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Hegseth is a religious right wing bigot
'Hoo boy': Pete Hegseth slammed by both sides after 'huge own goal' offends Christian sect
— Raw Story (@rawstory.com) 2026-06-06T23:30:05.367Z
https://www.rawstory.com/hegseth-2677007794/
As Raw Story reported, Sen. John Curtis (R-UT) moved quickly Saturday to condemn the change as "unacceptable," saying he was working to reverse it. He wasn't alone.
Rep. Celeste Maloy (R-UT) a Utah Republican congresswoman stopped short of criticizing Hegseth directly but made clear where she stood on the underlying question. "Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are Christians," she wrote on X. "We worship Jesus Christ, strive to follow His teachings, and His name is even in the name of our Church. Just last year, President Trump himself recognized Latter-day Saints as Christians." She said she looked forward to "conversations that will ensure all service members receive the religious support and First Amendment protections they deserve."
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT), whose handle is @BasedMikeLee, kept it simple: "Can anyone tell me why The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was left out of the list of Christian churches?"
The answer, based on the list published by Hegseth's office, is that the Pentagon placed LDS in its own standalone category "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (CJ)" separate from the two dozen denominations listed under the "Christian" umbrella.
Henry Olsen, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a prominent conservative commentator, said Hegseth shot himself in the foot: "Failing to characterize Mormons as Christians is a huge own goal by Hegseth."
SheilaAnn
(10,804 posts)Jim__
(15,298 posts)SheilaAnn
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(15,298 posts)haele
(15,663 posts)Roman Catholic is not the only "Christian" Catholic in the US, there are some Opus Dei/Rad Trad types who believe that since Vatican II, Rome was no longer Catholic enough for them, and they only nominally listen the Pope.
Especially a lot of the pro - Fascist US Bishops who are butt-hurt over being called out for property/financial shady dealings and of course, the child abuse they had been indulging in since the mid-19th century. There's enough political tension around the US bishops and Pope Leo that some former (disgraced) bishops have been talking about a split, as there is with the various Eastern Orthodox churches.
So, as was explained to me by various Catholic devout over the years, using the term Christian Catholic does not necessarily mean Catholic following the Pope in Rome.
It could also mean member of a Latin Mass strip mall "Catholic" church run by a former deacon or Dominican seminary student who went Rad Trad.
SheilaAnn
(10,804 posts)Mossfern
(4,829 posts)but exactly are the consequences of not being listed as Cristian?
haele
(15,663 posts)And the enlisted Religious Non-Comms who act in lieu of the Chaplin are determined/assigned by the recognized religions on the list.
As White Nationalism takes over, fewer and fewer religions will be recognized.
The first non "Christian" Chaplains were Jewish and Roman Catholic, appointed during the Civil War in 1862.
But I can guarantee there were probably Jewish, Catholic, Muslim, and other sects of religionists and non-religionists in the US military since the beginning to that time who weren't being served by the Chaplin Corps (who were also supposed to help the illiterate with news to and from home along with other personal issues affecting their ability to do their duties) because they didn't show up at services.
On edit.
If the US military "leadership" can limit the Chaplain's Corps to only reflect the "Official Religion", they turn the Chaplain's Corps into Political Officers instead of the Mental Health and Personal Ombudsman service they currently supposed to provide, which is a throwing away of trust between the Military Personnel and the State they serve.
oasis
(54,136 posts)while his mouth is steadily working overtime.
Celerity
(55,145 posts)MineralMan
(151,859 posts)that "Mormons aren't real Christians." I'd argue that most fundamentalist Christians aren't Christians, either, based on the words supposedly said by Jesus Christ himself, but what do I know?
Bottom line is that Hegseth is one of those fundamentalist, dominionistic Christians. They think they are the only arbiter of what is Christian and what is not.
This is all silliness. The military should have nothing to say about the categorization of religions. In fact it is prohibited from doing so by the Constitution. So is Hegseth.
David__77
(24,869 posts)And this articule saying sect is doing some major editorializing
LetMyPeopleVote
(183,085 posts)The defense secretary has spent most of his tenure drifting from one culture war priority to another. Evidently, he hasnt gotten to the end of his list.
On the one hand, Hegseth is using his office to advance a Christian nationalist agenda.
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-06-05T21:02:17.897Z
On the other hand, his Pentagon isnât just elevating one faith tradition, itâs also demoting other faith traditions, slashing the number of religions the Defense Department officially recognizes.
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/hegseths-pentagon-slashes-the-number-of-religious-faiths-it-officially-recognizes
This week, however, a related problem emerged, though in an unexpected way: Instead of seeing Hegseths Defense Department take steps to elevate one faith tradition, Americans are seeing the Pentagon demote other faith traditions. The Religion News Service reported:
The Department of Defense is substantially reducing the number of religions it officially recognizes, reportedly excluding atheists, pagans, humanists and New Age faiths, an independent military-focused news website reports.
The reduction of recognized faith groups represents the first time the military has revised the list since 2017, when it vastly expanded the list of recognized faith groups to about 211. The new list includes 31 recognized faiths, as first reported by Military.com on Thursday (June 4).
The Military.com report was based on a memorandum issued by Anthony Tata on May 20. (Tata, the under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness, is perhaps best known for his record of anti-Muslim rhetoric and bonkers condemnations of Barack Obama, whom Tata described as a terrorist leader. Last year, Senate Republicans confirmed him anyway.).....
The secretary has spent most of his tenure drifting from one culture war priority to another. The list, evidently, continues to grow.