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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, guess who had a Trump card to play against Trump?
I am busting a gut with laughter.
The US is going to Ukraine to ask for help to fight against Iranian drones, since Ukraine has experience with this form of warfare.
Zelenskyy is a diplomat. I know inside he's saying: Who holds all the cards now, mother fucker?
But on the outside he's going to play his cards to benefit his people. So, in the end Trump will be forced to hand over the muleta to Zelenskyy to perform the estocada on Russia.
How poetic.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,835 posts)Or just more/enough money/arms to get the job done?
Of course, if Orban loses his election next month, and the EU loan goes through, Zelensky wont need the US at all.
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Can we give them arms, when we need them in Iran?
Not sure if weapons are even on the bargaining table. But exchange of information might be a thing.
In the end, the NATO allies will be the bull who holds the cape while both Trump and Putin are kneeling and begging for mercy.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,835 posts)Trump and Putin will be the bulls.
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)And I like plots where the hunted becomes the hunter.
Fiendish Thingy
(22,835 posts)The metaphor escaped me,
ananda
(34,842 posts)A LOT
barbtries
(31,281 posts)because everyone knows krasnov is a fucking deadbeat.
stollen
(1,136 posts)"And don't fuck up the mission this time, Junior."
ananda
(34,842 posts)FarPoint
(14,701 posts)We all know how to be a bit passive aggressive when we have to be...
Me, as a true "Walking Dead "Fan..... Just like Eugene helped make bullets for Negan to fight Rick....made some good ones with majority all exploding in the gun chamber....
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Goonch
(4,691 posts)
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Trump finding out what Democrats have known since the Revolutionary War times.
Sogo
(7,150 posts)nt
James48
(5,162 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Might trigger Zelenskyy in the negotiations.
WhiteTara
(31,245 posts)peggysue2
(12,488 posts)Ukraine has reportedly changed the face of war with their drone innovation, production and use on the battlefield. Ukrainian drones have proved cheap to produce, nimble and absolutely deadly. Of course, they had no choice because Russia was lobbing hundreds of Iranian drones on the Ukrainian population.
But this! This is too, too delicious. After all of Trump's treachery and insults, the fact that the United States is seeking Ukrainian help with drone warfare is beyond ironic. Also a reminder why allies are important particularly in wartime.
Who has the leverage now, Donnie?
Jay25
(437 posts)Iran was not a threat to the US yet was attacked, just as Ukraine was attacked. Zelensky humbled himself to the world in order to get assistance for the defense of his country. And now, Ukraine is offering to assist a country who decided to attack a country out of the blue, like they were attacked.
This is a world without moral or value, and none of it makes any sense to me.
stollen
(1,136 posts)for advice. I really want NATO membership for Ukraine, but not at the expense of selling its soul. It can't afford to take its eyes off Russia.
Raven123
(7,742 posts)Lonestarblue
(13,425 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)FarPoint
(14,701 posts)a true winning bet on that action..... No matter if help given in sincere....Zelinsky can play it smart...save face....
ChicagoTeamster
(768 posts)But, I'm now wondering if part of the reason why Hegseth kept trying to block weapons shipments for Ukraine is because they knew the Iran war was being secretly planned and they wanted as many weapons as possible.
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Trump will be known as the ultimate Manchurian president. Even fooled the MAGAs.
BComplex
(9,858 posts)Iran into oblivion for decades. In repayment for helping trump in stealing the 2024 election, and in response for not releasing the full mossad version of the epstein files, I'm sure trump has known since his own election that this was going to be the payback.
Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)The carrot: The Gaza Strip for Kushner to develop.
The stick: The Epstein files.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,963 posts)gfarber
(253 posts)There once was a plea from the West,
To Kyiv, by drone-wars well-versed,
Zelenskyy thought, Huh
Whos bluffing now, bruh?
But smiled like a diplomat first.
He played every card for his land,
While louder men blustered and planned,
Till Trump, with a sweep,
Passed the matadors cape
Your turn for the estocada at hand.
A quiet, strategic display:
The bull still is Russia in play,
And while crowds roar and bark,
The blade finds its mark
How strangely poetic, youd say.
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Baitball Blogger
(52,137 posts)Wicked Blue
(8,818 posts)With his track record, we just can't trust him.
WestMichRad
(3,181 posts)Zelenskyy should make certain that some Ukrainian intelligence on combatting aerial drones isnt shared, because we know TSF will share information with Putin.
Obliterating Irans drone production facilities should be a precondition, also.
PurgedVoter
(2,702 posts)Krasnov cannot be trusted.
ForeGoneLegsBirne
(27 posts)Maybe just maybe it counteracts that whole "why are we giving ALL our money to Ukraine..." narrative among MAGA! How about "hey... if they can help US as a military contractor with drones..then maybe they can be GLUED to the rest of Eastern Europe and strengthen the rest of the EU... and here you LIBRULLS thought our brave President Trump had BLUNDERED into Iran! Guess you're glad he got elected for a reason besides cheap eggs & gas!!!"
DFW
(60,045 posts)Make a Deal, get delivery of his part, and then refuse to deliver his partner their part. Someone please tell me Zelenskyy knows this by now. Even the Xhosa speakers of Southern Africa know this by now.
Mme. Defarge
(8,983 posts)to my vocabulary!
Diraven
(1,865 posts)The negotiations will mostly be in the form of threats, or that "they owe us" for past assistance.