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senseandsensibility

(25,800 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:37 PM 22 hrs ago

Breaking MSNOW: "WH OFFICIAL SAYS TRUMP FUNDAMENTALLY MISCALCULATED

ON IRAN AFTER NEW ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAEL"

So... a "WH official" has spoken to MSNOW and said that trump "miscalculated"?

What was this "official's" first clue? I mean....wow. And it is going to take a lot more than anonymous leaks from this administration's yes men to fix this.

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Breaking MSNOW: "WH OFFICIAL SAYS TRUMP FUNDAMENTALLY MISCALCULATED (Original Post) senseandsensibility 22 hrs ago OP
This wouldn't be happening if Trump was capable of negotiating Renew Deal 22 hrs ago #1
Iran has time on their side sboatcar 21 hrs ago #13
Time to pull a Reagan and do our own deal, right? Ponietz 21 hrs ago #17
I didn't think about that, how brilliant would that be, to do an end run around the admin? sboatcar 20 hrs ago #26
Its not an issue of not being capable of negotiating but rather one of his choosing to try and dictate. cstanleytech 19 hrs ago #37
I think the meaning of that quote is to be more hawkish. They mean he shouldn't have RockRaven 22 hrs ago #2
Except that it wouldn't work that way either. More bombing Klarkashton 22 hrs ago #5
I am not saying they are correct, only what it seems to me that they mean. RockRaven 22 hrs ago #8
True. And he stopped bombing bc his Arab allies wnylib 21 hrs ago #20
Breaking News. Breaking News. Dumbass Trump does dumb shit. C_U_L8R 22 hrs ago #3
How can TSF miscalculate when he doesn't calculate at all? Sneederbunk 22 hrs ago #4
His gut instinct doesn't math very well. tanyev 22 hrs ago #6
shithole is the smartest person in the whole wide universe....................... Lovie777 22 hrs ago #7
Verdict first.. then the trial. WheelWalker 19 hrs ago #41
He thinks he's smarter than he is ecstatic 22 hrs ago #9
He's stupid. This time his stupidity has reignited a mideast war and he has no way out. GoodRaisin 22 hrs ago #12
100% correct Raisin chicoescuela 20 hrs ago #32
Not just him purr-rat beauty 22 hrs ago #10
Things must be worse than we know SamuelTheThird 22 hrs ago #11
There was more than one moving part, what did they expect? /nt bucolic_frolic 21 hrs ago #14
No shit irisblue 21 hrs ago #15
I wonder LilElf70 21 hrs ago #16
US casualties already cost too much: Justice matters. 20 hrs ago #33
Which one? Any reading between the lines? mr715 21 hrs ago #18
It's likely someone from the state department. LuvLoogie 20 hrs ago #24
Ooo interesting. mr715 20 hrs ago #29
He's playing Uno... Xolodno 21 hrs ago #19
lol! Kaleva 19 hrs ago #39
Oopsie doodle struggle4progress 21 hrs ago #21
He can't miscalculate because he doesn't calculate DavidDvorkin 21 hrs ago #22
Well, you have a point there senseandsensibility 20 hrs ago #23
He figured MBS and the other Arab leaders would get him out of this FakeNoose 20 hrs ago #25
And yet he's focused on going to a fucking basketball game..... tulipsandroses 20 hrs ago #27
Trump thinks it's a PR event that he is managing. OAITW r.2.0 20 hrs ago #28
Just forgot to carry the 1. Sheesh pesky maths and stuff..... n/t gay texan 20 hrs ago #30
This is your daily reminder that Trump is a MORON!!!! Beacool 20 hrs ago #31
his uncle was a genius. trump, not so much Blues Heron 20 hrs ago #34
Trump has "miscalculated" every goddamn day of his miserable life LymphocyteLover 20 hrs ago #35
This wouldn't happen if imbeciles weren't playing war! Hope22 19 hrs ago #36
But but Trump is the most geniusy genius that ever geniused. Beartracks 19 hrs ago #38
Don't TELL me, SHOW me! Aussie105 19 hrs ago #40
Yadda Yadda, but will this prevent him from being the MVP at the NBA finals game? usonian 19 hrs ago #42
I read the title as "Fundamentally Emasculated" haele 17 hrs ago #43

Renew Deal

(85,445 posts)
1. This wouldn't be happening if Trump was capable of negotiating
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:41 PM
22 hrs ago

Trump has been lying about Irans desire for a deal from the beginning. He’s been the one most desperate to make something happen. Every statement from him is a confession.

sboatcar

(882 posts)
13. Iran has time on their side
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 07:22 PM
21 hrs ago

They know that there's elections coming up, so they'll just wait it out and make it more and more unpopular. After this latest round of attacks, Trump's response is so weak that they know they're negotiating from a position of power.
He'll give them whatever they want so he can say he made a peace deal.

sboatcar

(882 posts)
26. I didn't think about that, how brilliant would that be, to do an end run around the admin?
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:23 PM
20 hrs ago

cstanleytech

(28,647 posts)
37. Its not an issue of not being capable of negotiating but rather one of his choosing to try and dictate.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:10 PM
19 hrs ago

RockRaven

(19,857 posts)
2. I think the meaning of that quote is to be more hawkish. They mean he shouldn't have
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:42 PM
22 hrs ago

negotiated/stopped bombing them. At least, that is how it reads to me without further context.

I don't think it refers to the miscalculation at the very beginning of this bad business which we would all agree upon but almost everyone in the WH would still dispute.

Klarkashton

(5,457 posts)
5. Except that it wouldn't work that way either. More bombing
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:44 PM
22 hrs ago

Isn't going to make any difference.

wnylib

(26,664 posts)
20. True. And he stopped bombing bc his Arab allies
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:00 PM
21 hrs ago

who gave him tons of money and gifts in expectation of protection were being attacked by Iran. They told him to stop.

Donnie got himself into this mess with nobody to bail him out.

Lovie777

(24,070 posts)
7. shithole is the smartest person in the whole wide universe.......................
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:48 PM
22 hrs ago

everybody needs to be subservient because they are just stupid.

Whoever leaked that out will be tar and feather and fired. Better yet, DOJ and acting AG will indict the person.

ecstatic

(35,151 posts)
9. He thinks he's smarter than he is
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:51 PM
22 hrs ago
"You're talking about 47 years of getting away with whatever they wanted... This should've been done long ago. This should've been done by other presidents or other countries."


Instead of thinking, I wonder why other presidents have abstained from getting involved, his first thought is: For 47 years, other presidents did nothing about Iran! I'm smarter than all of them! I have more courage than them! I'm going to do something about Iran.

There will be many more "miscalculations," and a lot of people will die as a result.

GoodRaisin

(11,130 posts)
12. He's stupid. This time his stupidity has reignited a mideast war and he has no way out.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 06:59 PM
22 hrs ago

He is 100% responsible. He overplayed his “cards”.

He will go down as one of the worst world leaders in history because he started this.

Justice matters.

(10,158 posts)
33. US casualties already cost too much:
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:56 PM
20 hrs ago

Official U.S. casualty figures in the conflict with Iran stand at 13 service members killed in action and over 360 wounded.

The majority of the wounded sustained minor injuries, though a portion required serious medical treatment.

AND FOR WHAT? High gas prices? They should all be healthy and fine!

LuvLoogie

(8,981 posts)
24. It's likely someone from the state department.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:17 PM
20 hrs ago

One of Rubio's deputies. Or someone from the NSA.

mr715

(4,620 posts)
29. Ooo interesting.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:28 PM
20 hrs ago

Given the nature of the rumblings, I would've thought someone from Vance's camp, not Rubio nor Hegseth nor Wiles.

FakeNoose

(42,727 posts)
25. He figured MBS and the other Arab leaders would get him out of this
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:21 PM
20 hrs ago

Instead, they're letting him twist slowly in the wind....

Chump is on his own, and he knows he started this when he tore up Obama's treaty in 2018.
He deserves the opposite of the Nobel Peace Prize, whatever that may be.



tulipsandroses

(8,321 posts)
27. And yet he's focused on going to a fucking basketball game.....
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 08:25 PM
20 hrs ago

Just imagine if this was a democratic president. The media would lose their shit.

Hope22

(4,936 posts)
36. This wouldn't happen if imbeciles weren't playing war!
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:09 PM
19 hrs ago

Service members should be irate about the lack of planning and consideration. This is the kind of crap we marched against regarding Iraq!!

Beartracks

(14,693 posts)
38. But but Trump is the most geniusy genius that ever geniused.
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:16 PM
19 hrs ago

And we know this for a fact because he told us himself.

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Aussie105

(8,259 posts)
40. Don't TELL me, SHOW me!
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:27 PM
19 hrs ago

Who would have thought that the billions of taxpayers dollars 'invested' in the military industrial complex, and the God given moral superiority America assumes is theirs, would be insufficient to stomp a supposedly backwards country like Iran into the ground?

Yet here we are.

usonian

(26,838 posts)
42. Yadda Yadda, but will this prevent him from being the MVP at the NBA finals game?
Sun Jun 7, 2026, 09:37 PM
19 hrs ago

I understand that hackers have taken over the "Jumbotron" at Madison Square Garden and plan a UUUUUUGE surprise or two or tnree.

That would give him a stroke, since he physically cannot get a heart attack.





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