Notice the source said it was a more powerful version of what Cambridge Analytical did. That is used social media to persuade people to vote for Trump. That's not vote rigging or changing votes. To jump her statement to rigging votes is fundamentally dishonest.

Her other statements about Musk saying he knew early Trump would win, exit polls and having good estimates on what turnout you predict you need are things. Also Musk regularly lies to boost himself. It's not out of the question he was just bullshitting to make himself seem more important.

There's nothing here to support their breathless conclusions and given their consistent lies, no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

that the election was NOT rigged.

Evidence that it wasn't rigged

Post election audits.
Election results in line with polls.
We won a bunch of down ticket races including in states Harris lost.
The conspiracy would require Democrats in the election process to be incompetent or corrupt.
The Harris campaign and the Biden administration didn't complain.
The people claiming it was rigged have presented lies and overstatements.

Evidence it was rigged
None that has stood up to scrutiny.

Sure in theory all the evidence could be wrong, but in theory there could be Martians living under the surface but nothing supports that.

That's not how this works. Might as well asked them to prove Santa doesn't in fact exist. How this is supposed to work is you make the claim, YOU back it up with evidence.

So far the evidence is very, very thin amounting to merely claims without evidence. Given the complexity, variability, and size of the US election system, a rational view is more than likely it wasn't tampered with directly. With the power of social media, you really don't have to.

But we have to face the fact that 33% of the electorate opposed fascism, 34% supported fascism, and 33% didn't vote, so they chose fascism by default.

Using social media to sway people is disinformation/propaganda, not vote "rigging". "Rigging" an election is very hard and very illegal when you get caught. Voter SUPPRESSION and LYING is VERY effective and entirely LEGAL.

Anything could be deemed "rigging" if that's useful, but it is by definition not. What they should be saying is "influenced". Which no doubt he did. That's what campains are for, to influence voting. These are however shady forms of influence being orchestrated corruptly in many cases. While not correctly identified as rigging, they should be addressed and some sort of accountablity or regulation put in place. But for them, the more they throw around the idea that elections are rigged, no matter the context, it works to their advantage.

They did a lot more than "persuading people to vote for Trump."

Just really effective psychology at getting people to change their mind.

Please point me to anything that says they changrd cast votes or stuffed the ballot. Otherwise, there's really nothing there but a semantic argument.

There's a lot more to it than that, including accessing, without consent, the personal data, contact information and posting history of just about every American who uses Facebook. Then giving that information to military-trained psy-op teams with the express purpose of fucking with the posters' heads and radicalizing them.

This needs to be investigated. Also corresponds to the Starlink.

That he already had all the votes he needed....a MONTH before the election? His saying that elon musk knew how to program the computers in Pennsylvania to insure trump won there? All those were just bluffing?

And the fact that Elon and his boys stole everyone's data from the IRS and Social Security? The Medicare office sent me a letter that Medicare had been compromised and I needed a new Medicare number and they sent me a new card.

I am so sick and tired of people buying the commercial line that the elections are safe. Until there is massive control over all election machines and the central tabulators, and their internet connections are backed up with hand counts, where every single precinct is securely audited, and where machines are locked down with properly investigated software without anyone being able to get back in, and until we are truly screwed with our heads in the sand.

There are trillions of dollars at stake! Do you really think nobody is going to try to mess with that? How can our country be so obtuse as to think there aren't bad actors after what we've seen since 2016?

These low info voters are an easy target and we're seeing significant fracturing of the "MAGA" movement. They don't need to vote Democratic if they don't vote at all, it's a win.

Don't get distracted with stuff you can do nothing about without control of the House or Senate.

Focus on the task at hand.

Thought would protect the country

Unfortunately we have let corporations ( owned by 1%ers) take over our vote counting process and as you can see from this thread even questioning those corporations brings out the “swarm “

How DARE they?

No one can really prove what Musk has done, unless it's through discovery in a federal court or ... Unless the NSA has access to his Starlink and low orbit satellite system codes.

We DU'ers knew Musk was dangerous in 2024. When Biden invited his Facebook followers to text him (and gave his number), I wrote him this on Nov 9 ... Just thought I'd put this out there because at the time, the "tabulator issue" in battleground states was being kicked around on DU.

Thanks for posting this, I never would have seen it otherwise.

We ALL suspected as much, but she spells it out for us. I wonder if "something" will happen to her?

I'd prefer we be the sober adults in the room and not try to comfort ourselves with obvious lies.

She never confirmed "He Rigged the 2024 Election Using Technology". They even admit that in their text:

Of course, by accurate, I mean completely made up.

This was never a secret really.

a difference between plausible conspiracy theories (when evidence is hidden but still searched for) and impossible conspiracy theories (that no amount of science or investigative skills can support).

Conspiracy theories like Jewish space lazer beams haven't turned up anything because there's been nothing to turn up.
Conspiracy theories like Starlink's likely having uploaded and downloaded data, including code, can indeed be investigated.

undermines the nature of investigation and truth seeking.

There is no difference between jewish space lasers and Elon uploading code into starlink.

They are both based on nothing and nonsense.

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Not so with effort made on a belief in the impossible, which melt away much sooner than the former kind.

Hope vs. Cope.

Everything we've seen from this substack has been disproven. These claims vastly over state what St Clair actually said to the point of being dishonest. Given the history of the substance being dishonest, why should this be given any benefit of the doubt?

You make fair points. And yet the high credibility lies in Musk's Starlink's upload/download history of data and code. Which, for plausible deniability's sake, Muxk wouldn't breathe a word about even to Trump, nevermind an ex.

See post #47

also:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/11/13/fact-check-was-elon-musks-starlink-used-to-rig-the-us-election

https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/18/conspiracy-theory-starlink-election-results/

https://abc30.com/post/starlink-system-is-not-connected-voting-machines-tulare-county-elections-office-says/15541598/

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-starlink-election-fraud-claims-blue-anon/

This was all very much within the skill set of the Starlink and Palantir people. And it would not have taken many people. A team much smaller than the DOGE kiddies would have been plenty, if they were the right ones.

Or Uncle Sam lies America into illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars for profit.

Or Epstein being protected from the law since way before Iran-Contra.

And yet, here some are amazed at what criminals in government service did and do.

These MFers are evil. Trump is a dumb ass, but Musk isn't, and he can put together -- and reward handsomely -- teams to do these kinds of things.

These same people don't seem to have trouble understanding that Erik Prince and his Blackwater MFers were for real, and still ARE F-ing with the rest of the world on the US taxpayer's dime. But that's because guns are easier to understand than computer systems and invisible networks.

The level of denial here really is shameful, considering that there wasn't a single recount, not a single effort of any sort by the DNC to follow these claims. Our friends here are, unbelievably, willing to not even look into the possibility that Musk and Trump actually did what they said they were going to do to the 2024 election. Yet they will come here every day and debate polls and messaging. NONE OF THAT MATTERS if there is a person who can do what St. Clair described.

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on such, when we should be using the time building our voter base to hatch and execute our winning plans is the most pathetic of all.

should have. Not that he tampered with the vote..

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Operating Systems of Dominion Voting Systems and E.S.&S. Voting Systems. The story is that firmware patches were placed onto those systems and his DTC Starlink low earth orbit satellites allowed for that.
I personally think that it went well beyond just looking @ the voting results but just by looking @ that
vote early was a clear violation of the law. The returns from voting are put out by the Sec. of State’s
office not by some billionaire dirt bag.

Google DTC Starlink.

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January 2024 — Musk begins fast-tracking the launch of the new low-earth-orbit DTC constellation, a project that experts said should have taken 2+ years to build.
February 2024 — Musk files paperwork for his America PAC. (So his support had nothing to do with the “assassination” attempt as claimed.)
May 2024 — Peter Thiel funds Polymarket.
May 2024 — Eaton Corporation, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, announces a deepening relationship with Thiel’s Palantir.
July 2024 — Musk launches America PAC, a voter-information harvesting and Trump fundraising operation, using Republican Chain Bridge as its financial institution.
September 2024 — Eaton, with access to roughly 70% of U.S. election equipment infrastructure, partners with Elon Musk and Tesla.
October 4, 2024 — Republican bank Chain Bridge launches its IPO.
October 5, 2024 — According to The New York Times, Elon Musk texts a friend, who we now believe to be St. Clair:
“I’m feeling more optimistic after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly in the matrix.” An hour later, he adds: “This isn’t something on the chessboard, so they’ll be quite surprised. ‘Lasers’ from space.”

October 7, 2024 - Musk laughingly tells Tucker Carlson in an interview: “If Trump loses I’m fu*cked. How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
October 30, 2024 - the DTC satellites launch, activating the constellation of 265 units, less than a week before Election Day.
October 30, 2024 — Republican Chain Bridge Bank shares surge to more than three times average trading volume.
October 30, 2024 - Peter Thiel’s Polymarket predicts the exact outcome of the presidential election.

Trump, I don’t need anymore votes. He said that 3 times on the campaign trail.
Musk, I have a special app that lets me see the results early.

... checked out with a simple search.

The Starlink network does not use lasers to communicate with the earth. It uses radio waves, like almost all commercial satellites. Starlink ground stations then send the signal to conventional internet servers to be distributed around the globe.

If somebody were to try to fuck voting machines (most, by law, are never connected to the internet), there would be no reason to originate the attack from satellites because it's just an extra unnecessary step.

I'm sure Elon Musk's mention of "space lasers" to this influencer person wasn't him trolling her. It's not like he has a lengthy public record of lying to people.

cell towers, not the Internet. So whether the tabulator are or are not connected to the Internet, Starlink can still access them. There's no other material reason why Trump and Musk said they knew the outcome early. None.

of spreading CTs when I provided this exact same information a year ago.

A conspiracy? Yes, absolutely.

A theory? No, not so much. This needs to come out fully or else we can never have real Presidential elections again.

To recap, Musk, Palantir, and ESS conspired to rig the 2024 election by introducing remote control over a relatively small set of tabulator machines at the precinct levels of swing states. This conspiracy has its roots in the takeover of ESS by Republican partisans decades ago, followed by decades of work at the state and county levels to get ESS implanted as the de facto US election system, representing over 70% of election systems nationwide and the majority supplier in 100% of the swing states.

The nature of the attack was to remotely control the tabulators that exist in every polling place that uses ESS. Musk identified the tabulators as the weak link because they were believed to be completely isolated from the outside world, and were not actually the "official" vote. The ESS systems uses paper ballots that can be recounted, so the tabulators were seen simply as a faster way to get results to the county HQ, and if there were controversies, the paper ballots could be recounted.

So the Musk plan was to use Starlink to establish remote control over the minimum set of tabulators required to flip the election. By August 2024, Musk had demonstrated the ability to take remote control over the tabulators, and it was at that point that Musk and Trump both started talking openly about "nobody knows more about the election counting computers than Elon Musk".

The exact level of ESS participation in this particular rigging operation is not clear. There is an implication that they were not tightly involved because the Trump people had multiple teams in the field commandeering tabulator machines ostensibly to reverse engineer them. This is the whole story of the Tina Peters case. ESS could have provided those details directly, and evidently did not.

What remained was a mathematical/statistical problem to determine which tabulators needed to be taken over (for purposes of active vote flipping, plus many others needed to be monitored on election day without actually flipping votes). The game was to dynamically determine (through reports of early voting and by monitoring the tabulation in real time) how many votes to flip. They needed to flip enough to get past any recount thresholds. That is where Palantir came in, as well as the above reference to Cambridge Analytica. This analysis was a lot more complicated, but that is what Palantir does. That is their core competency.

It all went as planned. On election day, Musk had an app on his phone that showed him how the vote flipping was going, so much that by 4PM, he proudly declared to friends that the election had already been won.

They hit their numbers, and not a single recount happened. Had anybody recounted, simply running the paper ballots through a tabulator known not to be compromised, election officials would immediately have seen that the reported results were all wrong -- that is to say, the down ballot numbers were not tampered with, only the Trump-Harris vote -- and there were radical disparities between Trump-Harris versus the down-ballot in a specific set of election sites, and those patterns were seen nowhere else. But none of these recounts happened and in all likelihood, the paper ballots have been destroyed by now,

The major elements of this scheme have been known for a long time and it is maddening that Democrats don't seem to even care, or perhaps they don't have the technical depth to put the pieces together.

So indeed, let's see the Dem post-mortem as Pelosi and Harris are calling for. Let's see if the DNC is totally oblivious or simply chose to ignore all of this.

If they executed the scheme I described above, also described by Ms. St. Clair today, do you think either Musk or Trump would be bothered by the destruction of the ballots. Any reasonable person should assume they have been lost, damaged, soaked in a flood, accidentally used as toilet paper or otherwise taken care of long ago.

And BTW, the election was 18 months ago. In 4 more months they can be destroyed legally. Is anybody going to do anything to try to preserve that evidence?

without ending up in dog shit?

He has managed to make himself the richest person in the world, at least on paper.

And Trump has managed to accumulate several billion dollars in the past 14 months, mainly by completely disregarding laws.

Frankly I have very little patience for anybody arguing that our system of laws will prevail.

Election ,

If that’s available to people in the area in question, they should do that but I was really surprised it’s not allowed that way everywhere…. Makes me wonder what they are hiding

we could be filing cases to preserve those ballots and to make them available for inspection. To my knowledge that has not been done ANYWHERE.

And let me reiterate, the nature of this operation, as alleged was:
* To operate only in swing states because nothing else matters in Presidential elections
* To monitor many polling stations (without flipping votes) in order to have confidence in just how many votes to flip
* To actually flip votes in a relatively small number of voting locations

These are easy to identify because they show Trump winning by a much greater percentage than shown on the down-ballot races, and that pattern was essentially binary. The pattern existed very clearly from a specific set of tabulators, and nowhere else.

My guess is that there were several hundred ESS tabulators involved in flipping votes across all 7 ESS-dominated swing states. It isn't a huge number. But to make that work, we need politician who understand something about computers, a team of lawyers who understand even more about computers, and a cadre of judges who are able to make sense out of legal arguments involving complicated computer schemes. That's the problem. We've got very little of that.

And not enough time on the lack of transparency

It should not be up to the citizens to have to prove the government wrong, the government should have to prove their conclusions to us!

The opacity is intentional. Power does not give up power voluntarily.

I'm not against advocating for more transparency. But we have an election already underway right now. How do we know that Musk and Trump are not using these same tactics to rig the primaries. I have no reason to believe that is happening, other than the fact that they boasted of doing this with regard to the 2024 Presidential election, BEFORE, DURING, and AFTER the election. So we most certainly should not rule out the continued use of what worked before. Republicans always over-reach.

We can debate the merits of a focus on exposing the facts versus establishing new transparency las (which will likely be ignored), but at this point I'd welcome ANY action on this front. AFAIK, it has been completely ignored but 100% of the DNC and party establishment.

Even using the ESS system, we don't usually get out of the polling place until 8PM -- and that is after arriving at 5AM. That is a long day.

In this case, the claim is that ESS installed a back door through the uninterruptible power systems they installed in many of the tabulators. To verify results, all you need to do is load the election day file into a tabulator known to not have a UPS and to have a factory reset software. Then you run the full batch of ballots through and see what the totals are. It could be done in under an hour and would put all of this to rest.

Otherwise it’s swapping one non transparent process for another

I have absolutely no problem with further investigations into it, or with Democrats believing the 2024 election was stolen, specifically because Trump and Republicans refuse to this day to acknowledge 2020.

Yes, some might say we're better than that, but I say fk that - return the favour.

Trump and his MAGA made the idea of a "stolen 29290 election" the CENTERPIECE of their whole campaign, attempted an armed overthrow of government over it. Elected Republicans refused to say otherwise.

It's a notion that undoubtedly drove every other MAGA to the polls, and it's being used still, as cover for Trump appointed goons going into state offices to SEIZE ballots.

So I can think of nothing that'd chafe the GRIFTER-in-Chief's bum more than half the country believing he never won in the FIRST place.

What's good for the goose...

However, suspending disbelief for a moment if one were to examine this seriously two questions would need to be resolved.

1. What would have been the desire, aims, will for Elon Musk to alter election results? Would he want to do it in the first place?

2. Would he have had the ability to alter results?


The answer to question No. 1 is not debatable. Yes, he would absolutely alter results if given the opportunity. He’s made clear his views on Democracy. He’s also a very low character guy, which is also not debatable. So I feel comfortable in believing he would do it if he had the ability.

The answer to question No.2 is a solid “probably not”.

Why not just look at the ballots?

With human eyes 👀

But that’s not going to answer the question of how he did it. That’s also pretty relevant because if he did actually change tabulations in 2024 how it worked might be good to know before the next election.

Magic vote-changing space technology!

is the real deal.

This is why Trump complains so much about 2020

Trump knows the Fix was in for 2016 - 2020 - 2024

So he can't come to grips with the fact he lost so bigly in 2020 that Biden overcame the rigging. It's always projection with Trump..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Trump was just asking for 11,780 votes

Is that so wrong

Link to tweet

So depressing that this long debunked shit CT election denialist site gets so many recs here.

She agreed to be one of Elon's baby-mamas in exchange for being set for life (she gets ≈$40k a month). A former Internet "it girl" who is trying to remain relevant. All her reported "confirmation" was just a bunch of vague-posting.

I don't trust her. I recommend everyone else do likewise. ✌️