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dalton99a

(93,928 posts)
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 02:45 PM Saturday

The U.S. dropped 7.5 million tons of bombs, 400,000 tons of napalm, and had 550,000 troops on the ground in Vietnam


and didn't accomplish a fucking thing.

Never underestimate the concept of self-defense against foreign invaders


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GreenWave

(12,606 posts)
1. Viet Nam had already defeated the Japanese, French, Britsh, then the USA and later China.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 02:49 PM
Saturday

Our mission was doomed from the start.

dalton99a

(93,928 posts)
3. Actually Vietnam had successfully repelled multiple Mongol invasions from China in previous centuries
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 03:05 PM
Saturday

The Mongols basically gave up trying

China did try again in 1979 (they were pissed off that Vietnam had invaded Cambodia which was a Chinese client and removed the murderous Pol Pot from power)

GreenWave

(12,606 posts)
8. I lived in South America when that broke out between Cambodia and China.
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:40 PM
Sunday

I often used that as an example of how a few decades after WWII many nations did not learn their lessons about genocide and stood idly by while Pol Pot killed a large percentage of his people.

China was pompous and said it would teach Viet Nam a "painful lesson". Thousands died to stop Pol Pot from his killing spree, but IIRC Vietnam pushed China past their common border, making them surrender the ground lost and promise not to invade again.

dalton99a

(93,928 posts)
9. Yep, the teacher got his butt kicked
Sun Mar 15, 2026, 12:58 PM
Sunday
On Jan. 29, 1979, Deng Xiaoping told reporters in Washington, “If you don’t teach them some necessary lessons, it just won’t do,” describing Việt Nam as a disobedient child needing discipline. [10]

​The geopolitical roots of the conflict were complex. Many political commentators argue the 1979 war stemmed largely from Việt Nam’s military campaign against the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, whose leader, Pol Pot, was a Chinese ally. [11] Simultaneously, Sino-Soviet relations were deteriorating, while Moscow provided significant support to Hà Nội as its “elder brother.”

​​Within hours of the outbreak, the United States called on China to withdraw and urged the Soviet Union to exercise restraint to prevent escalating tensions. [12] China ultimately did not begin its troop withdrawal until March 6, 1979.

​Following the withdrawal, a war of words ensued. China stated that it had “achieved its objectives,” delivering “heavy blows” in three directions: Đồng Đăng–Lạng Sơn, Cao Bằng–Thất Khê, and Lào Cai–Cam Đường. [13]

Beijing also declared that it had not taken “a single inch of Vietnamese territory” and would not “tolerate” further Vietnamese “territorial incursions.” Conversely, the Vietnam News Agency proclaimed Việt Nam had “defeated Beijing’s expansionist plot,” claiming Vietnamese forces killed or wounded nearly 42,000 Chinese troops and destroyed half of their armored vehicles. Western observers noted the likely exaggeration of these figures, given that neither nation has ever released official casualty numbers.

​Finally, textbooks rarely mention that the conflict did not truly end in 1979. Although both sides declared the war over, intermittent clashes continued for another decade. It was only in the 1990s, following the historic Chengdu meeting and gradual normalization, that the confrontation between the two communist states officially concluded.

bucolic_frolic

(54,911 posts)
2. 54,000 US soldiers dead
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 02:54 PM
Saturday

and now we have shoes and clothing made in Vietnam. For business it was an investment.

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pwb

(12,624 posts)
6. A lot of people fled Vietnam because we were there, and are free now.
Sat Mar 14, 2026, 04:05 PM
Saturday

So there's that.

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