I dont want anyone to get hurt (except maybe him), but I hope it happens when there are cameras on him, so that the whole world can witness the madness of King Donald.

Zackzzzz

(404 posts)
39. What I saw was a mass of tremendous, growing rage,
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:07 AM
1 hr ago

the fierceness of his anger,
and his body was on the edge of the chair.
His feet looked like they were ready to spring;
like he could go after her at any moment..

And then he put his hand, buddy like, on her shoulder as he left?

I was frightened for her.
I don't know if she understood what she had just been through.

flashman13

(2,602 posts)
43. He was very close to physically assaulting her. She clearly couldn't believe what was happening.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:36 AM
1 hr ago

Freddie

(10,165 posts)
46. The day will come when he physically assaults a female journalist
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:49 AM
1 hr ago

Will THAT be enough to get the Repugs to consider the 25th Amendment? Probably not.

hadEnuf

(3,674 posts)
25. Whatever it is, it is clear that he is unable to carry out the duties of his office.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:29 AM
2 hrs ago

He's unstable and should be removed now, along with the Republican majority in the house and senate at election time for allowing this sick, demented individual to remain in charge.

Freddie

(10,165 posts)
4. I remember R Budd Dwyer quite well
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 08:37 AM
4 hrs ago

Unfortunately the pedophile-in-chief is far too egotistical to do something beneficial like that.

Bmoboy

(675 posts)
5. Or just like a little brat
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 08:37 AM
4 hrs ago

Caught with his hand in the cookie jar, snapping out at the evil person who had the nerve to catch him.

Like a trapped rat.

PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
6. That's a different reaction
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 08:45 AM
4 hrs ago

That’s a normal reaction to exposure. This was extreme.

orleans

(37,306 posts)
24. my first thought on that is the network would have edited it out and not shown it nt
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:16 AM
2 hrs ago

Wednesdays

(23,302 posts)
29. And the M$M, starting with Fox News
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:35 AM
2 hrs ago

...would be echoing the same sentiment, "She was asking for it and deserved it."

cab67

(3,867 posts)
52. Plenty of his supporters are already saying that.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 12:29 PM
34 min ago

Have a look at comments on Facebook or Youtube on the exchange. "She was a smug, arrogant b***c who got what she deserved."

kentuck

(115,796 posts)
8. I saw a video of a doctor who noted 12 instances of a very mentally ill person...
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:10 AM
3 hrs ago

He said there was malevolent narcissistic personality and picked out the instances in the interview that proved his statement. Officially, he said it needed to come from his doctor.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

KS Toronado

(23,994 posts)
10. frontotemporal dementia claimed the life of my brother
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:24 AM
3 hrs ago

he never got loud or violent just quiet and confused searching for words.

FakeNoose

(42,726 posts)
18. FTD is in my family also ... I just lost my closest sister last fall
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:44 AM
3 hrs ago

My sister suffered from FTD for the last 30 years of her life. Of course in the end she had no language ability at all. But when it first started to affect her, back in the late 1990s she had a lot of frustration. She wanted to say something, or understand what was being said to her, and she couldn't or it was very difficult. Conversations went past her and she could only pick out certain words that she still could recognize. Eventually even that became too much for her.

I believe the dementia that PCIntern is discussing (concerning Chump) is not the same type as front-temporal-dementia. Chump is losing control of his emotions, as we saw on TV yesterday, but he hasn't lost his ability to speak and process what's being said to him.

ms liberty

(11,418 posts)
33. FTD is more an umbrella diagnosis, and the types present differently as well for each person. My MiL...
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:45 AM
2 hrs ago

Who was a common sense, practical, educated caring retired teacher turned into an unstable paranoid with delusions that we were trying to kill her. In less than 6 months. Not a happy time.

Lewes Body Dementia is one of the types included under the FTD umbrella, if my memory is correct. That's not what my MiL had as far as we know, but I remember it being on the list because of Robin Williams.

FakeNoose

(42,726 posts)
35. Again, this is all true, but it's not what Chump is displaying
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:59 AM
2 hrs ago

He only listens to toadies, and toadies know when they need to keep quiet. Kristen Welker didn't do that, she needled him with questions and she talked over him, challenging his lies.

To Chump, anything that pops into his head MUST BE the truth, since he's unable to distinguish between the REAL truth and his inevitable lies. Therefore anyone who challenges HIM must be lying. This is pathological behavior, but it's not dementia.

PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
37. Yes exactly
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:01 AM
2 hrs ago

And I do not believe that I’m mistaken with all due respects to the poster whom you were answering.

PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
15. Please do not discount the pathology:
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:43 AM
3 hrs ago

People have done that with him for decades and lost their shirts. He cannot be reasoned with, since he believes that falsities are true. Sane individuals, even grotesquely malevolent ones know right from wrong.

Martin Eden

(15,954 posts)
20. I'm no expert, but I have doubts that what we witnessed was dementia
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 09:51 AM
3 hrs ago

Here's the way I see it:

He projects himself as the greatest man in the world today and perhaps the history of the United States, on par with George Washington. His "landslide" victory in 2024 totally vindicates his claim that the 2020 election was stolen from him. How DARE any lowly reporter ask him questions which challenge or contradict his assertions! The ONLY explanation is she must be crooked or stupid.

How much he believes his own lies is an open question. Unless he is totally delusional, he has to know (despite surrounding himself with yes men) Iran has not begged for mercy, the Strait is still closed, inflation belies his promises, and his poll numbers are abysmal. Multiple sources in his first administration told him he lost the 2020 election, it was not "rigged."

I suspect that deep down he knows these things, and has fear. He is afraid of losing the midterms, being investigated and impeached. Afraid of dying, so he desperately erects monuments to himself. Donald Trump is a sick man mentally, and physically more than is being revealed. The mental pathologies he has always displayed are getting worse.

Martin Eden

(15,954 posts)
47. I suppose dementia can present itself in different ways
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:53 AM
1 hr ago

My aunt 's dementia progressed steadily. Early on, she would abruptly lose her train of thought, forget where she was or why. She would repeat herself within a few minutes, not remembering what she had just said. Eventually, she could not recognized her daughters in whose house she lived.

In what I saw of the Welker interview, Trump was thoroughly, emphatically on point. He was visibly angry, likely due to a number of factors. First is his privileged status and antipathy towards anyone who has the gall to confront him -- especially women of color. But deep down, if only subconsciously, he knows things aren't going well for him. Fear is growing, so he compensates with monuments and depicting himself as savior or superhero in hundreds of Truth Social posts.

He's always felt the need to dominate, to win. Self promotion has always been central to his game. He lies about everything, and won't admit anything. Never play defense, always attack.

Those traits have been evident since he entered politics. Now, nearing 80 years old with evidence of his failures growing harder to ignore, he is more easily emotionally triggered.

That's what I'm seeing, which possibly doesn't preclude dementia. At his rallies he likes to "weave" and perseverate in odd tangents, but that's been going on for years. He's an old man who stays up at night posting on social media, which may account for why he nods off in meetings. Recently said "Ukraine" when he meant Iran, but I haven't seen him really lose his train of thought while he's onto something.

Maybe I just don't watch him enough, which is hard to stomach. His malignant narcissism is definitely getting worse, and I will admit I don't have the professional background to disgnose whether dementia has been added to the mix which includes pathological liar.

PCIntern

(28,714 posts)
49. There is no question concerning the narcissistic pathology in extremis
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 12:02 PM
1 hr ago

But what you’re seeing is a loss of inhibition and the manifestation of unbridled id.

OldBoss

(92 posts)
22. Yep agreed! ...
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:11 AM
2 hrs ago

My 81yo mom is the same way especially with sundowners and later in the day. She’s a sweet and compassionate person but when she gets sideways there’s absolutely no reasoning with her, even over the simplest of things, you just gotta disengage and walk away, there is zero benefit to debating her regardless of the topic. She always feels like she’s being attacked and gets defensive and nasty.

On the potus front, I legit don’t understand how he’s still above ground. He’s obviously very unhealthy, eats poorly, doesn’t sleep - all recipes for disaster.

'The Biden cognitive cover-up’ was the crime of the century for MAGA but here they are enabling much worse. Words fail.

bmichaelh

(1,289 posts)
26. Some Shakespeare
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:29 AM
2 hrs ago

BEATRICE
a very dull fool;
only his gift is in devising impossible slanders. None but
libertines delight in him, and the commendation is not
in his wit, but in his villainy.
--Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing 2.1.125-128

PROSPERO
Thou liest, malignant thing!
--Shakespeare, The Tempest 1.2.257

MARCUS
He takes false shadows for true substances.
--Shakespeare, Titus Andronicus 3.2.81

peggysue2

(12,629 posts)
32. Did I miss the day-after breast thumps on Truth Social?
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:40 AM
2 hrs ago

Too frequently, Trump will rewrite the narrative where he was forceful and right and gave the 'fake' journalist (in this case, Kristen Welker) a well-deserved beat down. He loved doing this to Jim Acosta who had the audacity to rely on facts and would push back on obvious lies.

Haven't heard that Trump has extended his aggression towards Welker. Instead, he reportedly blamed his anger on the . . . rain.

The fake news is now in control of the weather. Who knew?

When I saw clips of that interview I thought Trump was gearing up for an on-camera stroke. His face was scarlet and that expression wasn't normal anger; it was uncontrollable rage.

This is clearly a mentally deranged man who for several minutes revealed his psychosis to the entire world.

He must know how bad it was. Otherwise we'd be listening to him rewrite the script, yowling on and on about what a crap, light-weight reporter Welkin is.

Rain made him do it??

Lame and lamer.





Frasier Balzov

(5,136 posts)
34. Treatment planning following diagnosis.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 10:52 AM
2 hrs ago

As always, individualized and patient centric.

This patient?

Euthanasia.

Kid Berwyn

(25,276 posts)
36. He forgot about Dre.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:00 AM
2 hrs ago

The pathologists will have a career case, should he donate his “brain” to science. The study would reveal signs of everything from KGB programming and CIA directed energy weaponry to Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy and whatever pubic hair Epstein was putting on his Diet Coke. Hope they wear the best splash suits in the inventory and two sets of gloves.

Fla Dem

(27,820 posts)
40. I thought Kristen Welker was extremely professional and agressive in her "discussion" with Trump.
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:23 AM
1 hr ago

I do appreciate your medical analysis of Trump's demented behavior, of which we have seen plenty of in the past few years.

However I thought Ms Welker solidly held her ground and totally intimidated Trump.
Although he did try talking over her. As his face got redder Ms Welker continued to be very very direct with her questioning. I did not see anything indicating she was "taken aback". She overwhelmed him and his only option was to give up, criticize her, call her names, and runaway because she was eating him alive.

My impressions are not backed up by any type of medical / psychology degree.

IbogaProject

(6,118 posts)
42. Yep she called him out
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:33 AM
1 hr ago

She asked for any kind of evidence shich he obviously doesn't have. He is trapped with a circle of yes people and an entire media aparatus that feeds him just enough to feel confident in his anger.

MustLoveBeagles

(17,839 posts)
44. I thought the reporter did good job interviewing him
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:46 AM
1 hr ago

She really pushed back on him. Then she said something I considered whiny that I felt undermined what happened before. I based this on reading the transcript. I didn't want to watch it but maybe I should anyway. It sounds like it got dangerously close to assault.

Moostache

(11,319 posts)
45. Very traumatic for me...
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 11:47 AM
1 hr ago

A few years back, when my dad's dementia began to accelerate and become more debilitating, we had to take away his car keys and stop him from driving any longer. He had become dangerous to himself and others and simply could not be allowed to drive but it fell to me to take the keys away and tell him he would not be getting them back.

That was the angriest I ever saw my dad at me since I was arrested as a 11-year old for criminal mischief for breaking out the windows of an empty house down the street. I got bullied into it by the neighborhood goon/bully but went along with it and had to pay the price (fined, no record, probation for 12 months unsupervised...but took a few swats from the fraternity pledge paddle for my troubles). When I took the keys and told him he would not be getting them back he exploded. Red faced, shaking, just awful memory. It took more than a week for him to talk to me again after that. We never spoke of it again - it was my dad's way of apologizing, accepting the verdict and not fighting or ever raising it again after that, but I remember it all too vividly.

Under almost all conditions, I do not wish the ravages of dementia on any family, but in the case of Trump and Uday and Qusay and the rest of that fucking criminal cabal (lining their pockets with ill-gotten graft around the planet) I hope that they face it in spades and I hope behind closed doors his erratic behavior and hygiene deficiencies are overwhelming and leave permanent bad memories for them all.

BigmanPigman

(55,683 posts)
50. Why did he agree to the interview in the first place?
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 12:03 PM
1 hr ago

He knew what was coming and he knew the reporter. He should have expected being questioned about the bad shit he has been doing. Did he think he could control the narrative and outwit her? Piggy is having another meltdown, so sad. I hope he does more of these interviews. It helps to push him over the ledge sooner than later.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Nasruddin

(1,305 posts)
57. He looked dangerous
Mon Jun 8, 2026, 12:55 PM
8 min ago

People should have their own security in his presence. For everyone's safety.

He's physically too infirm to do much but unlike her I would NOT have let him reach out and touch me - you just don't know what somebody in that state is going to try. He needs to have his own team take care of his issues.

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