Anybody can write anything on the internet- that doesn’t make it true.

You should delete this OP, as it spreads dangerous misinformation.

(It has been posted before, and has been debunked repeatedly)

Is that how you’re so sure when it’s clear you have not read the article or checked any of the provided sources or links?

No one!

I believe the American people have the right to oversee the counting of our ballots, in a transparent and open manner, and nothing will ever change my mind…. What I don’t understand is why anyone would advocate for corporations to count our votes in secrecy and darkness!

Every vote should be counted. And I agree with the core point you are making.

So, let's not do election night anymore. Let's do it like other places, where once all the counting is done the results get reported.

However, even still, you ain't going to be seeing the inside of the machine. It'll be a hand count of every vote, but if they don't turn out the way someone wants, they'll cry fraud.

Just because you can't prove it isn't fraud, doesn't make it fraud.

There was a lot of crying.

Because letting the republicans intimidate us into not counting the vote lead to the republican owned companies making the machines that now count the votes

And the brooks brothers thing happened at the county level when votes should be counted precinct by precinct

... hand the 2024 election to the Guilded Golden Orange Nazi Tyrant ?

Will they do it again in 2026 and 2028 bringing Project 2025 to full fruition. In their quest to make the USA a full blown Fascist Nationalist Theocratic Hyper Capitalist State?

Musk was heavily invested, both personally and financially, in the WI Supreme Court election last year, and his candidate lost big time.

Why did he let that happen if he could’ve just rigged it?

This kooky CT nonsense falls apart the instant any critical thinking is applied to it.

While WI results, important but not as important to his personal freedom might have tipped off meddling if he did that again?

Every state acts independently.

Obviously there is a great deal of coordination among the states when it comes to gerrymandering, voter purging and anti-voting legislation.

Please tell me you understand those things and were just joking.

However, they are tangential to the point. Indiana, for example, did not pass a new gerrymander despite Texas, etc. passing one.

Nebraska splits its electoral votes like Maine, but neither California nor New York, nor Texas do.

gets lost in the shuffle, I guess.

And state by state tallies are tranmitted electronically. Guess who owns a lot of the tech that does that sort of thing.

He’s an evil genius, but not that evil.

Some lines we do not cross.

It has been done in the past and the process to achieve better results is being refined election after election until the desired results are achieved. Elon Musk and Peter Thief are the front runners of developing the means of manipulating elections via the use of computer data bases.

It has been done in the past. Various different computer analytical tools are still in the development stages to help deliver better election results for their paying clients of a specific ideological bend and lean.

Remember Cambridge Analytica who helped Ted Cruz and then switched to help D.J. Trump win the election to the White House during 2016,... at the behest of part owners the Mercer family.

Sourced from Wikipedia,....

In March 2018, media outlets broke news of Cambridge Analytica's business practices. The New York Times and The Observer reported that the company had acquired and used personal data about Facebook users from an external researcher who had told Facebook he was collecting it for academic purposes.[30] Shortly afterwards, Channel 4 News aired undercover investigative videos showing Nix boasting about using prostitutes, bribery sting operations, and honey traps to discredit politicians on whom it had conducted opposition research, and saying that the company "ran all of (Donald Trump's) digital campaign". In response to the media reports, the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) of the UK pursued a warrant to search the company's servers.[31][32] Facebook banned Cambridge Analytica from advertising on its platform, saying that it had been deceived.[33][34] On 23 March 2018, the British High Court granted the ICO a warrant to search Cambridge Analytica's London offices.[35] As a result, Nix was suspended as CEO, and replaced by Julian Wheatland.[36]

The personal data of up to 87 million[37] Facebook users were acquired via the 270,000 Facebook users who used a Facebook app created by Aleksandr Kogan called "This Is Your Digital Life". This was a personality profiling app and asked simple personality questions similar to other Facebook quizzes. Kogan was a scientist and psychologist, also being an employed lecturer for the University of Cambridge from 2012 to 2018. Alexander Nix claimed they had close to five thousand data points on each person who participated. They also gathered information through other data brokers ending with them acquiring millions of data points from American citizens.[38]

Kogan's app exploited a feature of Facebook's Graph API (version 1.0), which permitted any third-party app to access not only the app user's data, but also the full profile data of all of that user's Facebook friends, without those friends' knowledge or consent.[39] This platform-wide design was available to all developers and was used by tens of thousands of apps; Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg later told the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the company was auditing "tens of thousands" of apps that had had access to large amounts of user data.[40] Because the average Facebook user at the time had approximately 300 friends, the 270,000 users who installed Kogan's app yielded data on up to 87 million people.[41] Facebook deprecated the friends-data API in April 2014 and shut it down entirely in April 2015, but data already collected by apps remained in developers' possession.[42] Kogan passed this data to Cambridge Analytica[43], breaching Facebook's terms of service.

On 1 May 2018, Cambridge Analytica and its parent company SCL filed for insolvency proceedings and closed operations.[44][45] Alexander Tayler, a former director for Cambridge Analytica, was appointed director of Emerdata on 28 March 2018.[46] Rebekah Mercer, Jennifer Mercer, Alexander Nix and Johnson Chun Shun Ko [zh], who has links to American businessman Erik Prince, are in leadership positions at Emerdata.[47][48] The Russo brothers are producing an upcoming film on Cambridge Analytica.[49][50][20] In 2019 the Federal Trade Commission filed an administrative complaint against Cambridge Analytica for misuse of data.[51] In 2020, the British Information Commissioner's Office closed a three-year inquiry into the company, concluded that Cambridge Analytica was "not involved" in the 2016 Brexit referendum and found no additional evidence for Russia's alleged interference during the campaign.[52] US sensitive polling and election data, however, were passed to Russian Intelligence via a Cambridge Analytica contractor Sam Patten, Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Russian agent Konstantin Kilimnik, who was indicted during the affair.[53]

Link to above plus more info,...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

Cambridge Analytica used personal data to target gullible people with misinformation to shape their opinions.

What is being alleged in this OP is that Musk and Thiel used technology to alter vote totals.

That didn’t happen.

Thanks for your openness- I’ll be adding you to my list of 100+ 2024 Election Deniers on my ignore list.

I too sometimes engage in wishful thinking, but can tell the difference between wishing and knowing there is no level some self serving billionaires won't go to in order to stay outta prison.

She said, we need to watch that the republicans don’t electronically manipulate the totals!

Named musk as a bad player…

Pelosi is among the few Democrats who are willing to say out loud what seems pretty damned obvious.

There are way too many things that just happened to work out. The voting pattern in those several swing states was completely disconnected from the polling, there results in similar states, and the down-ballot results in the the same states. And every one of those flipped swing states had exactly the same pattern. That is, they couned just enough votes for Trump to win, but not enough to trigger a recount or audit. There were no systematic audits of ANY of those results. Moreover, what happened was EXACTLY what Musk and Trump said out loud 3 months before the election.

So I'm glad Pelosi is saying it out loud -- albeit 20 months after it really mattered.

Pay attention to the posters calling names ,they won’t acknowledge ms Pelosi’s warning

1. Where were the warnings in August 2024 when trump and Musk said this was their scheme?

2. Why is Pelosi so alone with her warnings now?

It’s out of the realm of possibility that Eloon could have tainted the data. Anything going through starlink is suspect. These are routers that have the ability to unpack an Ethernet data packet to route the packet. Who’s to say they didn’t take it a step further and corrupt the data.

The This Will Hold substack has been repeatedly debunked as lying. They offer no evidence and the source also offers no evidence. They are telling you what you want to hear to get you to buy a subscription.

Am I missing anyone? The congressional redistricting before midterms doesn't shine light on how the anti-Democratic forces will do anything to win? What will it take to convince some people that there is a dismantling of our political system right before our eyes?

This is false.

That isn't required for people to believe there has been a dismantling of our political system. That is true.

Nothing was stolen from them?

Al Gore lost an election.

Hillary Clinton lost an election.

They both won the popular vote - and in Clinton's case, convincingly.

Neither of them won the election. What does this have to do with the positive claim that Kamala Harris won?

and the Russians never interfered with anything in America. I mean, those Russians are naturally altruistic.

What about their war in Ukraine indicates to you that they are anything other than a 1970s backwater regional power?

Maybe the simple solution works: our country does, in fact, have institutional problems with democratic representation.

Hanging chads or bernie bros - doesn't matter. They lost. It sucks that they did, but they did.

Russia might try to interfere with our elections... if they did in 2000, it'd be Bill Clinton's responsibility to prevent it. If it happened in 2016, it was Obama's responsibility to fight back.

If you are assuming a conspiracy you surely can't expect the conspiracy to only be the "bad" guys.

confuse a lot of people though. So now you are throwing out "conspiracy." Nice try. I know how the right wingers operate. And this is their classic modus operandi.

Okay.

I'm saying they are a B-tier power. Who is listening to their propaganda? Why?

Thanks for making me laugh!!

Now will I be accused of being a kooky conspiracy theorist bringing shame upon DU.

The murder of Navalny was not a particular display of institutional competence.

After being falsely imprisoned and tortured.

It's probably comforting to his widow that it took Putin several tries.

but the exit polls said he should have won. That's when they decided to alter the exit polls....

When will we ever learn?

Can anyone say RUSSIA?

Made Up Shit that far too many believe without a shred of verifiable evidence.

But I’m sure this OP will rise to the top of the Greatest Page…

This kind of gullibility is why we can’t have nice things.

For some people the facts don't matter.

And it will almost certainly rise to the top of the Greatest Page.

Wonderful phrase.

Zarnowski has a bit of Terrance Howard going through his brain..

About as believable as The Failure caring about working people.

That's not the kind of work it ever did or does. I suspect this story is bullshit from top to bottom.
I worked at the NSA. THIS IS NOT WHAT IT DOES!

It is.

https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/the-zarnowski-file-a-case-study-in

As of right now.

In the running for the DU Hall Of Shame.

NSA has regulations that say "thou shalt not spy on Americans." Everyone in the business must complete annual training on this regulation. Most of the regulation tells you how to turn yourself in if you do. Auditing an election would qualify as spying on Americans, so they couldn't legally do it.

There's also the issue that NSA is not set up to inspect ballots. They don't have ballot readers or tabulation software.

The people who audit elections are the Federal Elections Commission, and (at least before Trump took over) they do a good job of it.

...against the Constitution.

I constantly ask - isn't there some vehicle we can use? Put all the smart Constitutional scholars and legal creative minds in a room - figure it out.

PLEASE!!

There’s a reason that a roomful of constitutional scholars haven’t come with a solution…

The election wasn’t stolen.

It's hard to wrap my mind around the idea that voters set aside the fact that women were third class citizens to vote for a buffoon who almost killed us all last time.

It makes Trump's bizarre rants about 2020 look somewhat sane from the point of view of your average conspiracy nut.