General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"You're being lied to about Graham Platner"
(snip)
Platners Reddit archive contains thousands of comments over more than a decade, and it is possible to single out many of them to accuse him of any number of unflattering things. This is, in fact, exactly what seems to be happening in the media coverage of his posts, in which Platner is simultaneously portrayed as both a bigoted, far-right reactionary, and a dangerous left-wing radical.
But read in their totality, Platners posts paint a different picture of the candidate: someone who, far from a secret fascist, was openly and passionately opposed to fascism; who held a variety of typical progressive views even as he expressed himself in ways many liberals would regard as crass and offensive; who sympathizes with rural Americans despite being vehemently opposed to many of the candidates they vote for; and who was disillusioned with and radicalized against the system by US wars.
Platner, in other words, comes off as a flawed, complicated, and sometimes contradictory human being whose political views dont always fit neatly into a box. In that, he resembles millions of Americans including some of the exact voter demographics that American liberals say they want to win back, yet seemingly cant help but vilify.
https://jacobin.com/2025/10/platner-maine-senate-reddit-media
PatrickforB
(15,497 posts)him in this way all the way to the election. None of the billionaire parasites or Wall Street financiers or right wing think tanks want anyone knowing what Graham knows and talking like Graham does near the Capitol.
It might cut into Wall Street PROFITS, don'tcha know! Can't have that...
ShazzieB
(22,796 posts)That's a new one on me. Googling didn't help.
Celerity
(54,790 posts)ShazzieB
(22,796 posts)I did think of that, but didn't want to assume.
magicarpet
(19,136 posts)The ReThug party will dump major money on this campaign.
Susan Collins is the senior Senator from Maine. She has served six terms,... amounting to 36 years she has warmed that seat.
The GOPee figures if they plow enough money into this race they can keep Collins' head above water and above the fray, and eventually drag her across the finish line again.
Be prepared to see/experience a nasty mud fight. Right-wing pacs will spend a boat load of money to trash and put Graham Platner in the most negative light possible.
Do not fall for the Fascist bullshit,... it wil! be relentless.
Look deep into Graham Platner's background. He is not bidding his various indiscretions or his past. Remember we are human beings none of us are perfect or infallible. Planner walks the walk and talks the talk. It is astounding when you see his super macho man history. But the guy came out of the dark tunnel of his youth and surfaced a true blue honest to goodness progressive liberal. The guy is genuine from the heart. He is so eager to get deeper in the game of politics. He goal is to effect change and bring America to a better place. He has the drive and the gumption to pull it off.
Don't forget he comes with a few flaws,... but to be honest don't we all.
Look in to his background,.. acquaint yourself with who he really is. Look into his youth. Follow him on his growing up phase. His fears... His ambitions,.. His goals. It is all there on the web to see.
Sourced Wikipedia - Platner page,...
Graham Cunningham Platner (born September 1, 1984) is an American oyster farmer and Marine Corps veteran who is a candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2026 U.S. Senate election in Maine, seeking to challenge incumbent Republican senator Susan Collins.
+++++++++
Graham Platner
Platner in 2025
Personal details
Born
Graham Cunningham Platner
September 1, 1984 (age 41)
Blue Hill, Maine, US
Party
Democratic
Spouse
Amy Gertner
m. 2024)
Relations
Warren Platner (grandfather)
Education
George Washington University (attended)
Occupation
Oyster farmerharbormaster
Website
Campaign website
Military service
Branch/service
United States Marine Corps
Maryland National Guard
Years of service
20032007
20102011[1]
Rank
Sergeant[2]
Battles/wars
Iraq War
War in Afghanistan
Graham Platner's voice
Duration: 30 seconds.0:30
Platner criticizing the Democratic Party's corporate donors and backers
Recorded December 20, 2025
After graduating from high school in 2003, Platner enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps and served eight years, including three combat tours in Iraq, later joining the Maryland Army National Guard and deploying to Afghanistan before leaving military service in 2016 and returning to Maine. In 2018, he worked as a State Department security contractor before entering the oyster farming business, taking over a Maine operation in 2020 and later becoming active in local government. He announced his candidacy for the U.S. Senate in 2025.
Graham Platner's Wikipedia page,... link below,....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Platner
+++++++++++
Jon Stewart,... Weekly Show podcast,.. 1 + 1/2 hours of a person to person interview with Graham Platner.
ShazzieB
(22,796 posts)Jon Stewart seems really impressed by him, too.
Also, I understand he's been endorsed by both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. That says a lot, imo.
magicarpet
(19,136 posts).... need of the common women and men. This is what Senator Sanders and E. Warren recognize in Planner and why they gave him their full endorsement.
We need to breakup the monopolistic powers of the monied classes here in America. Deconstruct the status quo that really only serves the benefits of the monies class. Rocking the boat and making waves is long past due. Off shoring manufacturing decimated the blue collar classes. As did making the unionization of the workforce much more difficult to nearly impossible. The advent of robotic factories and manufacturing will be another blow to blue collar workers while pulling another rug out from under them.
Now comes Artificial Intelligence computer systems and data bases so that computers and machines can do human thinking for them. These Artificial Intelligence platforms will now decimate the professional and white collar workforces leaving many without their well paying jobs to support their families.
The road ahead does not look pleasant for America's white collar, professional collar, upper to lower middle classes, blue collar and upper and lower poorer classes of our citizens. We must rapidly revamp, rebuild, reconstruct, and reconfigure our hyper capitalistic system. At the rapid pace of "advancement" we are going we are rapidly severing and disconnecting large segments of our society from their ability to make their financial ends meet and cover their day to day basic needs.
This will inevitably invite social discord, up risings, and major social strife.
A more aggressive stance to deal with these coming issues would be a very wise course of action to take,... Like PRONTO.
Status quo thinking moved to the back burners of the stove with settings set on low. Progressive & provocative thinking moved to the front burners with the setting set on high full blast. The turmoil hyper capitalism is currently bringing to the lives of American citizenry is not to be trifled with, it is not a parlor joke. It is tearing apart and decimating our society. It is questionable whether or country can endure much more of,.. before something or large groups of citizens upraisings, riot, and/or explode. We must bring experts and caring individuals alike to Washington DC to grapple on to these issues and deliver resolution to these growing and compounding social, cultural, and policy - difficulties.
Americans have proven again and again in the past that they have an astounding ability to collaborate and work together in unison to bring closure to various problems and difficulties that confront us. History is calling, kicking & screaming, cavorting, cajoling, and imploring for us to get our shit together and do so once again.
Will we answer the call,... or will we quickly transfer the call to the ignore section of our messaging system ?
GreenWave
(12,739 posts)PatrickforB
(15,497 posts)the elites who rule the corporate media, Wall Street, the SuperPacs, think tanks like Heritage and Cato, not to mention ALEC. Should have typed 'TPTB' or 'PTB.'
ShazzieB
(22,796 posts)I did think of that but I see abbreviations that I don't recogbize every day, so I didn't want to assume.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)People who served in the marines in Camp Lejeune know all to well the culture of drunk stupidity and getting a tattoo they know nothing about...
TheProle
(4,040 posts)and there are hundreds, if not thousands, of locations who can do this?
Fiendish Thingy
(23,777 posts)In some cases its easier and cheaper to do a cover up rather than a removal.
Pete Davidson reportedly spent over $200k getting most of his removed.
TheProle
(4,040 posts)wackadoo wabbit
(1,305 posts)He was perfectly happy to keep it for something like 18 years before that.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,777 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,879 posts)Just saying ..
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,160 posts)known it because his tattoos would have been reviewed when he tried to return to active duty in 2009. He could have had it removed but chose to keep it and switch to the National Guard instead.
RetiredParatrooper
(207 posts)So, no.
Further, being drunk and getting a skull tattoo tracks. Also, knowing what a Totenkopf tattoo actually is and looks like is rather niche knowledge, except among actual Nazis/Neo-Nazis.
If you want to call the man a Nazi, don't beat around the bush.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,160 posts)waiver. So did he get it in the Guard?

RetiredParatrooper
(207 posts)
Is this guy a Nazi?

ShazzieB
(22,796 posts)I am inclined to cut some slack for a tattoo someone got when they were young and drunk. Especially since he had enough sense to get it covered up when he realized it was problematic.
I also agree about the desth's head/Nazi association being omewhat niche knowledge. When I heard he had a Nazi tattoo, I assumed it was a swastika or maybe the SS double lightning bolt runes.
I had to do some research just now to find out exactly what the totenkopf used by Nazis looks like, and one thing I found out is that it's not just a skull, with or without crossbones. It's a very specific rendition of a skull and bones that is distinct in many ways from the kind you might see on a Halloween costume pirate hat. (I won't post a pic here, but anyone who wants to know what it looked like can easily find out by googling .)
If that is what Platner's tattoo originally looked like, I'd say getting it was a pretty big oops, but assuming he knew exactly what it was is a stretch, imo. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would look at it and think "Pirates, arrrrr!" rather than recognizing it as a Nazi symbol. Unfortunately, those who know what a totenkopf is won't be able to unsee the Nazi association, so covering it up was a good idea, imo. Completely removing it would be even better, but that's a lot more expensive as well as time coneuming.
RetiredParatrooper
(207 posts)The lightning bolts you mentioned are the 'runes'. The 'before' tattoo does not have them, so it is ambiguous. The 'death's head' badge worn by the German army (Heer) armored troops in WWII was very similar. Thus, yes, it is a niche thing.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)They dont actually give thorough formal briefings on these things. I served in the Army myself and can attest to that.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,160 posts)I've looked but haven't seen any. I may have missed them.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)People who served in the marines and know the culture enough to be far more credible than you and I. I started an OP to see if they respond: https://democraticunderground.com/100221212750
That being said I do know somebody who served adjacent to his unit at around the same time and knows the culture well. He says it is overwhelmingly common for people to do. That insight in itself has completely transformed how I feel about Platner.
WhiskeyGrinder
(27,160 posts)a person.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)The closest I can find is Ruben Gallego who served adjacent to his unit at the exact same time in 2005 as a Marine. He was one of the first major figures to endorse Platner's Senate campaign.
Eko
(10,040 posts)I had a marine around that time argue with me that a M1 Garand was a machine gun cause that was what the M stood for.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)Tree Lady
(13,364 posts)To Vegas with a bunch of people for work, I worked in travel and made reservations at a lot of the hotels there, we went to have tours of them. One night late at night after a lot of drinking we ended up at tattoo parlor middle of night where everyone but me got a tattoo. I took taxi back to hotel, but boy did they pour on the peer pressure and I came closest in my life to getting one.
So I can just imagine marines and the whole macho thing.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)But I can also attest from my time in the army that military culture in itself is pretty irresponsible off duty.
There's a reason this weekend safety brief has become a staple of military leaders:
"Don't add to the population. Don't subtract from the population. And stay out of the newspaper, hospital and jail."
Tree Lady
(13,364 posts)My daughter just gave my grandson who is going to senior prom tonight in Texas.
She has always been worried if her sons got a girl pregnant Texas would force a baby. So her lecture was on sex and drinking but did say if you drink call me for ride don't care how late.
EdmondDantes_
(1,996 posts)Would it still be misleading?
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)The reports originating from an anonymous source are that he said those words years later as a joke -before he admitted he knew what it was still, but nonetheless well after he got them.
EdmondDantes_
(1,996 posts)But in that account he still knew what the tattoo was and didn't get rid of it. I will never understand how that's not a problem to some people. Growth is good, but if it's only done when it's convenient, that's not likely to be growth.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)EdmondDantes_
(1,996 posts)I wasn't good with keeping Swalwell or Franken either.
That nobody can point to anything he's done over the last 20 years that demonstrates he either was never the sort of person who would knowingly get a nazi tattoo or if he used to be that he's changed is hard to ignore for me.
That he blamed women for being raped is hard to ignore for me.
That he used retarded as a slur during the campaign is hard to ignore for me
That he told an antisemitic YouTube host that he's a long time fan is hard to ignore for me.
Obviously your mileage varies and you believe his words today. Maybe I'm a cynic, but I have found actions are required to believe people have fundamentally changed. I haven't seen or heard of his actions demonstrating a change.
AloeVera
(4,349 posts)One anonymous "acquaintance" told this to Jewish Insider but was not willing to go on record due to the "sensitive nature" of the issue. Lol. This acquaintance sure has a sharp memory of what was said during those booze-filled nights by someone who was not even a friend, at a bar, over a decade ago. 'MmmOK.
And Politico ran with this "journalism" without any independent verification.
The knives are out for Platner, clearly.
mr715
(3,971 posts)Much sharper than the knives coming out for Platner.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,227 posts)While I did resist the lure of the tattoo gods, I certainly held up my end of the drunk stupidity thing...........
Ritabert
(2,555 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)Ritabert
(2,555 posts)sop
(19,097 posts)PatrickforB
(15,497 posts)sop
(19,097 posts)Warner, King, Shaheen, Hassan and Fetterman have the worst "progressive" voting scores among Democratic senators. Of these five senators, Fetterman is the only one representing a "swing state."
I suspect Fetterman receives so much vitriol from progressive Democrats because he publicly supports Trump on a number of very unpopular issues, and he seems to enjoy doing so. He also ran as a much more progressive candidate, so voters feel betrayed.
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate
Ritabert
(2,555 posts)She's a citizen now but who knows?
mr715
(3,971 posts)And there are stories that his wife is pissed and worried about his statements.
sheshe2
(98,155 posts)He tends to vote with D's from time to time but he is NOT a Democrat.
mr715
(3,971 posts)I think it is Dan Osborne who said he would caucus with neither the Democrats nor the Republicans, and be an independent.
What does that mean for votes for leadership?
Do you suspect such an independent would vote, independently, for a Democrat or a Republican and then not be part of the caucus? Or would such a person abstain from voting for leadership in the first place? Or would they, by virtue of their "independence", make a claim for leadership itself?
Then the political question of it is the former, are they not a de facto Democrat a la Bernie Sanders or Angus King?
I would appreciate your learned insight.
sheshe2
(98,155 posts)You will see that Sanders votes more often with Dems than King.
I am happy to say that my two Senators are at the top of the list!
As for your question
I would say no; they are not a defacto Democrat otherwise they would run as one for their Senate seat. My guess is they do not wish to be tied to a single party and therefore claim their independence of said title.
mr715
(3,971 posts)Thank you for this chart. It is the type of thing I find very interesting. I love simple hierarchies and lists.
Both Sanders and King caucus with the Democrats, though.
What if an independent was not a member of a caucus? People have explicitly run for election promising to caucus with neither party. Do you think that means they would vote for no leader? Or themselves?
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,420 posts)betsuni
(29,211 posts)Us vs Them. THEY are lying to you!!!! It is a diabolical conspiracy.
Skittles
(172,445 posts)yeah OK
Fiendish Thingy
(23,777 posts)Emile
(42,952 posts)are the ones giving Platner a purity test.
mr715
(3,971 posts)It is a buzzword that is arbitrarily applied to support Democratic leadership when it does something problematic and to undermine populist candidates when they speak to the party.
I am not looking for a prophet. I am looking for a vote for Majority Leader.
Fil1957
(803 posts)Concerned Collins. If would be nice if the Democratic establishment would read the room, understand the moment and strongly support him.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,698 posts)there's no mention of his posts admonishing women to watch their alcohol consumption or risk getting raped.
Or, probably not shocking at all.
QueerDuck
(1,910 posts)... when he posted it. Now that hardly qualifies as an angsty/rebellious teen's words... nor is it a "youthful" indiscreet comment... nor is it or blurting something out in a drunken bullshitting session with friends at the bar. He had time to think and type and know that the words were being published and out there for the world to see. --- Sigh. I'm with Maya Angelou on this... I believe who people are the first time they show me.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)Thank you!
I agree that people should be believed the first time they tell you who they are. But I also believe they can change (not excusing behavior but acknowledging their potential for growth).
I also dont believe this is the first time he told us who he is. He made clear to the world in his announcement that he is a fairly belligerent, bad mouthed no filter Marine veteran with many regrets who still makes mistakes. His reddit comments reflect that he is still capable of making the same mistakes, but also that he has had time to reflect and grow so that his mistakes are more likely to be new and not old. (That being said his views on anti racism as part of this growth and DEI are probably quite important. If you find me anywhere that shows he has recently in the last year tried to popularize himself off anti DEI fervor, I will still support him in my mind for a Democratic Senate but not give a penny to his campaign).
I respect anybody who is legitimately concerned about his behavior, but also know that the current stakes in November are far too high to let that get in the way of us winning the Senate back. I probably would have supported Mills if she didnt drop out, but that ship has sailed.
Thank you again for your very wise words!
niyad
(133,580 posts)because he had been a marine, and the comments were "mild". It was sickening.
mercuryblues
(16,493 posts)Skittles
(172,445 posts)as niyad pointed out, people are more outraged by his disgusting tats
Quiet Em
(2,977 posts)Nope.
RandomNumbers
(19,244 posts)I wish Maine Dems would NOT have elevated someone with his troubling flags ... but at this point they DID, and we need him to beat Collins.
Quiet Em
(2,977 posts)but that doesn't mean I have to accept or ignore all the horrible things he has said and done.
RandomNumbers
(19,244 posts)that you not amplify them with other people at this time.
If you agree he needs to win the election in November ... please understand that your words can have impacts beyond what you expect or intend.
I saw this play out in a terrible way between Clinton and Sanders in 2016. Maine is one Senate seat but we need every single one we can get this year. Even if the D is an imperfect human being - if he will vote for a Democrat as Senate Majority Leader - we need him.
Quiet Em
(2,977 posts)Maine is one of the two Senate seats we are most likely to flip. And I do get that Planter is more likely to vote correctly on all of the important legislation than the current occupant of the seat. The current occupant of that seat is also offensive, and she has done incredible harm and is completely unacceptable.
I don't plan to start threads here about Graham Platner, or actively campaign against him. Many Maine voters seem willing to look past his history, their prerogative to do so, but nobody was lied to. He is who he is.
But the voters get the final say and they haven't voted yet. Yes, Platner is very likely to win. But there are other Democrats on the ballot, David Costello is one. Look at the California Governor primary. I doubt there are many who would have told you that Xavier Becerra would be current favorite in the polls if you asked them a month ago. The primary is little over one month away. We should respect it and let it play out.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,698 posts)A whole lot can and probably will happen between now and June 9.
Emile
(42,952 posts)among likely voters.
It's time to get behind the leading democratic candidate, and stop tearing him down. This seat is too important to screw up.
mr715
(3,971 posts)The primary isn't over.
Surely there is some way for Janet Mills to win. After all, the primary isn't over.
I mean if Costello throws his support to Janet Mills... and then finds 10 others to do it, they'll have 44%.
Then, all they need to do is find 2%! Then, they are within striking distance!
I mean, after all, the primary isn't over.
THE PRIMARY ISN'T OVER!!!!!
Come on, Mainers. Figure out a way to overcome the tyranny of math.
Maybe if we throw around the term "purity test" a few times we can bend the laws of reality to undermind the will of Maine democrats.
After all, we wouldn't want to look like fools on this forum.
Quiet Em
(2,977 posts)Go ahead and write a letter to Maine and tell them to cancel the primary if that's how you feel.
Go ahead and tell the Maine voters their primary is over so there's no sense in voting.
Go ahead, I'm sure nobody will think you are foolish for suggesting this.
Graham Platner is very likely to be the Democratic nominee. You should not fear Maine voters participating in their primary election.
mr715
(3,971 posts)However, it appears that every elected Democrat is falling in line behind Platner.
The cope from some on this forum that he isn't going to be the nominee is absurd.
Primaries are good. We should have them.
When Platner wins 80% of the vote, will that make a difference to his detrators?
Quiet Em
(2,977 posts)I've been quite clear about that in this thread. Why that isn't good enough for you, I don't know.
mr715
(3,971 posts)You are not clutching your pearls and attempting to make me feel like a bad Democrat.
msongs
(74,046 posts)QueerDuck
(1,910 posts)usonian
(26,234 posts)Short version:
Graham Platner won because his campaign was centered on taking on oligarchy and fighting for the working people of Maine and the U.S.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221212664
Maybe people will wake up to the root cause of the world's woes .... the insane concentration of wealth among "The Epstein Class" of pigs.
Until then, there are high prices, a war that FartMan said he would never start, and so on.


Keep it simple!
bucolic_frolic
(55,593 posts)Trouble is you have to sort the messaging and discover who and what's behind it.
johnp3907
(4,328 posts)I canceled my subscription back then. Theyre dead to me.
swong19104
(646 posts)Someone I can have a beer with. I dont want someone I can relate to. I dont want someone who is charming, warm, friendly, whatever. I want someone who is learned, both academically and with resl-life experiences. Someone who isnt bought and paid for, and will never be. Someone who sees the bug picture and understands how all living beings have their place in the choir.
Martin Eden
(15,810 posts)Snippets without the broader context can paint a misleading picture.
Is he a fake, when comparing his rhetoric now to the totality of his previous writings?
Of course a candidate for office has to think carefully about what he says, but that applies to every single candidate ever, especially in this modern media era.
In any event, barring some huge unforseen development, Plantner will be the Democratic nominee.
We NEED that Senate seat.
Politicub
(12,335 posts)the army of paid trolls and bad actors who seek to divide Democrats (all Americans really).
THes an imperfect person as we are all. If we wont settle for less than perfection, were already fucked.
This is for everyone: Support Democrats up and down the ticket. Tune out the noise. And if you havent done so already, read the first half of the Mueller Report. It details how online groups were infiltrated and manipulated. Theres a reason why the republicans wanted to sink the report, and it didnt have to do with collusion.
Rob H.
(5,884 posts)QueerDuck
(1,910 posts)... blacks are bad tippers comments, or as recently as last month, using the R-word. I think that people are perfectly justified in being "upset" (your word) with him.
Thankfully, I've seen nobody in the "vote blue no matter who crowd" (again, your words) go so far as to advocate that people not-vote, or "leave it blank" or to vote "uncommitted"... so why would anyone take issue with, or make passive aggressive comments about a certain "crowd" having standards and expressing their disappointment and doubts.
Sympthsical
(11,070 posts)Denial: "No way he can win."
Anger: *gestures around*
Bargaining: "There are still other Democrats in the race!"
Depression: "Voters are poopyheads."
Acceptance: *passive aggressive comments for eternity - literally sometimes lasting over ten years*
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)Sympthsical
(11,070 posts)Because, as we get younger politicians from Millennials on down, we're going to have to start contending with the reality of social media histories. As a Xennial, I just barely edged out having my entire teens and 20s documented online. If anyone found my Reddit name right now, it is the most boring shit on earth, because I've been old enough to know better. If I don't want my boss to see it, it probably shouldn't be online.
People think it's 2014 for some reason. "Can you believe he said this thing in the past?"
Yeah. But, I dunno. I don't care. Voters don't care. Twitter isn't real life.
It just feels ancillary. "He had a bad tattoo!" Ok. Entrenched politicans have been skimming the system for decades. But that's fine. It's the tattoo I should get really worked about?
I just don't that much. It's not great. Platner's not my first pick. But when considering moral weight, the powerful have so much worse on their end of the scale that I'm not going to pretend to take a moral high ground. "Sure I support people who hire everyone and their uncle into nepotistic positions at tech companies, AI, and crypto while I take their donations and write legislation they can easily exploit. But have you seen the tattoo?"
People need to get real about some of this. Bad words, bad thoughts, dumb behavior vs. generational damage to the People.
I know which one I care about more.
SSJVegeta
(2,983 posts)And 100% agree.
And at this point he may be the difference between a democratic senate majority and pure fucking evil taking complete hold.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,698 posts)"He was young! And drunk! And in the military!"
2. He kept it for 18 years.
"He didn't know what it was!"
3. He's made racist comments.
"A long time ago!"
4. He made derogatory comment about mentally challenged people.
"Nobody's perfect!"
5. He said women should take responsibility for their rapes.
"Meh."
Then the scold: "Stop tearing him down with his own words and actions!"
SidneyR
(226 posts)I would f'n look it up. Call me crazy, but I'd be a bit curious.
mr715
(3,971 posts)Sympthsical
(11,070 posts)We have choices here. Not great ones, but there they are.
At the end of the day, which is worse in your world?
Do you want change or the same old shit?
Is someone who will keep the current system in place measurably better than a flawed person who sees it needs to change?
How many lives are worth outrage? How much change should be sacrificed for virtue?
The man hasn't committed any crimes near as I can tell.
And I'll just note without emphasis how many of the same people supercharged banging tables about Platner went to the mat for Swalwell right up to the point of it being virtually impossible to do so.
I'm just over this pretense. Completely.
mr715
(3,971 posts)Sympthsical
(11,070 posts)It's a purity of convenience. Invoked when useful, discarded when the true goals are being met.
I'm just so over it. I'll take someone with reform potential who's said shitty things over the entrenched incrementalists who don't mind if brown kids go to bed hungry if it means they get more donations and guaranteed re-election.
Every time. Not even a contest.
Honestly, not even a conversation at this point.
The performative is going to be the death of this party, I swear. Politics - where the policies are nice, but the splenetic is core.
mr715
(3,971 posts)It isn't purity. Its bias.
It is football.
My person isn't winning and the narrative has shifted, so we're gonna punt and call it a purity test. Wah wah wah.
I don't need purity, I need outcomes.
I don't want a messiah. I don't care if it is Hillary Rodham Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, or Barack Obama. I want outcomes. I want my representatives to advocate for policies in line with my ideology and my vision for governance.
I don't care what they say behind the scenes. I don't care if they believe in their heart of hearts what they say with their mouth of mouths. As long as they commit no crimes, abuse no one, and demonstrate basic humanity, they are nothing more than vehicles for policy outcomes.
I care that I get to be a part of a party that has an agenda that stops murder by Federal agents, that feeds kids in poverty, that protects the right for a woman to get an abortion (no hedging), that says the cancer in our politics is money, and that acknowledges genocide.
I also like being part of a party that is willing to embrace reality and not meekly look backward, in the hopes that some politics from a bygone era has returned from the dead and is catching up with the times.
There are those on this forum that assert that the desire for Democrats to be more forward thinking is a purity test, but when the electorate of a state demonstrate this point, all of a sudden it is perfectly fine to call into question the motivates of someone running under our banner.
It is immensely frustrating to read here the swarm and eye-rolling condescension when we are on the cusp of victory and we are browbeat into denying that a victory is, in fact, just a priori betrayal.
TL,DR - Demanding action from leadership isn't a purity test. Refusing to support a Democrat because of 'vibes' is.
mr715
(3,971 posts)But he didn't win yet.
But he's a misogynist, much worse than my man Swalwall.
Oh God he took off his shirt.
Oh God he beat a qualified woman that didn't want the job.
Oh no, I've clutched my pearls so much the clasp broke.
Skittles
(172,445 posts)yup......ugh
Nixie
(18,063 posts)I havent listened to all his statements, but that would be my question.
You ain't gonna get that explanation.
RandomNumbers
(19,244 posts)He has since decided she's not, she's too conservative, not good for the people of Maine.
I am not in Maine and if I were in Maine he would not be my first choice. Even now, if I were voting in that primary - which will be by ranked choice voting - I would probably not rank him first. Over and above all the 'red flags' people have raised - he thought Collins was a moderate and that made her okay?
But I would a thousand times prefer Platner over returning Collins to the Senate.
Odds are extremely high that he will be the nominee. I think it's time to stop amplifying anything divisive he's done in the past (and I'm definitely not okay with certain comments he made, even more than the stupid drunk tattoo) - and talk about why he is better for Maine than Susan Collins. That said, if someone wants to REALLY see someone else win the primary - where are the posts about how great that Dem primary opponent is?
ThreeNoSeep
(318 posts)Anyone who knows Maine knows that (until the last ten years or so) it's neighbors in your dooryard over parties in Augusta. A lot, and I mean a lot, of Mainers would vote for Collins and Snowe because in their early years, those two delivered for the people of this state. When the Pukes started going overt fascist was when Snowe dropped out of politics and Collins finally revealed herself as the weak sauce "moderate" we've come to know.
Questionable sources are driving this pearl clutching and demands for answers that can never satisfy you. I've seen well known members of DU pass along right wing talking points and far right disinformation links to paint Platner negatively.
I've seen him talk in-person, and he will be fine.
We need to stop carrying water for the GOP.
eShirl
(20,359 posts)Emile
(42,952 posts)a real shot of getting rid of Collins, I hate to see us blow it. It's time to get behind the democratic candidate, and stop tearing him down.
thought crime
(1,745 posts)Every Senator with a 'D' next to their name gets Democrats closer to majority status.
Quanto Magnus
(1,366 posts)"This is, in fact, exactly what seems to be happening in the media coverage of his posts, in which Platner is simultaneously portrayed as both a bigoted, far-right reactionary, and a dangerous left-wing radical."
This is how the Guardians of Pedophiles have described those on the left for a long time. Just like the 'Fascist Communist' label.
KPN
(17,481 posts)been a great Senator as is Jeff Merkley, Oregon's other. I'm very lucky to have the two of them ... and more than happy to contribute to Platner if either of them support him. His election will be an improvement for Maine and good for America overall.
ecstatic
(35,128 posts)My attempt to learn:
Graham Platner, a 2026 Maine Democratic Senate candidate, faced significant controversy over past inflammatory Reddit posts and a Nazi-linked tattoo. While leading in polls and pushing a progressive, working-class platform that forced establishment candidates like Janet Mills to drop out, his past, including mocking sexual assault and denigrating police, created severe electability concerns for party leaders.
He has since apologized and secured the nomination, but his history continues to cause concern.
Platners mockery of sexual assault primarily involved victim-blaming comments and dismissiveness toward military reporting in a series of 2013 Reddit posts.
His most controversial statements include:
* Blaming Alcohol Consumption: In response to a thread about "anti-rape" shorts, Platner suggested victims should "take some responsibility for themselves" and not get so intoxicated that they "wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to".
* Dismissing Military Reporting Challenges: Platner downplayed the difficulty of reporting sexual assault in the military, calling anyone who believed the military purposefully covered up rape "an idiot".
* Use of Slurs: When another user suggested that units could easily "skirt" investigations, Platner responded by asking if they were "retarded" or "somewhat challenged".
* Skepticism of Systemic Issues: He characterized widespread concerns about military sexual assault as being fueled by people who "once watched 'Invisible War'" (a 2012 documentary on the subject) rather than reality.
Graham Platners denigration of police centered on aggressive social media rhetoric, most notably the use of the "ACAB" (All Cops Are Bastards) slogan and direct insults toward law enforcement leadership.
Specific Controversial Statements:
* "All of them in fact": In a 2021 Reddit thread discussing police misconduct and systemic corruption following the 2020 murder of George Floyd, a user posted "Bastards. Cops are bastards." Platner responded with, "All of them, in fact".
* "Fk these cops": He used this phrase in separate threads to express frustration with police violence.
* "Thin blue line trash": Platner criticized a police chief's attitude during a public event, labeling the officer's behavior as an example of "thin blue line trash".
Final question that I was cut off in the middle of asking but the AI knew where I was headed....?
There is no known evidence linking Graham Platner to extremist or white supremacist groups today. Recent investigations and reports confirm that while his past remains a central point of political attack, he has actively worked to distance himself from those symbols and ideologies.
## Current Evidence & Recent Events (20252026)
The controversy remains "current" due to ongoing political campaigns, but the evidence focuses on his past rather than current affiliations:
* Tattoo Removal/Cover-up: In October 2025, Platner publicly covered the "Totenkopf" tattoo with a new design of a Celtic knot and dogs.
* KFile Investigation (2025): A CNN KFile report uncovered deleted posts and an interview with an acquaintance suggesting Platner may have been aware of the symbol's controversial nature in military circles earlier than he claimed. However, this investigation highlighted past defensive comments rather than any current membership in extremist groups.
* Primary Victory (May 2026): As of late April 2026, Governor Janet Mills suspended her Senate campaign, effectively making Platner the Democratic nominee. This suggests that while leadership was initially wary, they are now coalescing around him for the general election.
## Endorsements and Defenses
* Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren: Both Senators Sanders and Warren have maintained their endorsements, with Warren stating she believes his apologies are sincere and reflect personal growth.
* Chris Van Hollen: The Maryland Senator defended Platner as a veteran who struggled with PTSD but has since "learned from his mistakes".
So based on that information, I see some contradictions in his character. On one hand, there's definitely an authoritarian mindset when it comes to the military sexual assault issue. His comments lacked compassion for women and automatically took the side of the institution. The comments about personal responsibility will probably resonate with a large percentage of the population, but both sentiments can be true: that the military systematically covered up or helped rapists and that some of the situations were avoidable.
However, his authoritarian mindset seems to slip away when it comes to the police - it seems he's able to clearly see and acknowledge the problems within that institution without qualifiers.
So this discrepancy could indicate a little bit (or a lot) of sexism or a lack of empathy with regard to others who face institutional oppression that he hasn't personally dealt with.
In my opinion, his mindset is more associated with conservative / republicans, so it does make me wonder why he's running as a Democrat. Is the republican machine so heavily invested in Collins, perhaps due to the purple nature of the state, that he didn't see a way in?
However, his endorsements from Bernie and E Warren are telling, as they both have personalities that are slightly outside of the personality types typically associated with our party. I really didn't like Warren in the beginning but then during tRump's first presidency, she came to the forefront as a leader and I was able to see how those characteristics play out when we're at war. She's a fighter! We are many things, I believe we are the smarter group, but a lot of times the fight just isn't there due to our wiring.
I don't live in Maine, but at this point, our hands are a little tied. He is the nominee, and he might bring the type of change that we need at a time like this. I say, vote for him because Collins is clearly compromised and we know that. Platner is the unknown, obviously. Hopefully, he's not worse. I guess we'll have to see.
LAS14
(15,531 posts)duckworth969
(1,397 posts)Talking smack about him does NOTHING for a win for us.
Start a write-in if him being the candidate displeases you.
But raising the negative same-o same-o points does nothing except allow you to rant.
If losing is important to you, by all means keep shooting yourself in the foot.
mr715
(3,971 posts)Then we'd get to validate the idea that running a people-based campaign with bold, transformative rhetoric is DOA
We should've gone with the candidate the Schumer had to twist arm into the race and accept her low energy, uninspired, complacent, incrementalist, campaign-via-Zoom that was the alternative.
If we win, Platner is a priori a plant, a nascent Fetterman, a racist, ableist, misogynist.
If we lose, it was because of those pesky voters couldn't handle an a priori plant, a nascent Fetterman, a racist, ableist, misogynist.
I prefer a third option, where we WIN this election and judge Mr. Graham Platner on his virtues and sins as a Senator. His (virtual) victory in the primary is his baptism. He is without political sin vs. Susan Collins.
That does not mean do not criticize. If he does something shitty, call him out. But for the love of all that is holy, stop litigating the past. It didn't work. Maybe his gross positions are part of his appeal and we should make peace with it, as long as he votes to cut billionaires off at the knees.
gay texan
(3,244 posts)I had no idea things like this ever occurred?????? I'm shocked, shocked i tells ya!