But get it. I don’t like going to foreign countries and have to say that I didn’t vote for our idiot.

Don’t know enough about Israel election structure to condemn all, but have zero qualms about calling Bibi a war criminal.

I have seen it first hand among people I know.

has turned the world's support for Israel after Oct. 7th now into blame for the cruelty, destruction, and needless war.

To take lands within their own borders and Middle Eastern lands beyond their borders to construct Israeli hegemony over the area for decades to come.

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What comprises the Greater Israel Plan of expansion - where, how, and why.

"A Greater Israel" (Eretz Yisrael Hashlema) is a controversial, long-standing Zionist vision for a state extending beyond current borders, potentially covering Palestine, Jordan, and parts of Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq. While once considered fringe, this ideology is now increasingly mainstreamed by far-right figures in the current Israeli government and moves to expand settlements.
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Core Aspects of the "Greater Israel" Concept:
Territorial Vision: Often described as spanning from the Euphrates in Iraq to the Nile in Egypt, or encompassing both sides of the Jordan River.
Ideological Origins: Rooted in Zionist ideology developed by figures such as Theodor Herzl and Ze'ev Jabotinsky, sometimes linked to biblical interpretations of promised land.

Modern Pursuit: The current Netanyahu government is accused of making territorial expansion central to its policies, with some leaders openly calling for the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza.
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Methods of Expansion:
Settlement Expansion: Continued construction of Israeli settlements and outposts in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Military Occupation: Seizure of land through conflict, including the Golan Heights, and ongoing military operations in Gaza and southern Syria.
Annexation and Buffer Zones: Creating "security zones" or annexing territories, often presented as temporary measures that become permanent, such as in the Syrian Golan Heights and, more recently, parts of southern Syria.
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Regional and Political Implications:
Displacement: Critics cite the displacement of Palestinians and potential for further ethnic cleansing to create a larger Jewish majority.
Regional Conflict: Attempts to build this entity are viewed as a driver of instability, aiming to weaken neighboring Arab states.
Undefined Borders: Israel has never formally defined its final borders, which allows for continued territorial expansion.
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And Pastor Huckabee is there to cheer the death march on into the dark oblivion of KKKrishtun Fascism. Why Mike Huckabee was assigned by djt to be US Ambassador to Israel to inch us further in that direction.

the actions of Israel is simply an excuse to try and justify their hatred

The antisemites feel free to be more open about it now.

the better question is what action of Israel justifies antisemitism?

How about unchecked settler violence? We see videos of roving bands of men wearing yarmulkes committing acts of violence, and stealing land, while the Israeli soldiers stand by and watch.

This is terrorism by some Jewish people, but not "the Jewish people" who pay the price in more subtle ways.

But, the big war crimes are committed by the Israeli government.

The next generation of antisemitism is being created now, based on actual current events.

Or would there be an outcry that the actions of a country do not represent all the people of the same religion?

No one would ever talk about 'The next generation of Islamophobia'

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Every terrorist act publicized as being caused by Arabs or Muslims contributes to the general Islamophobia.

The pinnacle examples are the events of Sept 11 and Oct 7.

Unfortunately, the actions of Netanyahu and settlers show that Israelis can be as vicious as their neighbors.

>> Or would there be an outcry that the actions of a country do not represent all the people of the same religion?

We are not speaking about rational sentiments and actions.

The question asked by the OP is essentially, what makes antisemitism worse? The answer - actions by Jewish people and the Israeli government.

What makes it better? That's a much harder question. Perhaps only time and good publicity.

What will eliminate it? Nothing short of a major alien invasion that forces us all to band together.

in a manner I never thought possible.

The anger is not at Jews but against the Likud version of Zionism, Christian Zionists, and those that gain by giving support.

The anger and rejection of AIPAC is because AIPAC is a right wing, violent, pro-Greater Israel and pro-Likud organization.

There should be a left-leaning Israeli and American PAC to counter AIPAC, a PAC that favors peace and fairness.

The intent of the present State of Israel is transparent, violent and contrary to what were established international norms and institutions.

Trump was elected POTUS because of Isreal. Trump is the best POTUS ever to Netanyahu and too many Israelis, American Jews, Christian Nationalists and billionaires feasting on the riches of war and disaster capitalism. Biden, Harris and the Democratic party were for a two-state solution and an end to the violence.

American spending for Israel is way out of proportion.

Israel is an apartheid state that is busy with violent ethnic cleansing. Much of the World believes this, not because they are antisemitic, but because they don't like apartheid and ethnic cleansing in general, not just in Israel.

The situation gives free rein for those that are actually Jew haters.

"We have heard the voices of neocons, and right-of-center Jewish leaders and Christian evangelicals, and the mainstream views of the American Jewish community have not been heard."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Street

https://jstreetpac.org/

My own answers are Yes, then No.

Same applies to Netanyahu and Israel.

Calling opponents of the Netanyahu administration antisemitic is no more valid than calling opponents of the Trump administration anti-American.

Which is not to say there is no hatred of Jews and Israel in America, Europe, and elsewhere. In fact, it can be credibly asserted that antisemitism is on the rise.

In my view, all hatred based on race and/or religion is ignorant, irrational, and the root of atrocities throughout history. It must be condemned wherever and whenever it raises its ugly head.

So too must governments or any entities that commit atrocities against civilian populations be condemned.

It is not always easy to draw the line between justified self defense and wanton slaughter stemming from hatred or conquest, but as human beings who desire peace and justice in this troubled world it is necessary to draw that line.

I can condemn the Netanyahu government and also condemn antisemitism in the same sentence without contradicting myself.

Israel doesn't matter so long as he can continue rule over a Greater Israel.
At first, he was just a well off Muslim hating right wing corrupt politician with local mob ties.
Now he's a rather deluded well off Mobster politician under indictment who hates Muslims, but uses conflict with them to stave off a trial and hold onto power.
He doesn't care who dies - Arabs, Jews, Palestinians, Druze, civilians, military...
All that matters is that he stays in power, out of jail and keeps making bank off investments and other benefits with his fellow mobster type "business partners"

Netanyahu can suck, the actions of the current Israeli government can suck, and you can avoid being antisemitic. If you let anger or even hatred of a part of a group cause you to hate the entire group, that's a thing you need to address within yourself. Maybe go to therapy or something.

Some people can't. Some people won't. By definition, antisemitism is irrational. It's still going to be a real problem in the future.

>> Maybe go to therapy or something.

The people who express such prejudice are not going to go to therapy over it.

The Netanyahu regime is clearly making it worse for Jews worldwide.

Just like it's a choice to be a racist or sexist or homophobic.

Just because some act is irrational doesn't mean you need to give into it. It's not schizophrenia. Robert Byrd among others learned to reject the klan. Men have walked away from the red pill/incel movement.

I'm sure most of them won't go to therapy. A lot of the people who desperately need therapy won't go.

No pass granted. I can hate plenty of groups based on the actions of a few. If it's OK now, I missed the memo.

Past antisemitic sentiments were largely based on distorted stereotyping of Jews and scapegoating for society's woes.

Future anti-Jewish sentiments and acts of terrorism are being fueled by Israeli aggression against its neighbors and videos of settler violence.

for the policies such as West Bank settlements, and obliterating Gaza and now turning these tactics to Lebanon.
Protesting atrocities is not equal to antisemitism. I think this keeps getting conflated as one and the same.

Crazies on the far right and far left may be antisemites, however those protesting for Palestinian rights and being against war crimes does not an antisemite make.

Count me as one who supports Jews and Israels right to exist while at the same time opposes how Netanyahu has conducted his attacks on Gaza, allowed the West Bank violence, and now add Lebanon to the list.

Or that guy in Boulder throwing fire bombs at a Jewish gathering. It's not just people using antisemitism as a shield from criticism. Obviously that happens, and it shouldn't, but neither should denying antisemitism.

However, opposing the criminal, racist, genocidal, Netanyahu and the current Israeli governing body, especially scum like Smotrich, IS NOT antisemitism. Just like opposing Trump isn't anti-christian or anti-american.

I support the regular people of Israel. The ones who oppose what their government has done in Gaza and now Lebanon. I have to think that makes up the vast majority of the people. Just like we here oppose our criminal government in power now.

unfortunately, many people can't separate Israel from Jews outside of Israel.

I think there are a lot of people not against the jewish nation or religion but don’t support what Bibi is doing. I think that is where I am now.

can't they find a better leader.........

Once upon a time I had respect for Israel and the Mussad. No longer. Now I see their government as being every bit as corrupt as our own.

People wrongly conflate Jews the world over with the Israeli government. Antismestism itself is an irrational age old pathological hatred, but recent actions by Israel make bigots justify their hatred easier.

Bibi, Likud, the settlers, and their supporters know this but proceed anyways.

It’s not just the Middle East violence causing this though. Given Epstein’s social circles, this has also likely led to increased antisemitism recently. I’m certainly seeing an uptick in the “jews own the media” trope recently in Reddit and other online communities.

anti-Israel just like T is making people more anti-American.

It’s tough paying taxes this week, knowing how much $$
is going to the war machine of both countries.

Anti-Semites are bigots. Full stop. Blaming "Bibi" or Israel is a cop-out.

People already anti-Semitic are given more ammo to use to convince and recruit new people to their cause. For the young person seeing what the RW in Israel is doing makes them more susceptible to the tropes of the anti semitic groups. It makes them more likely to repeat smears. More likely to join groups that are actively anti semitic(AS) More likely to hold AS views as the grow older. And once those views are established it is harder to get people to change. What the RW in Israel, and the government in Israel is doing is evil. What was done on 10/7 was evil. And evil alway creates more hate. It is also self defeating. The view of Israel is much worse in the US and world today because of the actions of the Israel government. The dream of the RW in Israel is to ethically cleanse the west bank and Giza. And they are actively trying to do that. And that is evil. And when you do evil, or suppose evil, Or are thought to be supporting evil people think less of you. And people in general do not make the distinction between a Jewish person, Israel, the RW in Israel, the government in Israel.etc. For many it is just ‘the Jews’. It is not fair, not right, not rational, not right. But for many it is how the thought process goes. So heck of a Job Bibi.

You cannot kill 72,000 people in Gaza, continue to slaughter people there, in Lebanon, the West Bank and Iran and expect support from civilized people.
At this point, Israel is an out of control terrorist state supported by the US and others. The victims is now the abuser.

DU a few times, unfortunately), people (far too often and certianly not at all limited to just Rethugs/MAGAt-types, etc) try and claim that any criticism of Israel, its government, and/or some or all of its individual leaders is automatically antisemitic. That claim is a giant pile of shite.

It’s two separate things. BiBi is a madman and he has the country in a state where they approve genocide and violence. And now they’ve dragged the US into a war on their behalf. I am against all of this regardless of what religion people in Israel have. And these wars and genocide aren’t a reflection in Judaism globally IMO.

And further than I would go, but some people who don’t think Israel should exist are not necessarily being antisemitic either. They simply think they stole that land from people who were previously living there and that stealing land is wrong. I think that part is really complicated.

And his apologists and defenders are happy to follow suit:

Orrex: Maybe Bibi could stop murdering Palestinian civilians by the thousand.

Apologist (scoffs): Enough with your antisemitic attacks already!

Not sure if that equates directly with antisemitism, but I'm sure he'd use that as a stick with which to bludgeon his critics.

I think the majority of the world are asking; "where are the better angels in Israel and America that we keep hearing about. and when the fuck are they going to show up and do something?"

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Jewphobia is like a virus. Its spike protein attaches to "foolishness and envy receptors," receptors very common in the human race. The virtuous are, essentially, immune to it.

I have a young relative who visited Israel with his probable wife to be and they cannot get home due to travel restrictions. But I feel like they were so out of touch with the current situation to be going there in the first place, like it has nothing to do with them. I am appalled at that

Reconsider travel due to terrorism, and civil unrest.

The security situation in Israel, including Tel Aviv and Jerusalem is unpredictable, and U.S. citizens are reminded to remain vigilant and take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness as security incidents, including mortar and rocket fire and armed UAV intrusions and missiles, can take place without warning.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/israel-west-bank-and-gaza-travel-advisory.html

… against Israel. Right now they are seizing the land of Southern Lebanon and soon they will be moving
in thousands of more Jewish Settlers for security reasons. Israel has yet to do anything to make it right
to the Palestinians whose homeland was destroyed by the creation of the state of Israel.

And Israel’s using what they know about Trump as blackmail to start this totally un-winnable war
with Iran has made me rethink any support of the existence of the State of Israel. This not about
anti semitism on my part but right vs wrong.

"...turning people MORE anti-Semitic...." Not, "turning MORE people anti-Semitic."

As some noted above, criticism of Bibi, his far right compatriots, of events in the West Bank, Gaza, the Iran War, Lebanon.......

do not equate to anti-Semitism, in spite of arguments (insistence?) by some, to the contrary. Like stated above, it's a matter of right or wrong.

Though I do think it's a notion that Bibi (and co.) have seen fit to use to his advantage.