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orangecrush

(30,699 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:10 PM Apr 11

Is Swalwell being rat fucked? (Poll)


Don't have enough information to take a hard side, but the timing seems suspicious.

If true, he should own this

If not, we are being Frankened again.


299 votes, 9 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes, this is the same Roger Stone play book
73 (24%)
No, he should leave politics completely
42 (14%)
Not enough information to call
184 (62%)
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Is Swalwell being rat fucked? (Poll) (Original Post) orangecrush Apr 11 OP
Food for thought... ultralite001 Apr 11 #1
Option 5: Did he ratfuck himself? leftstreet Apr 11 #2
If he and his wife made nice after whatever it was he did Attilatheblond Apr 11 #7
He's still in the House. Wiz Imp Apr 11 #52
Short timer, so not really still in Attilatheblond Apr 11 #54
Huh? Every member of the House is only currently serving through the end of the year. Wiz Imp Apr 12 #72
He's not every member of the house. He's a guy who screwed up big time and will be out of politics altogether soon. Attilatheblond Apr 12 #78
Sheesh. And until then, he is still a member of the House of Representatives. Wiz Imp Apr 12 #82
You seem to be shadow boxing for no particular reason. I don't disagree that he is still in the House but he's DONE Attilatheblond Apr 12 #84
Wow. You started by saying Wiz Imp Apr 12 #85
No, this goes to judgement, which he showed very little of!! He put himself in the position to be blackmailed, Pisces Apr 11 #57
Option 6: When this shit comes up in the middle of a campaign, we should be very skeptical Bluetus Apr 11 #9
"this shit." You mean like rape? leftstreet Apr 11 #10
No. I mean like character assassination Bluetus Apr 11 #14
"This is obviously not about a rape." I...would not say that's obvious. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #16
I understand there are reasons people don't like to speak up. Bluetus Apr 11 #29
"They have had nine years to speak up and they chose this particular moment to bring a charge?" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #34
You are seriously asking a question regarding why sexual assault is (commonly/frequently) not reported? stopdiggin Apr 11 #19
Don't be a reactionary, putting words in my mouth. Bluetus Apr 11 #30
At least one of the alleged assaults was in 2024. nt pnwmom Apr 11 #44
He is being investigated by the Manhattan District Attorney's office DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #50
Sigh n/t leftstreet Apr 11 #20
He allegedly sent unsolicited dick picks DemocratSinceBirth Apr 11 #39
If true, that should be disqualifying Bluetus Apr 11 #46
Snapchat deletes messages so no EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #60
There are some related facts that appear to have been corroborated. pnwmom Apr 11 #43
Jean Carroll didn't bring up her being assaulted until years lster onenote Apr 11 #47
And that weighed heavily against her charges Bluetus Apr 11 #48
Christine Blasey Ford tulipsandroses Apr 11 #32
Not enough info MustLoveBeagles Apr 11 #3
Yeah. What a coincidence!! FoxNewsSucks Apr 11 #6
Maybe his ego has been getting the best of him. n/t pnwmom Apr 12 #63
That's possible MustLoveBeagles Apr 12 #67
Not enough VERIFIED info yet. FoxNewsSucks Apr 11 #4
Read more if you want to see more corroboration. It's out there. pnwmom Apr 12 #66
Mr Swalwell knows what he did and didn't do mike_c Apr 11 #5
I have no idea PATRICK Apr 11 #8
Can't be sure. I always take such allegations seriously mvd Apr 11 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 11 #12
I am suspicious of the timing mcar Apr 11 #13
"The timing seems suspicious" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #15
Excellent point SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #17
I'm leaning to No. But not enough information yet. RandomNumbers Apr 11 #18
there are people with inside knowledge (within his own campaign?) that appear to be stopdiggin Apr 11 #22
Hey DU peeps who are smarter than me re the internets. I caught a brief statement supposedly made by Roger Stone Ninga Apr 11 #21
Because journalists were reporting out the allegations. It takes weeks to months to nail a story like this down, and it WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #23
Ok I understand. Appreciate your response. I still Ninga Apr 11 #26
better now than after the primary WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #27
It was being posted by people on Instagram for a prolonged period EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #61
Roger Stone also seems to have "Democratic insider info". LeftInTX Apr 12 #80
I don't know but I do think the response should be to look into JI7 Apr 11 #24
You need an option for "He should drop out of the Governor's race, but stay in his Congressional seat until... LudwigPastorius Apr 11 #25
I would like to see some evidence released pinkstarburst Apr 11 #28
Absofuckingloutely! He was very vocal against slob post 1/6 & beyond. SheltieLover Apr 11 #31
Throw him off the bus. Let his next potential employer figure it out. hunter Apr 11 #33
Im just curious on those believing this is a set up - have you read the SF Cheonicle and/or CNN reporting Nanjeanne Apr 11 #35
Swalwell has a sterling record. Kid Berwyn Apr 11 #36
Does he? Fiendish Thingy Apr 11 #42
He did that in the open. Kid Berwyn Apr 11 #45
1.) Al Franken Was About A Photo. 2.) Eric's Defense Is 2-Fold:..... ColoringFool Apr 11 #37
You are wrong about Franken 8 different women accused him EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author standingtall Apr 12 #70
Serious allegations. Skepticism warranted. Bobstandard Apr 11 #38
I want to hear the allegations made under oath. orangecrush Apr 11 #59
The timing makes me suspicious Orangenero Apr 11 #40
To believe this is ratfuckery is to suspend reality Fiendish Thingy Apr 11 #41
Fiendish Thingy mr715 Apr 11 #51
Tom Steyer is a billionaire TexasBushwhacker Apr 11 #53
I'm not pointing fingers Fiendish Thingy Apr 11 #56
If it's not ratfucking, the accusers should go to the authorities rather than the media. W_HAMILTON Apr 11 #49
Double standard? onenote Apr 11 #55
It's not a double standard. Then statute of limitations had expired and it was pre-Me Too. W_HAMILTON Apr 11 #58
Some of the SOL's are only 5 years, and it takes victims time to emotionally process these things. pnwmom Apr 12 #65
Except they've gone to CNN -- surely they can go to the police. W_HAMILTON Apr 12 #73
They did go to the police DemocratSinceBirth Apr 12 #79
Not true. He opened up the investigation based on the news reports. W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #88
It sounds like you believe that staying silent or going to the police are the only two options for someone who's WhiskeyGrinder Apr 13 #90
I believe that if you are willing to tell your story to the media about your alleged sexual assault... W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #93
. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 13 #96
Easy for a man to say. nt pnwmom Apr 12 #64
It ain't just men asking why they can go to CNN but not the police. W_HAMILTON Apr 12 #74
The patriarchy harms everyone EdmondDantes_ Apr 12 #81
They didn't go to CNN. CNN went to them. And Manhattan prosecutors pnwmom Apr 12 #86
Because of the reporting -- not because the accusers went to them. W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #89
You are assuming that, but it's not being reported when or in response to what pnwmom Apr 13 #92
You can tell from the comments made when the investigation was opened. W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #94
That's what you gleaned from the comments, but I didn't. And it really doesn't matter. pnwmom Apr 13 #98
The original victim didn't go to authorities because she didn't think they'd believe her. And the media came to her. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 12 #71
Well, it sure looks like lots believe her snd support her, so now she should go to the police. W_HAMILTON Apr 12 #75
The Manhattan DA has opened an investigation, so she may have. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 12 #76
No, the investigation was opened because of the reporting, hence why they are asking people to come forward. W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #91
. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 13 #95
Yes, but these accusers did come forward. W_HAMILTON Apr 13 #97
damn victims Cirsium Apr 12 #77
The Manhattan prosecutors office IS investigating. nt pnwmom Apr 12 #87
I don't know. hamsterjill Apr 12 #68
I think it's to distract from the Melania thing. LeftInTX Apr 12 #69
He's toast. underpants Apr 12 #83
Yup orangecrush Apr 14 #100
With the amount of money available for campaigns, lees1975 Apr 14 #99
I love how women are not to be believed. Jirel Apr 14 #101

leftstreet

(41,079 posts)
2. Option 5: Did he ratfuck himself?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:16 PM
Apr 11

Did he plan and coordinate a campaign for Governor without once asking himself, "uh...is there anything in my past...?"

Extra marital affairs are risky enough to be a red flag to yourself

Attilatheblond

(9,071 posts)
7. If he and his wife made nice after whatever it was he did
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:27 PM
Apr 11

then whatever he did probably wasn't nice.

Loved him in the House. He was effective in his way and should have stayed put.

Wiz Imp

(10,193 posts)
72. Huh? Every member of the House is only currently serving through the end of the year.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 08:51 AM
Apr 12

He's no more a short-timer than any other member of the House. He will continue to vote on legislation all year. He is asolutely still a member of the House.

Attilatheblond

(9,071 posts)
78. He's not every member of the house. He's a guy who screwed up big time and will be out of politics altogether soon.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 12:32 PM
Apr 12

He is a short timer in politics.

Wiz Imp

(10,193 posts)
82. Sheesh. And until then, he is still a member of the House of Representatives.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 01:12 PM
Apr 12

That is a fact that cannot be changed by any of your convoluted reasoning.

Attilatheblond

(9,071 posts)
84. You seem to be shadow boxing for no particular reason. I don't disagree that he is still in the House but he's DONE
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 03:43 PM
Apr 12

We can't donate to him via Act Blue now. He will pretty much be a pariah on the Hill while he's still in office.

Have a good week.

Wiz Imp

(10,193 posts)
85. Wow. You started by saying
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 03:59 PM
Apr 12

"Loved him in the House. He was effective in his way and should have stayed put" Note you used past tense.

I then pointed out that he was still in the House (I didn't say anything else) and you started making all kinds of excuses to argue with my factual statement. I have no clue why you felt the need to argue with my factual statement but you clearly had a problem letting it go. I will always continue to point it out when someone tries to argue with my factual statements.


Pisces

(6,287 posts)
57. No, this goes to judgement, which he showed very little of!! He put himself in the position to be blackmailed,
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:02 PM
Apr 11

or exposed.

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
9. Option 6: When this shit comes up in the middle of a campaign, we should be very skeptical
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:42 PM
Apr 11

leftstreet

(41,079 posts)
10. "this shit." You mean like rape?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:47 PM
Apr 11

Sexual assault, sexual abuse, exploitation of an authority/power position for coercive control?

We're not talking about allegations of a dodgy mortgage or something

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
14. No. I mean like character assassination
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:58 PM
Apr 11

Anybody can make a charge. Everybody is entitled to a fair trial if the charges are seen to have any merit.

This is obviously not about a rape. If it was, then the charges should have been filed at the time. When they are brought up in an obvious attempt to alter the outcome of an election, we should all be very skeptical.

Why was this not brought up on 2019?

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
16. "This is obviously not about a rape." I...would not say that's obvious.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:03 PM
Apr 11
Everybody is entitled to a fair trial if the charges are seen to have any merit.
Party units and members are free to act without relying on court proceedings.

Why was this not brought up on 2019?
There are many, many reasons victims do not speak up in the moment, or tell only a few people.

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
29. I understand there are reasons people don't like to speak up.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:08 PM
Apr 11

But that does not seem to be the case here. They have had nine years to speak up and they chose this particular moment to bring a charge? Are they even asking for criminal charges or are they just trying to destroy the candidacy? When the timing is such it makes me highly skeptical.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
34. "They have had nine years to speak up and they chose this particular moment to bring a charge?"
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:19 PM
Apr 11

The first accuser has not brought a charge. The San Francisco Chronicle, which reported the original story, reached out to her first.

https://archive.ph/IDj4E

The Chronicle is not identifying the woman in this story in compliance with its policy against naming alleged victims of sexual assault. Reporters looking into the broader allegations against Swalwell reached her while contacting dozens of his former staffers.

The woman began speaking with a Chronicle reporter last month as she considered whether to make her allegations public. When rumors about Swalwell’s conduct began circulating online, the woman said she was confused because she had told only a small circle of family and close friends about what had happened to her. She said she was “petrified” that Swalwell had told people about their encounters or that her name had appeared in an opposition research file compiled by a rival campaign.

She said she called the Swalwell campaign in late March to find out whether her name had surfaced among rumored victims. A staffer on the campaign, she said, asked her to vouch for Swalwell.

She said the staffer asked her whether Swalwell had ever been inappropriate with her, and then, when she hesitated to answer, said, “Actually, I don’t want to know.” When the campaign staffer told her that Swalwell was not afraid of the rumors because he had not done anything inappropriate, the woman said she felt determined to speak out.

stopdiggin

(15,558 posts)
19. You are seriously asking a question regarding why sexual assault is (commonly/frequently) not reported?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:23 PM
Apr 11

Have you not been paying any attention - past 20-30 years?

You are quite within your rights to 'hold your fire' on this particular incident/set of accusations ...
But, really - THAT old canard .. ?

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
30. Don't be a reactionary, putting words in my mouth.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:10 PM
Apr 11

I said nothing of the sort. I simply said that when people have a choice to bring charges and they wait for 9 years and then spring the charges in the middle of a campaign, I am skeptical.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,938 posts)
50. He is being investigated by the Manhattan District Attorney's office
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:41 PM
Apr 11

That same office that successfully prosecuted Trump. It's highly unlikely they're in cahoots with MAGA. They also opened up a tip line for other alleged victims to come forward.

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
46. If true, that should be disqualifying
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 09:33 PM
Apr 11

But it does not answer the question why, if a person had this evidence (and receiving a dick pic means one has clear evidence in their possession), this was not brought out when it happened.

That suggests:
1) the evidence was fake -- you know there are a lot of fake pictures these days
2) it wasn't unwelcome at the time
3) the recipient decided rather than taking immediate action, they would rather save this for a time that could do more damage.

If it is #3, that is not the way our justice system is supposed to work. That would be a variation of WEAPONIZING the justice system.

There are many real cases of sexual abuse against women. When a person seems to be using charges for political reasons rather than for justice for the original crime, this makes it harder for women who are truly violated to get their justice.

EdmondDantes_

(1,964 posts)
60. Snapchat deletes messages so no
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:29 PM
Apr 11

This isn't weaponizing the justice system any more than E Jean Carroll or Christine Blasey Ford did in waiting to tell their stories.

pnwmom

(110,305 posts)
43. There are some related facts that appear to have been corroborated.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 06:24 PM
Apr 11

For example, at least one of the accusers did work for him. And there is more:

CNN found corroboration for key elements of each of the women’s claims, including the former staffer who said she was sexually assaulted. Two family members and a friend said in interviews with CNN that she told them about the alleged 2024 assault in the following days, and CNN also reviewed text messages she sent two friends describing her allegations at the same time. “I was sexually assaulted on Thursday,” she wrote to one of her friends, adding: “By Eric.”

The woman also shared medical records related to her receiving STD and pregnancy testing after the alleged assault.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/10/us/eric-swalwell-sexual-misconduct-allegations-invs

onenote

(46,189 posts)
47. Jean Carroll didn't bring up her being assaulted until years lster
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 09:57 PM
Apr 11

Were you skeptical of her charges when they were made?

Bluetus

(2,963 posts)
48. And that weighed heavily against her charges
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:30 PM
Apr 11

We all understand that there are strong reasons why women do not come forward, especially when a powerful person is involved.

By the same token, it is fair to ask why the claims were not brought out at the time and are now brought out when this is certain to affect the gubernatorial election.

Rather than torches and pitchforks, we should all be asking for evidence from both sides.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,811 posts)
4. Not enough VERIFIED info yet.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:17 PM
Apr 11

This style of ratfucking seems to be the most effective for them and unfortunately, their practice has paid off and made them good at it.

mike_c

(37,078 posts)
5. Mr Swalwell knows what he did and didn't do
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:18 PM
Apr 11

If the allegations are true, then he knows it. In that case, what do YOU think he should do? I think finding another line of work would certainly be an honorable choice, under those circumstances. I would hope he does so voluntarily, with promises to be a better person in future, hopefully sincere.

If they're not true, he knows that too, and should mount a vigorous defense. However, we should acknowledge that the accusations will still reduce his chances of winning even if he's innocent. That's an unfortunate fact of life.

On edit: What leftstreet said, #2.

Edit 2: and if the allegations are true, we should be glad they emerged now, rather than after he was anointed the Dem candidate.

PATRICK

(12,407 posts)
8. I have no idea
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:35 PM
Apr 11

except it has been suggested to me that the Democratic leadership(?) would rather have a Republican win than certain Dem candidate(s). This does not seem to have come up in any discussions. Hope this notion is completely false.

mvd

(65,934 posts)
11. Can't be sure. I always take such allegations seriously
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:50 PM
Apr 11

But after Franken, I know RW shenanigans exist. I’ll leave it up to people more in the know to decide.

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
15. "The timing seems suspicious"
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 03:59 PM
Apr 11

Victims in cases like these will often come forward when they see that someone they know as a predator or pest is about to get even more power. It's why Christine Blasey Ford came forward, and why Anita Hill agreed to testify.

RandomNumbers

(19,217 posts)
18. I'm leaning to No. But not enough information yet.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:21 PM
Apr 11

The situations described either are, or are not, like situations he is known to get into by his staff and colleagues. By "situations" I refer to the drinking with staffers until they are plastered ... and not making sure they are safely home (as opposed to winding up in bed with some guy they didn't necessarily want to be with, especially in that state).

It's pretty simple, really. He either acts that kind of way, or he doesn't. It's freakin' hard to believe that this type of behavior - short of the sexual aspects - wouldn't be known, if he is like that.

If he IS like that, frankly I don't want him on the Dem ticket in any new election. It's not proper behavior for an adult who is a position of public responsibility. This behavior alone - even if nothing sexual actually happened - would open him up to EXACTLY the accusations he's now facing.

And if he ISN'T like that - where are his colleagues and staff loudly asserting that? Instead I see staffers jumping ship. I think that speaks volumes ... but will wait to hear more. I am sure more is coming.

stopdiggin

(15,558 posts)
22. there are people with inside knowledge (within his own campaign?) that appear to be
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:30 PM
Apr 11

conceding to the fact that this fits a pattern ....
Which is what you are correctly pointing to.

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Ninga

(9,023 posts)
21. Hey DU peeps who are smarter than me re the internets. I caught a brief statement supposedly made by Roger Stone
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:28 PM
Apr 11

1 day ago on Alex Joneses program. Because I do no have X I couldn’t fin the entire post.

“Out of curiosity... Why did Roger Stone tell Alex Jones that Democratic ...

1 day agoOut of curiosity… Why did Roger Stone tell Alex Jones that Democratic House Rep. Eric Swalwell's "campaign will be blowing up today" hours before the release of the San Francisco Chronicle article where an ex-staffer accuses Swalwell of sexually assaulting her (claims Swalwell denies)? Smells” snip

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
23. Because journalists were reporting out the allegations. It takes weeks to months to nail a story like this down, and it
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:46 PM
Apr 11

requires talking to a lot of people, many of whose names or even presence aren't even mentioned in the final article. Those people talk to other people, and word gets around. The first victim saw that rumors were going around so she called the campaign to see if her name was out there.

https://archive.ph/IDj4E


The woman began speaking with a Chronicle reporter last month as she considered whether to make her allegations public. When rumors about Swalwell’s conduct began circulating online, the woman said she was confused because she had told only a small circle of family and close friends about what had happened to her. She said she was “petrified” that Swalwell had told people about their encounters or that her name had appeared in an opposition research file compiled by a rival campaign.

She said she called the Swalwell campaign in late March to find out whether her name had surfaced among rumored victims. A staffer on the campaign, she said, asked her to vouch for Swalwell.

She said the staffer asked her whether Swalwell had ever been inappropriate with her, and then, when she hesitated to answer, said, “Actually, I don’t want to know.” When the campaign staffer told her that Swalwell was not afraid of the rumors because he had not done anything inappropriate, the woman said she felt determined to speak out.

“He was so confident that I would stay silent that he wasn’t scared,” she said of Swalwell.

Ninga

(9,023 posts)
26. Ok I understand. Appreciate your response. I still
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:58 PM
Apr 11

feel rather ill though….and will always wonder about the timing….

EdmondDantes_

(1,964 posts)
61. It was being posted by people on Instagram for a prolonged period
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:42 PM
Apr 11

Go look up Mrs Frazzled on social media. For example.

https://www.smobserved.com/story/2026/04/06/news/social-media-circulates-allegations-of-inappropriate-sexual-relationships-with-interns-ndas-involving-rep-eric-swalwell/9761.html

"The allegations appear to stem in part from earlier posts by the X/TikTok account @mrs.frazzled (also referenced as @ms_frazzled), who in mid-March 2026 claimed that "no less than a dozen people" had approached her with accounts of inappropriate relationships between Swalwell and young staffers."

Roger Stone isn't behind this, he's just capable of reading social media and having contacts in the media as it was known California newspapers were working on the story before it hit.

LeftInTX

(34,561 posts)
80. Roger Stone also seems to have "Democratic insider info".
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 12:42 PM
Apr 12

He's friends with Woodward and Bernstein. I wouldn't be surprised if he's friends and neighbors with more inside info.

I stumbled on a podcast of his in the summer of 2024. He said, "Biden is gonna drop out on Sunday and will address the nation". I thought BS. But he was right. He had insider info. I don't know where he gets it, but he had it. Sometimes people share with the other side. You would be surprised. Someone probably doesn't share directly with Stone, but they share with someone who knows him and it get backs to him.

JI7

(93,773 posts)
24. I don't know but I do think the response should be to look into
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:50 PM
Apr 11

the allegations and give the accused a chance to respond if they want.

I think our side immediately calling for resignations has hurt us .

The media went after Biden on that one accusation which was easily shown to be fake when it was proven he never even attended the event where it happened. Yhe media could have easily done the research on that but they didn't.

So do an investigation, ler info come out and let the accused present their side and let voters decide.

LudwigPastorius

(14,857 posts)
25. You need an option for "He should drop out of the Governor's race, but stay in his Congressional seat until...
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 04:57 PM
Apr 11

a full investigation has determined his culpability".

pinkstarburst

(2,063 posts)
28. I would like to see some evidence released
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:05 PM
Apr 11

If this is true, and it may very well be, they can surely release some text messages or something like that.

My concern is that we not set a precedent that there can be an accusation made and BOOM, the candidate drops out. Let's think this through. Right now it's our frontrunner for the governor of California. What happens 6 months from now when we only have one dem candidate in the running for CA governor (that could easily happen!) and there's mysteriously a round of accusations that happen right before voting starts, accusing our candidate. Do they drop out? Do we rush to drop support?

What happens when republicans learn from how quickly we will burn someone with zero evidence (it hasn't even been 24 hours) and decide this would be a cool trick to pull in our 2028 primary, taking out our frontrunner for president? They control most of the media now, and the billionaires are on their side, too. What happens when after they take out our frontrunner, and we get a nominee no one is excited about, they wait until October and release "damning information" about our nominee, that later turns out to be untrue, but it takes months to figure that out, and we are so quick to condemn that we've already lost?

I think we need to be careful, especially given what happened with Franken, not to get ahead of ourselves. I would like to see evidence.

hunter

(40,776 posts)
33. Throw him off the bus. Let his next potential employer figure it out.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:18 PM
Apr 11

I don't want him working for me.

We've all been rejected by potential employers for much, much, less -- even frivolous or random reasons...

This shit is serious. He needs to go away.

Franken arguments do not impress me either.

I'm not looking for any fucking heroes or celebrities..

Heck, if Cesar Chavez had been exposed immediately we might have ended up in a better place. Now we have to wonder if he was somehow compromised for thinking with his dick.

Zero tolerance for this kind of crap doesn't make Democrats losers, it's what distinguishes us from the modern Republican party.

If we can't win on a solid ethical platform, then fuck it all, this nation ain't worth saving.

Nanjeanne

(6,621 posts)
35. Im just curious on those believing this is a set up - have you read the SF Cheonicle and/or CNN reporting
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:23 PM
Apr 11

on the various allegations?

Do I know the whole story? By no means. But there is clearly at the very very very least, some very bad behavior on the part of Swalwell. And unfortunately it appears to be typical behavior of men in power positions preying on young women. And the responses of young women who become enamored of men they perceive of as being in positions of power. That women in their early 20s, who have gotten drunk with men who have some control over their careers, real or perceived, and then tell family and friends (as these women appear to have done) but do not come forward and claim rape to police is not unusual. And if they think they were the only one that this happened to — it is perfectly believable that they didn’t come forward earlier. These kinds of encounters would typically leave women feeling guilty, responsible and unsure of culpability. That’s how men are able to take advantage of these situations.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,515 posts)
42. Does he?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 06:18 PM
Apr 11

He’s been soliciting customers/investors for his AI campaign software startup company on Capitol Hill, despite the clear ethical conflict of interest.

Kid Berwyn

(24,747 posts)
45. He did that in the open.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 06:59 PM
Apr 11

Unlike so many in Congress.

ETA: Going by the shitstain billionaires currently running the show, it’d be good more Democrats to get into AI.

ColoringFool

(839 posts)
37. 1.) Al Franken Was About A Photo. 2.) Eric's Defense Is 2-Fold:.....
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 05:36 PM
Apr 11

a.) "I didn't do these things"; and

b.) "You know me."

a.) We should believe him, why?

b.) No, no we do not.

Don't misconstrue; I am a big fan of the political Swalwell.

But I'm not in a cult.

And I go back to the days when I defended the National Enquirer when they printed the TRUTH about John Edwards and Rielle.


EdmondDantes_

(1,964 posts)
62. You are wrong about Franken 8 different women accused him
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:45 PM
Apr 11

Please be accurate about it. It's not especially convincing when his defenders chronically misstate events to minimize things.

https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/07/al-franken-sexual-misconduct-allegations-timeline-senator-minnesota/

Response to EdmondDantes_ (Reply #62)

Fiendish Thingy

(23,515 posts)
41. To believe this is ratfuckery is to suspend reality
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 06:16 PM
Apr 11

The earliest allegation dates to 2019, which means Stone or other republicans would have had to plant an operative on Swallwell’s staff six years before he decided to run for governor.

Then Stone/republicans would have had to plant three more operatives to work on his staff faithfully until this week, then suddenly make “false” accusations.

Then, Stone/republicans would have also had to plant four operatives on his staff to to work faithfully, then resign in disgust once the news broke.

Or, there is truth to the accusations, but they are difficult to prove criminally due to the passage of time, but the women involved nevertheless spoke out to achieve some sort of accountability and closure.

If there is ratfuckery, it is far more likely that the allegations are true, and someone “encouraged” the women to go public to winnow the field of candidates, so that this would not be a ticking time bomb for November.

mr715

(3,766 posts)
51. Fiendish Thingy
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:43 PM
Apr 11

I am consistently impressed by the quality of your analysis and your obvious intellect.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,249 posts)
53. Tom Steyer is a billionaire
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:49 PM
Apr 11

He's trailing Swalwell and he certainly has the money to do some digging.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,515 posts)
56. I'm not pointing fingers
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:57 PM
Apr 11

But if Swallwell is forced out of the race, Steyer is the prime beneficiary, at least for the moment.

It will be interesting to see how Porter handles this situation.

onenote

(46,189 posts)
55. Double standard?
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 10:56 PM
Apr 11

Should e Jean Carroll have gone to the authorities instead of waiting decades to reveal what had happened to her decades earlier?

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
58. It's not a double standard. Then statute of limitations had expired and it was pre-Me Too.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 11:10 PM
Apr 11

So, again I say, these anonymous accusers should go report these alleged crimes immediately and have law enforcement investigate.

pnwmom

(110,305 posts)
65. Some of the SOL's are only 5 years, and it takes victims time to emotionally process these things.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 12:26 AM
Apr 12

And sometimes a victim blames herself and thinks she's the only one, till someone else comes forward.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,938 posts)
79. They did go to the police
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 12:35 PM
Apr 12

That's why Alvin Bragg, he of the successful Trump prosecution, has opened an investigation and set up a tip line for alleged victims to come foward.

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
88. Not true. He opened up the investigation based on the news reports.
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 02:58 PM
Apr 13

Hence why he has had to ask the accusers or anyone else that might have knowledge about the accusations to come forward.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
90. It sounds like you believe that staying silent or going to the police are the only two options for someone who's
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:04 PM
Apr 13

experienced something that they feel is morally, socially or culturally wrong but not sure about the legality of it. Would you say that's accurate?

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
93. I believe that if you are willing to tell your story to the media about your alleged sexual assault...
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:14 PM
Apr 13

...you should be willing to tell your story to the police.

And if they're not sure about the legality of rape (???) then that's even more reason to go to the police.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
96. .
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:21 PM
Apr 13
I believe that if you are willing to tell your story to the media about your alleged sexual assault......you should be willing to tell your story to the police.
Would you say there is a difference in the experience of answering trauma-informed questions from a journalist vs. answering questions from a cop?

And if they're not sure about the legality of rape (???) then that's even more reason to go to the police.
And risk being held up as a false accuser? Your trust in cops is...something else.

EdmondDantes_

(1,964 posts)
81. The patriarchy harms everyone
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 01:05 PM
Apr 12

Whether it's defending men because we like them or because the victim didn't respond the "right" way, or fast enough.

pnwmom

(110,305 posts)
86. They didn't go to CNN. CNN went to them. And Manhattan prosecutors
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 06:58 PM
Apr 12

are investigating the allegations.

pnwmom

(110,305 posts)
92. You are assuming that, but it's not being reported when or in response to what
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:10 PM
Apr 13

they started their investigation.

pnwmom

(110,305 posts)
98. That's what you gleaned from the comments, but I didn't. And it really doesn't matter.
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:56 PM
Apr 13

It's up to any victim whether they feel more comfortable going to the police, their friends --online or IRL -- or the media.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
71. The original victim didn't go to authorities because she didn't think they'd believe her. And the media came to her.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 07:35 AM
Apr 12

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
75. Well, it sure looks like lots believe her snd support her, so now she should go to the police.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 11:51 AM
Apr 12

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
76. The Manhattan DA has opened an investigation, so she may have.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 11:54 AM
Apr 12

I'm curious, do you say the same thing about Epstein victims?

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
91. No, the investigation was opened because of the reporting, hence why they are asking people to come forward.
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:08 PM
Apr 13

And Epstein victims DID go to the authorities.

And while we're being curious, what are your thoughts if Epstein's victims chose not to cooperate with police and in doing so let their abusers get away with their crimes?

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,090 posts)
95. .
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:18 PM
Apr 13

It's not clear to me that the investigation was opened because of the reporting; just that it was opened after the reporting, fwiw.

what are your thoughts if Epstein's victims chose not to cooperate with police and in doing so let their abusers get away with their crimes?
Thousands of abusers get away with their crimes every day in this country because victims do not come forward. But I can't begrudge whatever a victim does in order to feel safe or like they have some control over their life.

W_HAMILTON

(10,385 posts)
97. Yes, but these accusers did come forward.
Mon Apr 13, 2026, 03:27 PM
Apr 13

To the media.


They are accusing someone of serious crimes. I don't see why it's that controversial to want them to now tell their story to the police.

hamsterjill

(17,668 posts)
68. I don't know.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 01:02 AM
Apr 12

But I refuse to say that Swalwell should immediately resign before he has an opportunity to defend against these allegations. Pardon me, if I still believe in that.

Some posters seem to think that an accusation should be an immediate call for a politician to step aside. Well, if that's the case, we won't have ANYONE running for public office for fear of being accused.

There is a process. I want to let the process work and see what the facts are. That does not mean that I think it would be okay for any man to do what Swalwell is accused of doing. It just means that I don't want to condemn him without having the whole story.

Swalwell has been one of THE most vocal critics of Trump, and I like that aspect of him. Whose gonna be accused next? Mark Kelley?
Ted Lieu?

Let the process play out. There will be plenty of time for him to resign if that's what the facts show needs to happen. This does not have to be decided tonight.

LeftInTX

(34,561 posts)
69. I think it's to distract from the Melania thing.
Sun Apr 12, 2026, 04:29 AM
Apr 12

How can we pay attention to Epstein, when we've got one of our own drugging and raping women?

Roger Stone seems to have some inside info with the Democratic Party. He knew that Biden was gonna drop out and he knew when he was gonna drop out. I thought was BS'ing or whatever. I stumpled on some podcast he had. Then it happened just like he said.

You would be surprised that info does get shared. He discussed his relationship with Woodward and Bernstein. Sometimes people are friends and neighbors from those who work across the aisle and they find out that way.

I don't think he was ratfucked in that sense. I do think this a big distraction from Melania/Epstein/Ugaro and that Italian guy.

lees1975

(7,100 posts)
99. With the amount of money available for campaigns,
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 05:45 AM
Apr 14

This kind of bribery is dollar and dime stuff. Getting one of the most successful democratic congressmen in California out of a race where he was on a trajectory to win, and out of Congress, knowing that women's accusations effectively end a man's career even if the evidence eventually exonerates him is a successful strategy. Even if innocent, no man or person of color ever recovers from that.

Jirel

(2,376 posts)
101. I love how women are not to be believed.
Tue Apr 14, 2026, 09:24 AM
Apr 14

Shame.

If there was nothing to it, if he was being ratfucked, Swallwell had all the opportunities in the world to fight back.

Instead, once again someone who seems just a few hairs’-breadths away from the equivalent of supporting their favorite politician even if he did rape a few women with his best friend who had a whole island for raping women, is casting doubt on whether their favorite politician really did abuse a woman who came forward with a detailed story and evidence.

Being “our guy” is not an excuse to cast doubt when apparently HE isn’t even casting doubt on a pretty long-term abusive situation. He has all the reason and ability to fight it, if the story is false. It could land him with criminal charges, for a start. But he isn’t.

Bringing up Franken doesn’t help the argument. What Franken did was nowhere as serious, and there was no reason for him to lie about it. He didn’t. He had a couple options - stay in politics and let the voters decided if it was a big deal, or bow out because, if nothing else, it was not conduct many felt was befitting a man in high office. He chose how he chose. He was not in danger of criminal charges, etc.

We do not do ourselves any favors when we try to protect our politicians from accusations of misconduct and keep them on because… why? The other side has no shame? We want to assume women lie, especially when they come forward with stories that will tank their own careers? We get frustrated with the inconvenience losing a “good” candidate and having to work harder to bring us someone else who should be vetted even harder?

We need to stop making excuses or raising doubts to “save” politicians who are credibly accused. If the same level of evidence was raised with regard to abusing an elder family member or their child, the party would instantly turn against them. But a woman? “Oh, you know, women lie…”

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