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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(134,823 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:32 PM Thursday

Iranian warship sunk by the US was sailing home after taking part in an exhibition hosted by India

GALLE, Sri Lanka (AP) — An Iranian warship that was sunk by a U.S. submarine near Sri Lanka had participated in naval exercises hosted by India before heading out into international waters in the Indian Ocean on its way home, New Delhi said.

The sinking underscored the scope of the U.S.-Israeli war with Iran and its spread in the Middle East and beyond. It also ignited a debate in India about maritime security in the Indian Ocean — a region where New Delhi maintains a significant naval presence.

On Wednesday, Sri Lanka's navy recovered 87 bodies and rescued 32 Iranian sailors from the IRIS Dena, which sank in international waters off the coast of the island nation — a rare instance of a submarine torpedoing a ship since World War II.

Sri Lanka’s navy said it had responded to a distress signal from the IRIS Dena, but by the time it reached the location, there was no sign of the ship, just patches of oil and sailors floating in the water. The rescued mariners were taken to a hospital in the town of Galle, on Sri Lanka’s southern coast.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/iranian-warship-sunk-us-sailing-111923309.html

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Iranian warship sunk by the US was sailing home after taking part in an exhibition hosted by India (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Thursday OP
They should have made up an engine problem and stayed in Port EX500rider Thursday #1
Or gone to any port....or dropped their flag and flown a white flag. Melon Thursday #3
Don't blame the victim, this was an act of terrorism by the us Blues Heron Thursday #9
It was a warship...on its way back to the conflict area Melon Thursday #16
We're all targets now thanks to trumps illegal and immoral murder mission- totally unjustified killing Blues Heron Thursday #18
Apparently there was a 2nd Iranian naval vessel at the Maritime exercise... EX500rider Thursday #29
Why would Iran, knowing that it's in tense diplomatic times with 2 aircraft carriers at its door Melon Thursday #38
I assume it was planned way earlier and they thought they could bluff their way thru the talks EX500rider Thursday #46
Cowardly sucker punch, another 80 murders for Trumps peace prize account Blues Heron Thursday #2
What do you suggest , the submarine surface first? EX500rider Thursday #5
I suggest not murdering to cover up the Epstein files. Blowing that ship up is a piece of shit move Blues Heron Thursday #6
Letting it get in range of a US Carrier Group to use its anti-ship cruise missiles would have been a worse idea EX500rider Thursday #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Blues Heron Thursday #8
Disgusting! ruet Thursday #10
Frigates are not unarmed ships nt sarisataka Thursday #11
Very highly unlikely that it was unarmed hardluck Thursday #13
Internet trolls still defend it. Kingofalldems Thursday #15
Internet trolls pretend it was a unarmed warship EX500rider Thursday #21
the real internet trolls spread Iranian propaganda. WarGamer Thursday #53
How was a Iranian navy vessel "unarmed"? EX500rider Thursday #17
More and more posts are claiming fantasy as facts sarisataka Thursday #20
You know, one of those "unarmed warships", you've heard of those right? EX500rider Thursday #22
The nonsense was flying yesterday about the US running short of Tomahawk missiles... WarGamer Thursday #54
Noted Iranian propagandist Mark Hertling, who knows more than you do, seems concerned about overall munitions stock. BannonsLiver 16 hrs ago #68
Don't get me wrong... this could turn into Shrub's iraq... or maybe not. WarGamer 10 hrs ago #78
Yet some are defending it. AloeVera Thursday #30
It being a "unarmed warship" is pure BS EX500rider Thursday #47
"Blowing that ship up is a piece of shit move" EX500rider Thursday #19
What ever happened to warning shots across the bow? This seems needlessly vicious. No help to the survivors either Blues Heron Thursday #23
How does a sub do a "warning shot" across the bow? EX500rider Thursday #24
I'm hearing it was unarmed, having participated in joint exercises requiring ships to be unarmed Blues Heron Thursday #32
nonsense, they literally have live fire exercises during naval maneuvers EX500rider Thursday #33
here: EX500rider Thursday #34
There is no reason ships in such an operation sarisataka Thursday #37
The excercise it was in had live fire...... Melon 10 hrs ago #77
Well then by all means blast away! Send those poor bastards straight to Davey Jones locker! Blues Heron 10 hrs ago #80
How does a sub help survivors? EX500rider Thursday #28
That ship sailed. Happy Hoosier Thursday #31
that's blaming the victim, this was pure Trumpian bloodlust on display. Blues Heron Thursday #39
I doubt Trump was anywhere in the decision making EX500rider Thursday #48
Totally - like when... lame54 Thursday #14
Is a US navy sub protecting it's carrier group a "bank robber" somehow? EX500rider Thursday #25
If your in the middle of an illegal act... lame54 Thursday #42
So in your mind the sub should allow the Iranian War vessel to try to sink the US carrier that somehow better to you? EX500rider Thursday #43
In your mind... lame54 Thursday #44
The carrier is conducting air ops in the Arabian Sea, the Iranian warship was headed that way EX500rider Thursday #45
Maybe you can be... lame54 Thursday #55
Sinking enemy warships during a war is rarely a war crime EX500rider Thursday #56
It is an ironic inversion sarisataka Thursday #57
It's all fruit of a poison tree... lame54 Thursday #58
Doesn't make it a war crime EX500rider Yesterday #60
Epstein. B.See Thursday #4
The craven excuses are almost as bad as the act itself Torchlight Thursday #12
No woke rules of war, for sure Easterncedar Thursday #26
Some serious bloodlust here. NoMoreRepugs Thursday #27
Both statements are BS hardluck Thursday #36
"US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute" not EX500rider Thursday #51
The Iranian Captain Needed to Know How to Read the Room OC375 Thursday #35
We are being told by our government that this is actually not a war. This was a terrorist act by the US Blues Heron Thursday #40
Don't care what Trump says, bro OC375 Thursday #41
So if the Iranian warship got in range and fired her missiles at US ship also a terrorist act? EX500rider Thursday #49
Self defense, duh Blues Heron Thursday #50
most wars have a aggressor on one side, that hardly makes it "terrorism" EX500rider Thursday #52
It's worse than terrorism, it's state sponsored terror. Blues Heron Yesterday #62
Yeah no, it's just regular warfare EX500rider Yesterday #64
It's like if you break into someone's house they can shoot you, it's self defense, you shoot them it's murder. Blues Heron Yesterday #65
"In my opinion" is how you should have ended that EX500rider Yesterday #66
In my opinion, yes Blues Heron Yesterday #67
"how most normal people see this, it's why there's substantial outrage over this." EX500rider 14 hrs ago #69
Mostly trolls, obviously. Blues Heron 13 hrs ago #70
Oh I wouldn't go that far, no one has called you a troll, you're allowed your own opinion even if it's wrong EX500rider 12 hrs ago #72
Like Pearl Harbor was "just regular warfare"? WE ILLEGALLY BOMBED IRAN..... ColoringFool 31 min ago #82
Iran is shooting at all nations ships OC375 Thursday #59
Interesting how that doesn't get called out... sarisataka Yesterday #61
If you say so bro Blues Heron Yesterday #63
So you defend Japan's kamikaze attacks post-Pearl Harbor? ...... ColoringFool 28 min ago #83
So this is the part where further Japanese aggression post-PH is acceptable? ColoringFool 24 min ago #84
For everyone's information - the ship that was sunk was not on its way back to Iran, or "the carrier group" muriel_volestrangler 13 hrs ago #71
Highly unlikely the sub knew anything about that EX500rider 11 hrs ago #73
I think subs can tell which direction a ship is going, and its speed muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #74
"sink the bastard, it's Iranian" That's generally how wars go, yes. EX500rider 10 hrs ago #75
It had been just outside their maritime zone for days. It wasn't going anywhere. muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #76
"If it's war, it's illegal - Congress has not authorised it" Might want to read the War Powers Act EX500rider 10 hrs ago #79
The War Powers Resolution is not to allow a president to wage general war for 60 days muriel_volestrangler 48 min ago #81
Is This The Time To Roll Out The Perjury About "Yellow-Cake..... ColoringFool 12 min ago #85

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
1. They should have made up an engine problem and stayed in Port
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:37 PM
Thursday

It wasn't like the US was going to let them get back to join the war

Melon

(1,422 posts)
3. Or gone to any port....or dropped their flag and flown a white flag.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:40 PM
Thursday

As you said, unless they surrendered the vessel to a port to wait it out, they were doomed as they got closer to Iran.

Melon

(1,422 posts)
16. It was a warship...on its way back to the conflict area
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:19 PM
Thursday

Victim? 20 other large vessels were already sunk. I’m sure they were aware that they are a target.

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
18. We're all targets now thanks to trumps illegal and immoral murder mission- totally unjustified killing
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:27 PM
Thursday

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
29. Apparently there was a 2nd Iranian naval vessel at the Maritime exercise...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:32 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

.....this one was smart enough to develop "engine troubles"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/5/sri-lanka-evacuates-crew-of-second-iranian-vessel-after-us-sunk-iris-dena

Melon

(1,422 posts)
38. Why would Iran, knowing that it's in tense diplomatic times with 2 aircraft carriers at its door
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 07:04 PM
Thursday

Send two of its small navy to a war excercise? Then they stayed an extra 2 days after the conflict started. Weird stuff.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
46. I assume it was planned way earlier and they thought they could bluff their way thru the talks
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:31 PM
Thursday

Plus they must have known their only real useful weapons were going to be missiles & drones, their navy & air force were just going to be targets

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
5. What do you suggest , the submarine surface first?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:51 PM
Thursday

The object of combat isn't to make it fair for the other side

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
6. I suggest not murdering to cover up the Epstein files. Blowing that ship up is a piece of shit move
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:53 PM
Thursday

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
7. Letting it get in range of a US Carrier Group to use its anti-ship cruise missiles would have been a worse idea
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 01:55 PM
Thursday

ymmv

Response to EX500rider (Reply #7)

hardluck

(776 posts)
13. Very highly unlikely that it was unarmed
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:18 PM
Thursday

The Dena participated in Milan 2026, which included live fire exercises:

The MILAN exercises kicked off with a presidential fleet review at sea. presided over by the Honorable President of India. It showcased indigenous platforms, including INS Vikrant, India's first domestically built aircraft carrier. Visakhapatnam-class destroyers, Nilgiri-class stealth frigates, and Arnala-class anti-submarine warfare corvettes also participated, reflecting India's transformation into a "builder's navy."

As per the Indian Navy, the primary goals of MILAN 2026 included "operational interoperability, advanced warfare training." These focused on the "sea phase" (February 21–25), which included live-fire drills, anti-submarine warfare, and complex electronic warfare scenarios.

https://japan-forward.com/why-were-indias-milan-2026-naval-exercises-important/]

Here's video of a Russian warship participating in the live fire portion of Milan 2026:

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And the US did not pull out of Milan 2026. The US participated in both the harbor phase as well as the sea phase with a P-8 conducting ASW training. There was a US destroyer, the USS Pinckney, that was set to participate but, ultimately, did not as it was diverted to Singapore.

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/display-news/Article/4417628/us-navy-concludes-participation-in-multilateral-exercise-milan-2026/]

Pretty much all of this guy's facts are wrong.

WarGamer

(18,476 posts)
53. the real internet trolls spread Iranian propaganda.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:02 PM
Thursday

I guess they support religo-nazis and killing protestors.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
17. How was a Iranian navy vessel "unarmed"?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:24 PM
Thursday
As per Iranian Navy Commander Hossein Khanzadi, the ship carried a significantly greater armament compared with the frigates of the same-class. Dena was equipped with a vertical launching system, a first for an Iranian ship.
The ship was equipped with surface-to-air and anti-ship missiles.
It had an armament of four Ghader anti-ship missiles, a 76 mm Fajr-27 naval gun, a 40 mm Fath-40 AA cannon, a 30 mm Kamand anti-aircraft defense cannon, two 20 mm Oerlikon cannons, two 12.7 mm heavy machine guns, and two triple 324mm anti-submarine torpedo launchers

Doesn't sound very unarmed to me


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS_Dena

sarisataka

(22,489 posts)
20. More and more posts are claiming fantasy as facts
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:30 PM
Thursday

And there are a growing number of accusations that those who correct false information are "supporting" the war.

WarGamer

(18,476 posts)
54. The nonsense was flying yesterday about the US running short of Tomahawk missiles...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:03 PM
Thursday

Standard US inventory is publicly available... it's 3500-4000 units.

400 were used in the opening days of the war and Tomahawks are only used BEFORE air supremacy is achieved.

The Iranian propaganda is thick right now

BannonsLiver

(20,462 posts)
68. Noted Iranian propagandist Mark Hertling, who knows more than you do, seems concerned about overall munitions stock.
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 12:43 PM
16 hrs ago

He seems to disagree with you and Whiskey Pete Hegseth that everything is fine. But hey, he's probably getting a check from some mullah!

(On edit: The "I told you so" fun for me in the coming weeks, months, years as this thing drags on and on with the folks who didn't learn a thing from Iraq and other entanglements is going to be off the charts. )

WarGamer

(18,476 posts)
78. Don't get me wrong... this could turn into Shrub's iraq... or maybe not.
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 07:10 PM
10 hrs ago

I don't know... all I'm saying is all this social media hype about how the Iranians are "devastating" it's neighbors is silly.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
47. It being a "unarmed warship" is pure BS
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:36 PM
Thursday

Once it left port and headed back to the warzone is was a danger to the US carrier group in the Arabian Sea.
I don't see how letting it kill a bunch of US sailors and then being sunk is a better outcome, YMMV

The other Iranian vessel stayed in Sri Lanka with "engine problems" and is fine.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
19. "Blowing that ship up is a piece of shit move"
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:29 PM
Thursday

Smarter move then letting it get with in striking distance of the US carrier group operating in the Arabian Sea.
She had 4 sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles with 200 kilo warheads and 300k range.

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
23. What ever happened to warning shots across the bow? This seems needlessly vicious. No help to the survivors either
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 05:58 PM
Thursday

Do the supporters of this ginned up war want wwiii to break out? Because that is a distinct possibility here. Let that sink in.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
24. How does a sub do a "warning shot" across the bow?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:04 PM
Thursday

Very dangerous for a sub to let a frigate know it's there, the Iranian warship carried homing torpedos with a 15k range.

How does WWIII break out?
Zero major powers are going to step in to help Iran.
Actually the longer they try to block the Straights of Hormuz, the more likely other powers will step in to help open the straights.

Key Destinations and Percentages (via Strait of Hormuz):
Asia (Total): ~82%
China: ~37.7% (Also, ~90% of Iran's specific exports)
India: ~14.7%
Other Asia: ~13.9%
South Korea: ~12.0%
Other (Europe/USA): Remaining ~18

India relies on the Middle East for about 60% of its oil imports.
More than 90% of Japan's crude oil imports come from the Middle East.

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
32. I'm hearing it was unarmed, having participated in joint exercises requiring ships to be unarmed
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:44 PM
Thursday

After the fog of war clears, this will be revealed to be a serious war crime, I have no doubt.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
33. nonsense, they literally have live fire exercises during naval maneuvers
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:48 PM
Thursday

Any real news org saying that or just some nobody troll on X?

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
34. here:
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:49 PM
Thursday
As per the Indian Navy, the primary goals of MILAN 2026 included "operational interoperability, advanced warfare training." These focused on the "sea phase" (February 21–25), which included live-fire drills, anti-submarine warfare, and complex electronic warfare scenarios.

sarisataka

(22,489 posts)
37. There is no reason ships in such an operation
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:56 PM
Thursday

Would be required to be unarmed. They may not have been at combat readiness but they would still have their standard weapons load.

Also not even Iran has said the ship was unarmed; I believe they know more about their ships than "sources"

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
80. Well then by all means blast away! Send those poor bastards straight to Davey Jones locker!
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 07:19 PM
10 hrs ago

Kill ‘em all and let god sort em out amirite?

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
28. How does a sub help survivors?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:30 PM
Thursday

She has neither lifeboats or room/provisions for 32 prisoners.

The Iranian frigate got off a SOS and had life rafts.

Happy Hoosier

(9,503 posts)
31. That ship sailed.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:39 PM
Thursday

Trump starting this war to cover up Epstein is despicable. But out folks are now engaged. This ship was sailing to the conflict zone. With hostilities underway, that ship was a legit target. It should have remained in port.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
48. I doubt Trump was anywhere in the decision making
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:44 PM
Thursday

The Admiral commanding the carrier group would be derelict in his/her duty if they allowed a enemy combatant with anti-ship assets to get anywhere near the carrier group.
No doubt the attached attack sub was sent that way to make sure it didn't.

If the Iranian captain had any brains he would have developed some "engine trouble" like the other Iranian warship did, instead he got most of his crew killed for nothing.

lame54

(39,537 posts)
14. Totally - like when...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:20 PM
Thursday

A bank robber shoots a guard for daring to pull a gun on him
All's fair

lame54

(39,537 posts)
42. If your in the middle of an illegal act...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 08:06 PM
Thursday

Any harm you do is attached to it
This war is illegal

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
43. So in your mind the sub should allow the Iranian War vessel to try to sink the US carrier that somehow better to you?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 08:35 PM
Thursday

lame54

(39,537 posts)
44. In your mind...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 08:54 PM
Thursday

Their meeting was happenstance and our carrier didn't fucking hunt it down

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
45. The carrier is conducting air ops in the Arabian Sea, the Iranian warship was headed that way
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:24 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)

The carrier most likely detached her attack sub to go stop it getting closer.
The Iranian warship had anti-ship cruise missiles with 300k range, letting it get closer would be stupid.
If the Iranian warship didn't want to take part in the war she could have just stayed where she was.

You know who didn't get sunk?
The other Iranian warship that stayed in Sri Lanka

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
56. Sinking enemy warships during a war is rarely a war crime
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:52 PM
Thursday

And the ship wasn't unarmed that's BS

And I don't even know why they mention international waters like thats some kind of safe zone for enemy ships, news flash it's not

sarisataka

(22,489 posts)
57. It is an ironic inversion
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 10:56 PM
Thursday

The narrative presents it as if international waters is some kind of safe zone; however attacking the ship in another country's territorial waters would be a violation of sovereignty.

lame54

(39,537 posts)
58. It's all fruit of a poison tree...
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:29 PM
Thursday

We should not be in this war therefore we should not be in a position to sink sovereign nation ships

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
60. Doesn't make it a war crime
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 12:01 AM
Yesterday

For it to be a war crime it'd have to be a declared and marked hospital ship or have surrendered and then be sunk etc

Wars started for dubious reasons do not mean all the combat that takes place during that war are war crimes

Torchlight

(6,702 posts)
12. The craven excuses are almost as bad as the act itself
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 04:07 PM
Thursday

Leavitt was failing in her attempt to turn water into orange juice as she rationalized Operation Forget Epstein.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,968 posts)
27. Some serious bloodlust here.
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:18 PM
Thursday

"In a social media post, former Indian Foreign Secretary Kanwal Sibal said there was no way that the Iranian ship could have been perceived as any kind of military threat."

� 'I am told that as per protocol for this exercise ships cannot carry any ammunition,' he wrote. 'It was defenseless... The attack by the US submarine was premeditated as the US was aware of the Iranian ship�s presence in the exercise to which the US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute, presumably with this operation in mind.' "

A bit like targeting a girls school?

hardluck

(776 posts)
36. Both statements are BS
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:56 PM
Thursday

First, Milan 2026 had live fire exercises so there was no was no protocol that ships could not carry ammunition. Second, the US participated in the exercises, both the harbor portion and the at sea portion - P-8's practiced ASW.

See my prior post at #13.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
51. "US navy was invited but withdrew from participation at the last minute" not
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:55 PM
Thursday
A U.S. Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft (MPRA) from Patrol Squadron (VP) 4 concluded their participation in the multilateral naval exercise MILAN 2026, Feb. 17-26, 2026.

https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/display-news/Article/4417628/us-navy-concludes-participation-in-multilateral-exercise-milan-2026/

And there was literally a live-fire exercise as part of the operation so the vessels weren't "unarmed"
The Indian guy is talking BS

OC375

(702 posts)
35. The Iranian Captain Needed to Know How to Read the Room
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 06:49 PM
Thursday

It literally just came from practicing how to kill enemies, so it could do that better if there's a war. Constant improvement, that's what militaries do all day.

There's now a war and it's an enemy ship headed to a war zone. Further, that ships country shoots at anything that seemingly floats these days, so I have no idea why everyone is adding "international waters" to this, like it's some shocker. That's a lot of bad choices.

It was literally the part in the movie where Eastwood tells everyone who doesn't want to get shot better leave... and reminds everyone that you'd best be armed (permanently) if you do wicked stuff... They headed right in.

Also, we don't tell the enemy stuff like "We're here. Stand and deliver you cur!", anymore. You just shoot them.

I suppose if Iran were to start firing warning drones that deliberately missed oil tankers, military bases and Amazon data centers, we should consider warning shots.

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
40. We are being told by our government that this is actually not a war. This was a terrorist act by the US
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 07:27 PM
Thursday

Can’t have it both ways bro

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
49. So if the Iranian warship got in range and fired her missiles at US ship also a terrorist act?
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:49 PM
Thursday

Or a act of war?
Can’t have it both ways bro

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
52. most wars have a aggressor on one side, that hardly makes it "terrorism"
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 09:57 PM
Thursday
Terrorism is the premeditated use of violence or threat of violence by non-state actors or clandestine agents against civilians, property, or infrastructure to create fear, intimidate populations, or coerce governments to advance political, religious, or ideological goals.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
64. Yeah no, it's just regular warfare
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 12:50 AM
Yesterday

One Naval warship attacking another Naval warship during a war is hardly "terror"
It's called combat and if the Iranian ship wanted to avoid it it could have stayed in port like the other Iranian vessel did

Blues Heron

(8,663 posts)
65. It's like if you break into someone's house they can shoot you, it's self defense, you shoot them it's murder.
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 12:57 AM
Yesterday

We broke into their house and set off bombs, it’s a crime. They fight back, it’s self defense. Sinking their ship was yet another crime. Sorry, that’s just how most normal people see this, it’s why there’s substantial outrage over this.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
69. "how most normal people see this, it's why there's substantial outrage over this."
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 02:45 PM
14 hrs ago

And by normal people you mean a few posters here and maybe code pink?

Less people seem outraged by it in this thread and understand how naval warfare works then otherwise.
ymmv
Considering the alternative was to let it get within missile range of a US carrier and maybe kill a bunch of American sailors and then still get sunk I don't see how this is the worst outcome

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
72. Oh I wouldn't go that far, no one has called you a troll, you're allowed your own opinion even if it's wrong
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 04:41 PM
12 hrs ago

Basically there were 2 choices and all the "illegal war!" "Burglar!" etc cries are too late once hostilities begin.

At that point the US Admiral in command of the USN carrier group could either:

A. Let a hostile warship in missile range and risk potentially losing ships and many sailors & then sinking the enemy vessel or

B. Sink it while it is still out of range.

There really isn't a choice C., if the Iranian warship didn't want to fight it would have stayed in Sri Lanka like the other one did.

Any Admiral who picked A. would be rightfully court marshaled for dereliction of duty in force protection.

ColoringFool

(562 posts)
82. Like Pearl Harbor was "just regular warfare"? WE ILLEGALLY BOMBED IRAN.....
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 05:00 AM
31 min ago

What about INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES do you not get??

Iran was not a belligerent, not a combatant, not a declared war enemy.....

It was, in fact, a sovereign nation as Iraq was when we ILLEGALLY ATTACKED her.

OC375

(702 posts)
59. Iran is shooting at all nations ships
Thu Mar 5, 2026, 11:57 PM
Thursday

They don’t get to keep their warships heading towards the front where they are actively shooting at ships. We sink them before they sink anyone. That’s how it’s always worked.

sarisataka

(22,489 posts)
61. Interesting how that doesn't get called out...
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 12:07 AM
Yesterday

And it is all nations ships, even their own.
The tanker Skylight was hit by the Iranians, even though it is under sanction for being part of the shadow fleet which smuggles Iranian oil.

ColoringFool

(562 posts)
83. So you defend Japan's kamikaze attacks post-Pearl Harbor? ......
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 05:03 AM
28 min ago

Attack first. Then accuse the victim state of being in the wrong.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,036 posts)
71. For everyone's information - the ship that was sunk was not on its way back to Iran, or "the carrier group"
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 04:29 PM
13 hrs ago

On the 26th Feb, it had requested permission to enter a Sir Lankan port from the 9th to 13th of March, as had the IRINS Bushehr (a naval auxiliary, so without significant armament) and another ship*. The ships were already very close to the Sri Lankan national maritime zone. The Sri Lankan government thus saw it as an unusual request, and so didn't immediately say yes or no. Then the Dena was sunk early on the 4th, still close to Sri Lanka (19 nautical miles from the port of Galle). The Bushehr docked on the 4th at Trincomalee (not the main commercial port of Colombo, where the Sri Lankans didn't want it).






*The 3rd ship may have been the Lavan, a "Landing Ship Heavy" also in the Review, which asked India on Feb 28th to dock, saying it had technical issues; India said yes on the 1st, and it docked at Kochi on the 4th.

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/days-before-iris-dena-was-torpedoed-india-gives-safe-harbour-to-iranian-ship-in-kochi-3922522

Again basically unarmed (it has room to land a helicopter on it, but whether it sails with one, I can't tell): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengam-class_landing_ship

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
73. Highly unlikely the sub knew anything about that
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 05:57 PM
11 hrs ago

Iranian war vessel at sea, potential danger to carrier group is all the sub would have known

muriel_volestrangler

(106,036 posts)
74. I think subs can tell which direction a ship is going, and its speed
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 06:45 PM
10 hrs ago

so no, I think it's highly likely it knew it was not sailing towards your sacred carrier group, or into the zone of conflict. Plus in this day and age, I also suspect that US intel would have had the info about its movement for the past few days, and Navy top brass would have taken them into account when giving orders to sink it.

If one were demanding "unconditional surrender", one would be saying "it's a potential danger to our carrier group", and saying "sink the bastard, it's Iranian".

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
75. "sink the bastard, it's Iranian" That's generally how wars go, yes.
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 07:01 PM
10 hrs ago

Since it sounds like the Sri Lanka had not yet given permission for it do dock how do you know what direction it was heading?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,036 posts)
76. It had been just outside their maritime zone for days. It wasn't going anywhere.
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 07:07 PM
10 hrs ago

If it's war, it's illegal - Congress has not authorised it. "I was only obeying orders" is what the Democrats reminded the military they can't use as an excuse when the orders are illegal.

EX500rider

(12,411 posts)
79. "If it's war, it's illegal - Congress has not authorised it" Might want to read the War Powers Act
Fri Mar 6, 2026, 07:12 PM
10 hrs ago
Gives the president's power to commit the armed forces to armed conflict without congressional consent. It requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of deploying troops into hostilities, limiting their stay to 60–90 days unless authorization is granted.

It wasn't going anywhere.
So it was motionless? Anchored?
Doubtful, most likely she was moving in some direction.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,036 posts)
81. The War Powers Resolution is not to allow a president to wage general war for 60 days
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 04:43 AM
48 min ago

without any discussion beforehand.

It requires the president to consult with Congress where hostilities are thought "imminent". Trump clearly did not; he built up forces in the area, did no consultation, and pretended to be interested in negotiation. Then he launched the attack without warning, when nothing had changed (and no, the idea that Israel decided to attack and therefore the USA was forced to attack at the same time doesn't cut it). This is clearly against the Wars Power Resolution. You can't use it as an excuse for an attack 2000 miles away from the fighting.

You want to regard the killing of dozens of people as a form of Grandmother's Footsteps - if a ship twitches, 2000 miles away, then blast away. Are you inspired by Squid Game?

ColoringFool

(562 posts)
85. Is This The Time To Roll Out The Perjury About "Yellow-Cake.....
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 05:19 AM
12 min ago

Uranium," "Mobile Bio-warfare Labs," "Hidden WMDs," and "Saddam Won't Let Overseers In"?

ALL EFFING LIES, EVERY ONE, AND THEIR LIARS: BUSH; RICE; POWELL; WOLFOWITZ.

And yet---AND YET---there are actually those who take THIS unutterably corrupt and criminal Republican Administration's words as somehow being related to the truth and reality, when in fact they are not in the same UNIVERSE.

Well, as was said by a US Major ( not Gen. Westmoreland) back in Vietnam: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

Mark it: Cuba is next. Gotta bring back the good old criminal days of Batista. Think of the Trump Resorts and Golf Courses!

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