There absolutely were posters here stoking those flames albeit more subtly.

The tact was that, "Biden and Harris just refused to stop funding Israel." As if that was within their power.

Columbia Gaza protestors, 90% of whom magically had the same tent...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_pro-Palestinian_campus_protests_during_the_Gaza_war

What are you doing if not "stoking those flames?"

A few weren't even Americans - but they liked popping off at the mouth. I think most have quietly tip-toed away.

it's like the "I NEVER VOTED FOR HIM!" excuse

Most are still here actively posting.

I probably have them blocked. I thought perhaps they just left DU.

This gets old, doesn't it?

here on DU?

You will be disappointed.

The outrage over human rights seems to have subsided.

At the end of this month there is going to be what may be the largest nation wide human rights protest in America's history.
Are you planning to attend.

It’s quite possible they will morph into predominantly human rights rallies (there have always been LGBTQ supporters there) but as of now the No Kings rallies are a melange of anti-ICE, anti-war, pro-democracy, anti-Trump, anti-corruption etc AND pro-human rights.

Not solely human rights.

And from past posts, it appears most DUers attend them.

Such as “No Kings” here in Philly. I believe the original poster may have been referring to the “Free Gaza” protests which I’ve heard nothing about since the Orange Terror was reinstated.

"In certain quarters the quest for scapegoats had begun. It was important to know whose fault all this was. It was important to know if things were going to get worse. Maybe there were identifiable persons, destabilizing persons, who were somehow responsible for the destabilized world."
- Salman Rushdie

And then I found this:

I could not ask for forgiveness for something I had not done. As scapegoat, I could only bear the fault." — Daphne du Maurier

It was insane when Biden was President, they were acting like Biden was the President of Israel and then Kamala somehow magically had control over US aid to Israel as if she ran Congress who allocated the money. And I have seen the Iran attack even being blamed on them because, "They continued to fund Israel."

There's no reasoning with some of them and the Right absolutely funded their nonsense during the elections.

and started yelling about Gaza/Palestine, the crowd was having none of it and they were loudly booed and quickly escorted out. I truly believe they are an Op.

Have they ever protested TSF? I asked this same question a few weeks ago here and was told they don't because they could get shot.

It's pure theater and part of an ongoing attempt to depress the Democratic vote.

All over the place on BlueSky. I’m sick of them.

because of it.

In order to harm Biden/Harris in the 2024 election.

Putin’s puppet is performing perfectly. No need to wind up the people atm

man is your choice for peace. A corrupt billionaire real estate developer and his cabal with evil streaks, and that’s a choice for peace?

I remember well the active campaigns against Biden/Kamala, and for absolutely impossible, unrealistic demands. Your phrasing was perfect: “come out and take a bow.”

A very complex problem requiring diplomacy and cooperation becomes a simple all-or-nothing black-white moral purity test. Genocide Joe and Killer Kamala -- the slogans had been chosen and signs printed. They're responsible for genocide and war crimes in another country they have no control over and that's that, reality ignored and replaced by assumptions of terrible motivations. Moral purity tests only work to defeat Democrats (the most important thing) so of course no slogans about Trump and no need to stir up anger and disgust for voting purposes.

I'm still waiting for my check.

I've actually gotten to confront some friends about their Gaza positions in the last year. I said to them, "not voting for Kamala guaranteed the total and complete destruction of Gaza. In fact, BiBi and trump went on TV and explicitly said their plan was to kill or eject 100% of the people living there so they could sell the land off to developers."

It was just deflection in response, "Well, we hold Democrats to a higher standard..."

And there is no real ceasefire, Israel bombs Gaza and kills people there regularly. There's still not enough aid getting in and people are dying from lack of food, lack of clean water and medical care. They turned that entire country to rubble and the damage escalated significantly when Trump came back into power.

There are Bernie supporters who are still convinced by the videos from Nevada.

Same people funded the disinformation.

against Iran. Anti-war protestors don’t get nearly as much coverage, of course.

And will go after the next Dem president with whatever new purity test they come up with.

Just like the constant "corporate Dems" bribed and controlled by billionaires CT.

Dread the next stupid "movement." Blaming Democrats for not stopping war, being complicit, has to start soon and promoting third parties as the only morally pure choice is already happening.

There is very little humanitarian aid or food getting in. Civilians are still getting killed in strikes.

These people were either incredibly naive and ignorant, or they were working on behalf of electing the con artist all along.

presidential candidates can distance themselves from genocide with simple moral clarity.

That’s the lesson here.

I believe Biden made the US complicit in genocide. I also believe he tied Harris' hands regarding Gaza and that may have cost her the election.
I never used the phrase genocide Joe and I did vote for Harris. But "clap harder" is not an effective political strategy.

He was the lone voice trying to end the war on Gaza. He doesn't control US aid to Israel, Congress does. Joe Biden was the loudest voice trying to get Israel to stop, but in the end, he wasn't the President of Israel.

Fault that the Vice President lost?
And what powers did Kamala Harris NOT use?
I suspect you need to ask the same people you get your info from.

Seriously. Biden suspended arms from reaching Israel several times, but in the end had no choice as it's Congress who controls all of our foreign aid spending.

No one did more to try to stop the massacre in Gaza than Joe Biden.

That and the fact that suckers and fools are never in short supply.

And here is your success story ...
Enjoy the next three years. Chumps!

And moments after the election was called, they all vanished.

When Trump came in, he did zero to stop them and gave Israel complete support to "finish the job."
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Joe Biden and then Kamala Harris were the only chance Gaza ever had to survive and too many people here still don't see that.

As if Biden could wave his hand and stop a war another country was waging on a 3rd country. He couldn’t even stop arms to Israel that Congress allocated, although he did manage to delay them several times.

It's a shame you are lumping us all together. Is there a point to alienating progressives?

It won't bring back the 7 million Biden voters Harris lost - I don't mean the minority who switched votes, but the 7 MILLION who sat out the election.

Do you really think they stayed home because a few radicals screamed "Genocide Joe" or "Killer Kamala" at events they probably didn't even see? Or they read my posts and a few others' on DU?

Please. These posts do help to let off steam - I understand that - but they're divisive and counterproductive. And if those 7 million voters realize that not only have democrats not learned anything or changed policy but are actively blaming THEM for Trump - do you think they are coming back??

As for what Joe Biden did or didn't do to stop the atrocities - we are not going to see eye to eye on that, no matter how long I make this post or the facts I lay out before you. I imagine if you were to do the same - though I would love to see your facts around what he did to stop them - I would not change my mind either.

People act like they owe us their votes, they have to be earned.

If memory serves.

Do the right thing, perhaps. Everyone knew what was being done in Gaza was just plain wrong. Even those loudly defending it, I would venture.

btw Trump was not elected by those few overall who switched votes because of Gaza. He was elected because 7 million Biden 2020 voters stayed at home - most because of Gaza. It's what demoralizing the base looks like.

And as long as the scapegoating and denial continue, with no reckoning or accountability - no lessons learned and changes made - do you think they are coming back?

I agreed with their strategy then and in hindsight it's even clearer that they were right.

You didn't agree with their strategy, fine. But don't pretend there was a quick and easy solution. They would have done that if that magical solution was real.

What hindsight? That we lost? that polling in 2024, 25 and 26 shows the majority of the US were against it?
Oh you mean that dump was worse. Tell me, what would Harris have done that would have helped? As has been said on this thread the President really has no power to effect the aid going to Israel so how exactly would Harris have done better with a house and senate controlled by maga? I mean if you are now going to say she could have done something to make this whole thing better then you are saying that Biden could have. If you are saying that Biden did all he could which effectively did nothing then you are not giving a reason for people who objected to this whole thing morally to vote. Which is it?

As I said elsewhere, when you refuse to choose between """the lesser of two evils,""" you end up with the greater evil.

They thought they were punishing Biden/Kamala/Democrats, but they didn't realize they were at the same time doing the bidding of Trump/Netanyahu/Israel.

Dumbasses.

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The official figure was around 48,000 known and recorded deaths under Biden. Not including the 10,000 or so buried under rubble which have now been added to the tally but fall into the period under Trump. Using the same "official" comparison, the death toll is now at 72,000. So Trump added 24,000 but those now include the "missing" under rubble now confirmed dead but killed in the first 15 months.

Coincidentally, the Lancet Global Health journal published a peer-reviewed survey recently that found the death toll in Gaza higher in the first 15 months than reported. The new figure, according to that survey, is more than 75,000 killed in those first 15 months Not even including deaths caused by lack of medical care for pre-existing conditions, the humanitarian blockade, dirty or no water etc etc etc.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/lancet-global-health-gaza-deaths-study-palestinians-9.7098426

80% of Gaza was destroyed in the first 15 months. It was basically a carpet-bombing operation.

None of it should have been allowed to continue.

People don't vote for "evil" (lesser or otherwise). They just don't. Rather, some will hold their nose while others just. can't. It seems 7 million just couldn't.

It begs the question: Why should we have to choose between two "evils"? Why force people to have to make that choice? Is that too much to ask?

You’re in the wrong website for that garbage.

Gaza as we once knew it will never exist again.

The Palestinian people are now doomed to be forever-refugees.

So, yes, what I said is true. And now that same death and destruction is being wrought all over the Middle East right now, with Americans help leading the effort, in a way it most certainly would not have under a Democratic administration.

And """evil""" is a subjective term. There is inevitably going to be someone that thinks any candidate that runs is """evil,""" but fact of the matter is that there is still a choice in an election and if you choose not to stop the person you think is the most evil because you don't want to choose """between the lesser of two evils,""" you are allowing the greater evil to win.

And that is exactly what happened here.

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All it was meant to do is to sow distrust in the democratic party and gaslight voters. That's all it was. And unfortunately, it worked.

Unless you meant those large rallies and campus protests. Those people seem to be busy and haven't shown up so far

...telling them how good it is under TSF, and how much worse things would have been for them under Kamala Harris.

We have another election coming up.

It will require at least a temporary united alliance of moderates and progressives to defeat this regime and defend democracy.

well as independents or Rethugs have to unite to stop this madness while we still can. All we have to do is look around the globe and understand that once we really lose our democracy getting it back is a long hard struggle.

I also think that a lot of the progressive/moderate divide is based on generational issues. That will take care of itself over time. There are no perfect politicians we simply have to choose the best option offered and the only way we can create change is at the ballot box.

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!

There was one posted yesterday from common dreams.

tell us Joe Biden should not be allowed to receive the Catholics Holy Communion because he believes in a women's right to choose.

I see those catholic priests are back on Fox News aligning shit for the right wing. Bishop Bobbie Barron is the latest pedo enabling clergy figure on Fox.

Or to even acknowledge that it’s happening at the very least, which Harris still hasn’t done.

During the campaign she cited Iran as our “greatest adversary”, which they’re not and have never been, and would not rule out an attack on them citing her reluctance to engage in hypotheticals.

Tim Walz said the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute necessity for the United States which is extremely troubling.

I don’t think things would be all that much different on the Gaza situation given these conditions. Of course they’d certainly be much less straight evil and there would be a show of attempting to get ceasefire and all that but what’s the difference if the results are the same? Israel was going to destroy Gaza no matter what anyone said about it. There just wouldn’t be this crazy talk of building resorts and all that on the land.

On Iran, it’s much less likely that a Harris administration would have attacked like this. She would have had real advisers and negotiators in her camp instead of this clown show and would have tried to get an Obama style deal put back in place. Bibi wouldn’t have the Epstein files to hold over her head and she couldn’t be easily bribed by the Saudis.

But we also have to remember that America’s imperialist interests take precedent no matter who’s in charge so who knows for sure?

Everyone complains that the left won’t vote for Democrats but they never give the left any reason to. They’re always too busy trying to collect “disaffected” Republicans instead of people who should be their natural allies. And it’s pretty clear why. Democrats are still capitalists, they still somehow believe that this system can be managed though reform and regulation which it very obviously cannot. Not really.

I, being a practical leftist, voted for Harris for damage reduction. I always vote Democratic for that reason. Unfortunately, we have a binary system so they’re the only game in town if you at least want some bones and scraps thrown your way. Of course I recognized what it meant if these open fascists won. But I understand why others who are just sick of this whole “good cop bad cop” one step forward, two steps back shit we’ve been doing for fifty years and losing ground to the owners all the time wouldn’t.

People want real, meaningful change and only the far right ever delivers on that, much to the detriment of everyone.

If they want votes they have to earn them. Simply not being as bad as the other guys doesn’t cut it with everyone. Give the left a reason to vote for you. Even if it’s just one thing at a time. We have to stop letting the moneyed interests, the tiniest minority in the country, decide everything.

creating and protecting Social Security? You mean like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? You mean like recognition of same sex marriage? And, so much more? The Democratic Party can buy the ingredients, bake the cake, ice it, light the candles, sing Happy Birthday - but, if it fails to buy a card, it's like "What have you done for me lately?"

It helped prolong my Mom's life when she got cancer. It let my Dad die because he couldn't afford insulin. The state he lived in didn't expand medicare to help him, but it didn't help him did it? Dead is dead. You can make the argument that we had to go with a conservative health care process cause that is all we could get passed, and I agree with you to a certain point. The other point is that is let my Dad die for a medicine that cost pennies a month and let the insurance companies charge way to much for it in order to help some other people. It protected the insurance companies way more than it did my Dad it seems. It took until 2022 to address that, far too late for him. A late cake sometimes doesn't really help does it?

Agree 100%. You said pretty much everything I've been thinking.

I thought I had dreamed up that clip with Tim Waltz saying Israel MUST expand. I could not believe it was real. But sadly, it was.

I wish people would really THINK about what this meant. And the rest of your comments.

As I said before, Gaza was always going to end up like this. The dye was cast on October 8th with the first carpet-bombing, and only the willingly blind or complicit would not see it. It appears 7 million voters did see it and the outcome of that should have been realized and course changed before it was too late. That it was not and Trump won as a result is NOT on the voters, protesters or the Palestinian advocates or progressives here or anywhere else.

Biden was the only thing holding Netanyahu back to the extent that he could be held back. Harris would've been way less friendly to him because she didn't have the history with him that Biden did.

Neither of them would've started a war with Iran without concrete provocation, anyone that doesn't know that to be true is lying to themselves.

If Biden were still in office or if Harris had gotten elected, the situation for Palestine would be about as good as it could be short of the US military invading Israel (which is something no one should expect anyone to do). And we would not be at war with Iran. We wouldn't have our federal government ripped to shreds. We wouldn't have fired all the competent people and replaced them with evil, racist, shit bags like Hegseth. ICE wouldn't be terrorizing entire cities and killing people for funsies.

I don't want to hear this shit about "scraps" and "damage reduction". We went from having a stable, normal, fairly well meaning government to teetering on the edge of complete fascism. That isn't "lesser of 2 evils". Thats going from " we are going to be okay" to "okay we are probably completely FUCKED".

This is from March of 2024.

Quoting and explaining what a person actually says and does is somehow offensive and a sneaky plot to deceive because it doesn't conform to ideology.

Apparently, they're the only ones who never have to stand accountable for anything.

Apparently. That makes the virtue signaling performances much easier, I guess.

are identifying themselves in this this thread.

What the Fuck was their AGENDA?

TY!